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Post by sublime92 on Oct 9, 2017 3:57:06 GMT
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Oct 9, 2017 4:12:53 GMT
It just isn't a two-way street, is it?
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Post by tickingmask on Oct 9, 2017 10:34:28 GMT
The owner reserves the right to 86 anybody from his business that he feels like. Does he? There have been several court rulings that suggest otherwise. The laws that now forbid business owners from putting up notices saying "No Blacks, No Irish" presumably extend to notices saying "No Christians", do they not?
But look on the bright side: at least the gay coffee bar owner doesn't own a cake shop and is forced to decorate his cakes with crucifixes and messages like "Gay people are sinners". That would really have sent him over the edge!
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Post by theoncomingstorm on Oct 9, 2017 11:50:58 GMT
"I’d f*ck Christ in the a**. Okay? He’s hot,”
LOFL!
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Oct 9, 2017 12:37:39 GMT
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Post by Isapop on Oct 9, 2017 13:23:09 GMT
I sympathize with the owner's anger. He saw that group (correctly, I expect) as being representative of the people who have been fomenting hatred against him (and all gay people) all his life. In his shoes, I might have reacted the same way.
That said, if those Christians wanted to follow up with a formal legal complaint, the law would be (and should be) on their side (simple religious discrimination). |
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Post by cupcakes on Oct 9, 2017 13:41:11 GMT
tpfkar It just isn't a two-way street, is it? They should file a complaint with the Seattle Office for Civil Rights so it can be sorted out. The owner should have a harder time as anti-abortion activities and anti-gay activities and just trying to buy a wedding cake with a personal message are all very different things on an aggressive personal affront level.
Why do you care, limp-wrist? |
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Post by thefleetsin on Oct 9, 2017 15:06:22 GMT
the owner should have whipped his cock out and added his special cream-latte to their coffees.
christians have done nothing but stir up shit for two thousand years with their mealy mouthed god blabbering.
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Post by drystyx on Oct 9, 2017 15:44:32 GMT
I'm a Christian, but I think the owner should have every right to allow whomever he wants in, and if he doesn't want a Christian's business, well, that's his right.
Got to admit I got a laugh out of fleet's answer (well, his first paragraph). I was wondering if someone would post something like that.
If I own a business, I would not allow persistent felons in, or violent, loud people, or anyone who likes spaghetti westerns. I'd kick a dozen wimpy spaghetti western fans out with my eyes closed. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Oct 9, 2017 16:13:28 GMT
I wish this story would become more interesting then it will likely become.
I don't think this is going to reach wedding cake proportions although the scale of damage is not much greater.
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Post by theoncomingstorm on Oct 9, 2017 16:21:41 GMT
People really need to appreciate the Bryce-level meltdown of this guy.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Oct 9, 2017 16:36:52 GMT
I'm unclear on whether or not these people were openly soliciting - proselytizing - in the coffee shop or just buying, drinking and talking among themselves.
If they were engaging with other customers in the coffee shop, the owner had every right to ask them to leave. It is his private property and he can limit or ban solicitation in his shop that affects his business. (Other customers may leave the shop because of the solicitation and he loses business.)
If they weren't engaging with others, just buying and drinking coffee and talking among themselves... I don't know what the law says, but I have left a restaurant because there was a Christian group in there loudly discussing some religious issue. They weren't engaging with me, but I did not want to sit there and overhear that while I ate. So that restaurant lost my business, but they did a lot of business with that group - their money was just as green as mine.
Would the opinions already posted here change if the religious group had been Muslims?
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Oct 9, 2017 16:40:33 GMT
They were passing out pamphlets outside the location.
The weird thing is that the owner simply reinforced something they already thought - Being gay is only about the sex you have.
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Post by bonerxmas on Oct 9, 2017 16:46:27 GMT
I sympathize with the owner's anger. He saw that group (correctly, I expect) as being representative of the people who have been fomenting hatred against him (and all gay people) all his life. In his shoes, I might have reacted the same way.
That said, if those Christians wanted to follow up with a formal legal complaint, the law would be (and should be) on their side (simple religious discrimination). probably not, this seems to be a political group in addition to being a christian group, public accomodations law does not extend to protecting political groups, they would probably have to prove that he has a record of refusing service to non-christians |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Oct 9, 2017 16:51:35 GMT
I sympathize with the owner's anger. He saw that group (correctly, I expect) as being representative of the people who have been fomenting hatred against him (and all gay people) all his life. In his shoes, I might have reacted the same way.
That said, if those Christians wanted to follow up with a formal legal complaint, the law would be (and should be) on their side (simple religious discrimination). probably not, this seems to be a political group in addition to being a christian group, public accomodations law does not extend to protecting political groups, they would probably have to prove that he has a record of refusing service to non-christians Well, he didn't berate them on the basis of politics.
Heck, they weren't even discussing homosexuality so he went straight tangent.
As I have repeatedly said, I think most business have the basic right to be stupid and refuse to make money. However, if the law says otherwise, the dude should be in trouble for his actions.
I can't imagine most normal people getting so bent out of shape about poor service that they would sue for it unless it's for a grander purpose. Very few small business have stuff that is irreplaceable and Seattle probably has another coffee shop or two out there...
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Post by thefleetsin on Oct 9, 2017 17:13:21 GMT
People really need to appreciate the Bryce-level meltdown of this guy. or appreciate the fact that proselytes prancing around the planet pontificating archaic voodoo practices are about as relevant as selling magic elixir from the back of a donkey cart. |
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Post by Isapop on Oct 9, 2017 17:26:21 GMT
I sympathize with the owner's anger. He saw that group (correctly, I expect) as being representative of the people who have been fomenting hatred against him (and all gay people) all his life. In his shoes, I might have reacted the same way.
That said, if those Christians wanted to follow up with a formal legal complaint, the law would be (and should be) on their side (simple religious discrimination). probably not, this seems to be a political group in addition to being a christian group, public accomodations law does not extend to protecting political groups, they would probably have to prove that he has a record of refusing service to non-christians That's right about political groups having no protection (in most places anyway). But if you look at their brochure (click on the images to read the text) theliberator.news/2017/homosexual-coffee-shop-owner-evicts-peaceful-christians/
...you'll see that it's a purely religious document - no public policy prescriptions or railing against gay rights. It's all about how God feels about things (abortion mainly). The group in the coffee shop would have no trouble proving that they had been engaging in religious, not political, activism.
(And even if the owner had no previous record of religious discrimination, this would be a clear case of his first attempt at it.)
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Post by thefleetsin on Oct 9, 2017 17:28:53 GMT
happy father's gay
daddy's
hoovering over work benches
mulling over
choices
clamping crib siding
into vices.
sjw 10/09/17 inspired at this very moment in time by all the things daddy's do.
from the 'beauty series' of poems
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Post by bonerxmas on Oct 9, 2017 17:30:59 GMT
probably not, this seems to be a political group in addition to being a christian group, public accomodations law does not extend to protecting political groups, they would probably have to prove that he has a record of refusing service to non-christians Well, he didn't berate them on the basis of politics.
most people would say opposition to homosexuality qualifies as a political issue |
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Post by thefleetsin on Oct 9, 2017 17:42:35 GMT
Well, he didn't berate them on the basis of politics.
most people would say opposition to homosexuality qualifies as a political issue of course it does. here in the states we are at present confronting yet another upheaval spurned on by the political religious right among us. a party who sees no issue with rubber stamping their god agenda over anything and everything that moves. weaseling in their anti-gay proposals at every opportunity as if e v e r y o n e is just dying to fall backwards into their pigpen of hearsay and innuendo. the difference today is: we are not to be moved. we are not to be chained. we are not to be drawn by these artists of archaic and barbaric symbolism. you thought the boston tea party was a statement against tyranny? we shall roll up our skirts and send their messages of hate and division straight to the imaginary hell they worship as a gods final nesting place. |
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