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Post by MCDemuth on Oct 9, 2017 17:47:40 GMT
The article seems to leave out the information concerning what this group did, once they were inside...
So, did this owner, honestly never expect any Christians to come into his shop... ever? I don't understand why he didn't put up a sign in his window saying "We don't serve Bible Thumping Christians".
I think the owner was in the wrong for taking an issue with the group if they were just having coffee and keeping to themselves.
But if the group was trying to "convert", the other customers or the owner, himself... then I could side with the owner.
However, the owner didn't have to blow his top like that. That was wrong.
And that bit about his boyfriend, I doubt't anyone, including Non-Christians, would want to see him do that in the dining room while customers were trying to eat. That's a poor argument on his part.
If I were a customer, I would stop doing business with him, immediately.
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Post by nausea on Oct 9, 2017 18:07:40 GMT
there is only 1 God teh God found in the bible.
we dont know what Jesus Christ looked liek exactly we dont know.
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Post by thefleetsin on Oct 9, 2017 18:28:51 GMT
the article also left out the billions of times the religious foist their ridiculous claims of divine intervention when it comes to why their particular house was spared while thousands of homes were obliterated during a natural disaster.
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Post by rizdek on Oct 9, 2017 18:50:16 GMT
Sorry, but I have to wonder if this was staged. I tried to call the coffee shop to ask, but got a recording. Does anyone else know whether this is some sort of fake news story? Seems pretty far fetched that a shop owner would do that. Unlikely that kind of outburst would promote business.
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Post by thefleetsin on Oct 9, 2017 19:18:55 GMT
Sorry, but I have to wonder if this was staged. I tried to call the coffee shop to ask, but got a recording. Does anyone else know whether this is some sort of fake news story? Seems pretty far fetched that a shop owner would do that. Unlikely that kind of outburst would promote business. the coffee shop owner might not do it. but plenty of cash-strapped religious organizations would. there's nothing like a persecution go-fund-me account to spike up the revenue stream. |
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Post by Isapop on Oct 9, 2017 19:23:02 GMT
Sorry, but I have to wonder if this was staged...Seems pretty far fetched that a shop owner would do that. Unlikely that kind of outburst would promote business.That's a good reason to think it wasn't staged. The owner won't playact in some kind of charade that could hurt his business. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Oct 9, 2017 20:03:57 GMT
Well, he didn't berate them on the basis of politics.
most people would say opposition to homosexuality qualifies as a political issue Not when it's done for religious reasons. There is no reason to change a belief regardless of political climate changes. A sin is a sin unless the religion determines it isn't. To get bent out of shape about that is silly.
Now this group may have had some kind of political motivation against the dude's homosexuality, but that is as irrelevant as a political motivation to dismiss religious belief.
At the end of the day, the dude was specifically targeting their beliefs rather than a political message they apparently weren't even presenting, but one rather the owner [stupidly] assumed.
I would like to think that even gay atheists would not want him to boink his boyfriend in front of them and even if that weren't the case, I'm not sure what the political point of that statement was.
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Post by Cinemachinery on Oct 9, 2017 20:57:17 GMT
He's an idiot, and that's illegal. If this story checks out they should be able to slap a suit on him.
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Post by OpiateOfTheMasses on Oct 9, 2017 21:20:21 GMT
Seems a bit fishy to me - I suspect we're not get all the story. (Or the whole thing is fake)
If the Christians were just quietly drinking coffee and talking amongst themselves then how would he have known they were Christians anyway?
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Post by cupcakes on Oct 9, 2017 21:29:56 GMT
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Oct 9, 2017 21:30:49 GMT
Their actions were based on abortion.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Oct 9, 2017 21:32:28 GMT
Seems a bit fishy to me - I suspect we're not get all the story. (Or the whole thing is fake) If the Christians were just quietly drinking coffee and talking amongst themselves then how would he have known they were Christians anyway? They were publically passing out pamphlets regarding abortion. They weren't being secretive, they just wanted some coffee. People are acting like they've never heard of angry gay people before. |
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Post by cupcakes on Oct 9, 2017 21:59:53 GMT
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Post by MCDemuth on Oct 9, 2017 22:39:45 GMT
Without seeing the pamphlet or knowing the manner of their proselytizing I don't know how much was reasonable offense or extrapolation on his part. The part that really needs to be known is: WHEN... did the owner decide to kick the Christians Out of His Coffee Shop? If the Christians were handing out pamphlets to the other customers while they were inside his Coffee Shop, the I would side with his right to ask them to leave... I just wish he kept his anger in check through... If he saw the Christians giving out pamphlets out on the public sidewalk, and decided he didn't want to serve them once they were inside, even though they were keeping their religious beliefs to themselves... then I would side with the customer. Because this seems to me, to be exactly like the 1960s when some business owners still would not serve blacks, even when the laws were enacted saying that business owners could not refuse service to anyone based on just their skin color. It was wrong then, and still wrong now. He should have just said to himself: "They are here, but they are just having coffee and nothing else, and then they will leave soon...Just let it go." Even, if it was such a big issue, why didn't he just ask them to leave a couple of times, and if they still wouldn't go, then call the police? But he didn't do either, so, I'll say it again, I still have to wonder if this owner really thought he would never have to serve "Bible Thumping Christians"... In the end, I too think, that there is a part of the story that we are not being told here, because as another poster put it, Why would any business owner threaten the livelihood of his business by losing his cool like that... |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Oct 9, 2017 22:47:45 GMT
Reasonable offense is all relative. Someone could call me the N-word 30 times in a row and I wouldn't get as upset as the coffee owner did without being told anything. As far as I'm concerned, the dude could have berated them the whole time. Good customer service isn't the law yet and a perfectly acceptable workaround for this is to simply say you don;t want to serve them but the law mandates it. The sticking point is him kicking them out and regardless of the message in the pamphlet, the reason he did so was for their religious views. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Oct 9, 2017 22:51:25 GMT
Without seeing the pamphlet or knowing the manner of their proselytizing I don't know how much was reasonable offense or extrapolation on his part. The part that really needs to be known is: WHEN... did the owner decide to kick the Christians Out of His Coffee Shop? If the Christians were handing out pamphlets to the other customers while they were inside his Coffee Shop, the I would side with his right to ask them to leave... I just wish he kept his anger in check through... If he saw the Christians giving out pamphlets out on the public sidewalk, and decided he didn't want to serve them once they were inside, even though they were keeping their religious beliefs to themselves... then I would side with the customer. Because this seems to me, to be exactly like the 1960s when some business owners still would not serve blacks, even when the laws were enacted saying that business owners could not refuse service to anyone based on just their skin color. It was wrong then, and still wrong now. He should have just said to himself: "They are here, but they are just having coffee and nothing else, and then they will leave soon...Just let it go." Even, if it was such a big issue, why didn't he just ask them to leave a couple of times, and if they still wouldn't go, then call the police? But he didn't do either, so, I'll say it again, I still have to wonder if this owner really thought he would never have to serve "Bible Thumping Christians"... In the end, I too think, that there is a part of the story that we are not being told here, because as another poster put it, Why would any business owner threaten the livelihood of his business by losing his cool like that... People risk losing customers all the time because they think they have a sufficient customer base. There may be more to the story based on the locale. Why did they pick that particular neighborhood, for example. However, if it's a public locale, that's not that big of an issue. I believe someone used to say that if the business is taking advantage of public services than they should serve anyone in that community. There's no reason this dude, regardless of the story outside of physical harm or slander, would think he could pick and choose his customers of a Christian business couldn;t likewise do the same. |
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Post by cupcakes on Oct 10, 2017 2:30:24 GMT
tpfkar Without seeing the pamphlet or knowing the manner of their proselytizing I don't know how much was reasonable offense or extrapolation on his part. The part that really needs to be known is: WHEN... did the owner decide to kick the Christians Out of His Coffee Shop? If the Christians were handing out pamphlets to the other customers while they were inside his Coffee Shop, the I would side with his right to ask them to leave... I just wish he kept his anger in check through... If he saw the Christians giving out pamphlets out on the public sidewalk, and decided he didn't want to serve them once they were inside, even though they were keeping their religious beliefs to themselves... then I would side with the customer. Because this seems to me, to be exactly like the 1960s when some business owners still would not serve blacks, even when the laws were enacted saying that business owners could not refuse service to anyone based on just their skin color. It was wrong then, and still wrong now. He should have just said to himself: "They are here, but they are just having coffee and nothing else, and then they will leave soon...Just let it go." Even, if it was such a big issue, why didn't he just ask them to leave a couple of times, and if they still wouldn't go, then call the police? But he didn't do either, so, I'll say it again, I still have to wonder if this owner really thought he would never have to serve "Bible Thumping Christians"... In the end, I too think, that there is a part of the story that we are not being told here, because as another poster put it, Why would any business owner threaten the livelihood of his business by losing his cool like that... I don't think anybody's required to serve anybody who has been out insulting them by saying they're sodomites or whatever. In any case I really don't think being and doing are near in the same class, and doing some things opens up the door for reactions.
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Post by cupcakes on Oct 10, 2017 2:43:47 GMT
tpfkar Without seeing the pamphlet or knowing the manner of their proselytizing I don't know how much was reasonable offense or extrapolation on his part. Reasonable offense is all relative. Someone could call me the N-word 30 times in a row and I wouldn't get as upset as the coffee owner did without being told anything. As far as I'm concerned, the dude could have berated them the whole time. Good customer service isn't the law yet and a perfectly acceptable workaround for this is to simply say you don;t want to serve them but the law mandates it. The sticking point is him kicking them out and regardless of the message in the pamphlet, the reason he did so was for their religious views. "Religious views" are not carte blanche golden tickets for anything anybody wants to do consequence-free. If a gay couple was handing out pamphlets that said all Christians are scum then a Christian bakery owner shouldn't be sanctioned for throwing them out.
However, this word is no big deal. It took me forever to find it after being chastised for using the h-word. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Oct 10, 2017 11:21:00 GMT
tpfkar Reasonable offense is all relative. Someone could call me the N-word 30 times in a row and I wouldn't get as upset as the coffee owner did without being told anything. As far as I'm concerned, the dude could have berated them the whole time. Good customer service isn't the law yet and a perfectly acceptable workaround for this is to simply say you don;t want to serve them but the law mandates it. The sticking point is him kicking them out and regardless of the message in the pamphlet, the reason he did so was for their religious views. "Religious views" are not carte blanche golden tickets for anything anybody wants to do consequence-free. If a gay couple was handing out pamphlets that said all Christians are scum then a Christian bakery owner shouldn't be sanctioned for throwing them out.
However, this word is no big deal. It took me forever to find it after being chastised for using the h-word.IF they were passing them out in the bakery, I would agree. If they are passing them out on the street as the article seems to suggest, then the owner should act like a businessman and serve those he doesn't agree with. It happens millions of times a day. |
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Post by cupcakes on Oct 10, 2017 11:31:18 GMT
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