|
|
Post by staggerstag on Oct 11, 2017 17:51:39 GMT
Beginning in September 2018, UEFA's new baby is designed to cut down on the number of international friendlies and also play a part in Euro 2020 qualifying.
I think.
UEFA Nations League
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2017 18:01:57 GMT
What dafuq is this?
|
|
|
|
Post by runie on Oct 11, 2017 18:21:22 GMT
UEFA trying to make international friendlies non existent (between the 55 uefa nations anyway)- Domestic clubs will hate it.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2017 18:37:50 GMT
After some of the injuries picked up this week, off the top of my head I think Kante, Mane & Fellaini, I feel like it is only a matter of time before the clubs get together and say "fuck right off, they are our employees, you're not having them any more". Quite frankly, it's kind of an amazing thing that international football still exists.
|
|
|
|
Post by runie on Oct 11, 2017 19:59:34 GMT
It must be so stressful for the managers and this will create more conflict, and more excuses and more faux injuries and potentially larger squads, with high class talent not being utilised at the top clubs, which could actually help the top/money teams out,(weaken the lesser) but still trying to protect their best due to fighting within the small group of clubs with the ability to challenge top league titles and CL football.
I could imagine poch and mourinho pulling there hairs out watching the dead rubber england and belgium games
|
|
|
|
Post by Jep Gambardella on Oct 11, 2017 20:16:52 GMT
After some of the injuries picked up this week, off the top of my head I think Kante, Mane & Fellaini, I feel like it is only a matter of time before the clubs get together and say "fuck right off, they are our employees, you're not having them any more". Quite frankly, it's kind of an amazing thing that international football still exists. I like the idea of this new competition, with the different divisions, promotion and relegation, but as a big fan of international football I too worry about its future. There is a very delicate balance between club and country; FIFA, the continental confederations and the FAs of the world benefit a lot from having access to players without having to pay the huge sums that they would normally command, and in return the top clubs and players get tremendous amount of world-wide exposure. But as you said, if FIFA starts asking for much more, at one point the clubs will surely say "enough is enough" and that will be the end of it. I hope I am dead by then, as I would hate not having the big international competitions to look forward to. Club football doesn't interest me in the least, except for the team that I supported since childhood which plays in a league where any promising player is shipped off to Spain, Italy or England before he turns 20. |
|
|
|
Post by runie on Oct 11, 2017 20:23:48 GMT
After some of the injuries picked up this week, off the top of my head I think Kante, Mane & Fellaini, I feel like it is only a matter of time before the clubs get together and say "fuck right off, they are our employees, you're not having them any more". Quite frankly, it's kind of an amazing thing that international football still exists. I like the idea of this new competition, with the different divisions, promotion and relegation, but as a big fan of international football I too worry about its future. There is a very delicate balance between club and country; FIFA, the continental confederations and the FAs of the world benefit a lot from having access to players without having to pay the huge sums that they would normally command, and in return the top clubs and players get tremendous amount of world-wide exposure. But as you said, if FIFA starts asking for much more, at one point the clubs will surely say "enough is enough" and that will be the end of it. I hope I am dead by then, as I would hate not having the big international competitions to look forward to. Club football doesn't interest me in the least, except for the team that I supported since childhood which plays in a league where any promising player is shipped off to Spain, Italy or England before he turns 20. This is UEFA not FIFA, not disagreeing with what you said, just correcting. Who do you support? - what league? |
|
|
|
Post by Jep Gambardella on Oct 11, 2017 20:41:24 GMT
I like the idea of this new competition, with the different divisions, promotion and relegation, but as a big fan of international football I too worry about its future. There is a very delicate balance between club and country; FIFA, the continental confederations and the FAs of the world benefit a lot from having access to players without having to pay the huge sums that they would normally command, and in return the top clubs and players get tremendous amount of world-wide exposure. But as you said, if FIFA starts asking for much more, at one point the clubs will surely say "enough is enough" and that will be the end of it. I hope I am dead by then, as I would hate not having the big international competitions to look forward to. Club football doesn't interest me in the least, except for the team that I supported since childhood which plays in a league where any promising player is shipped off to Spain, Italy or England before he turns 20. This is UEFA not FIFA, not disagreeing with what you said, just correcting. Who do you support? - what league? The 1983 World Champions. |
|
|
|
Post by runie on Oct 11, 2017 20:51:47 GMT
huh  ? Aberdeen? Gremio? |
|
|
|
Post by Jep Gambardella on Oct 11, 2017 21:01:17 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by runie on Oct 11, 2017 21:03:45 GMT
Cool!
|
|
|
|
Post by mandragora on Oct 11, 2017 21:51:01 GMT
I like the idea of this new competition, with the different divisions, promotion and relegation, but as a big fan of international football I too worry about its future. There is a very delicate balance between club and country; FIFA, the continental confederations and the FAs of the world benefit a lot from having access to players without having to pay the huge sums that they would normally command, and in return the top clubs and players get tremendous amount of world-wide exposure. But as you said, if FIFA starts asking for much more, at one point the clubs will surely say "enough is enough" and that will be the end of it. I hope I am dead by then, as I would hate not having the big international competitions to look forward to. Club football doesn't interest me in the least, except for the team that I supported since childhood which plays in a league where any promising player is shipped off to Spain, Italy or England before he turns 20. I don't think there's a danger of that happening anytime soon, and sentiments that international football should be gone I hear only from some English fans (and the reasons aren't that difficult to figure out). While friendlies and qualifiers are seen as some kind of annoyance by some players, the World Cup is still the biggest stage and every player's biggest dream is to win the World Cup. Pretty sure Messi said that winning the CL doesn't mean as much to him as winning the World Cup would. If a club or a league started to deny players the chance of participating in the World Cup, a lot of players would simply decline to move there, especially those who have a genuine chance of winning the competition, like Brazil, Argentina, France, Spain or Germany. |
|
|
|
Post by runie on Oct 11, 2017 22:05:15 GMT
I am a big England/international fan Mand. Its just the power of the Premier league and pressure on managers that would cause a rift. Its just the reality of it. However the FA would never allow clubs to block players. So the old tactics come out to play from clubs in the league..
But you are right that many English really don't give a crap about England any more.
|
|
|
|
Post by mangekyoalleluia on Oct 11, 2017 22:07:04 GMT
Stupid, pointless competition and UEFA should be ashamed.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2017 22:14:00 GMT
Love international tournaments; I could just do without the pointless friendlies and qualifiers interrupting the season. Play these games mid-week.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2017 22:45:10 GMT
The clubs don't need FIFA, UEFA or the FA or any other national associations in particular. A trained monkey could arrange fixtures, then you hire a team to do marketing, sell TV rights, bring in corporate advertising, sort out disciplinary and other administrative stuff and all the rest of it.
You could actually end up with a situation, a bit like the darts, where all the most powerful clubs get to the end of their tether and form a breakaway group. Then they could even run their own international tournaments, but with a schedule to suit them, so you could end up with 2 world cups (a bit like the darts has 2 world championships with different federations), and the FIFA World Cup would end up being the shit one with non-established players. Sounds unlikely? Maybe. But anything is possible when you have football clubs that are worth billions each not getting their own way.
In fact, there was a threat of something like that happening with the G-14 who ended up representing 100 clubs. They broke up in the end as a condition of UEFA giving into their demands at the time, but nothing really to stop them forming up again to put pressure on UEFA or FIFA to do things their way or the highway. In fact looking it up, it already has been replaced by the European Club Association who represent 220 clubs.
Players in the end, will follow the money and will want to play for the most prestigious clubs and the most prestigious tournaments. The majority of players would rather be testing themselves out against the best, and getting paid more money for doing it.
|
|
|
|
Post by bluerisk on Oct 11, 2017 22:53:43 GMT
I like the idea of this new competition, with the different divisions, promotion and relegation, but as a big fan of international football I too worry about its future. There is a very delicate balance between club and country; FIFA, the continental confederations and the FAs of the world benefit a lot from having access to players without having to pay the huge sums that they would normally command, and in return the top clubs and players get tremendous amount of world-wide exposure. But as you said, if FIFA starts asking for much more, at one point the clubs will surely say "enough is enough" and that will be the end of it. I hope I am dead by then, as I would hate not having the big international competitions to look forward to. Club football doesn't interest me in the least, except for the team that I supported since childhood which plays in a league where any promising player is shipped off to Spain, Italy or England before he turns 20. I don't think there's a danger of that happening anytime soon, and sentiments that international football should be gone I hear only from some English fans (and the reasons aren't that difficult to figure out). While friendlies and qualifiers are seen as some kind of annoyance by some players, the World Cup is still the biggest stage and every player's biggest dream is to win the World Cup. Pretty sure Messi said that winning the CL doesn't mean as much to him as winning the World Cup would. If a club or a league started to deny players the chance of participating in the World Cup, a lot of players would simply decline to move there, especially those who have a genuine chance of winning the competition, like Brazil, Argentina, France, Spain or Germany.Wow, Mandragara: When I was speaking of a European Super league and thus a split from the CL and thus shutting out UEFA, its backlash (banning players from the EC or WC in case of FIFA), and the legal consequences of this backlash , when courts in the US and the EU call FIFA and or UEFA out as what the are: cartels to generate profits, after the clubs sued them for banning the players to ensure the business model of this cartel. And the on-going existence of these cartels won't be tolerated once the courts have made their calls. And the 50+1 rule is just a tiny bit in this puzzle - German top clubs like Dortmund and Bayern do not even need to think about joining this league if they are still chained to this archiac and illegal rule. Now, you admit yourself that many players would at least think twice to remain or join these clubs if they broke away from the FIFA-regulated football to form a European Super League. In the end it is about money and power. And my question was how far and what is UEFA and FIFA willing to risk? The idea of a Super European League is not new, and I just played this idea throught and if the clubs (with certain modification) also remain in their domestic league (and thus also part of the FIFA system - top to bottom all are under the umbrella of FIFA), or did they have to break away completely because FIFA/UEFA bans them. And what consequnces will this ban have if the clubs take legal actions and sue them... This new format is just a new offer/concession to the bigger markets/countries and their federations and clubs...as it was to let the vice champions join the CL, then up to four clubs of the strongest league, and now the increasing circles of major leagues who are allowed to send four teams. On the one hand UEFA (FIFA) has to serve the need of the smaller nations for they have as much voting power as the biggest one. Hence the concession to have a "champions way" in the CL-qualification in order to guarantee the champions of smaller countries some slots. Cape Verde has one vote as does Brazil or the USA, on the other hands they have to reach out for the needs of the capital and thus the big countries with the big markets, companies, and advertising and marketing budgets - simply: where the economic power rests. And both parties struggle to find abalance between the political power of the smaller members (and the corruption through them) and the economic power of the bigger members. The pushing for the European Super League is one leverage against the UEFA to push the agenda of the "economic" branch, and thus change the balance to their favour. And the 50+1 rule is more or less the same struggle: the incompetent vermin like Köln, Freiburg, Hoffenheim and all the other badly mamanged loser, and those who would like to embrace the future but rightly fear the rage of the mob aja the German football "enthusiast". If they don't like the commerce and it is about the true love for the sport - why don't they support their local clubs. Every village has one. I guess not sexy enough, but this attraction comes through the money and the higher stakes. They won't the "true" sport (or what they it is - players who are loyal to their clubs no matter what - albeit they are professionals) and falir (and thus big adn sexy names, but this names (payers) have a certain price tag and attitude towards their club - it's an employer to them). Their demands are contradicting and thus one part is always failing. Stupid bastards.... |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2017 0:21:48 GMT
I've thought they should do something like this, but how I envisage it:
A league of 4 divisions. All teams in a division play each other at least once EVERY YEAR, and this is now a yearly European Championship, with the existing tournament scrapped.
I realize my idea would cause scheduling issues, but perhaps it's timed more for the summer, perhaps the teams use bigger rosters. Maybe it's not held in World Cup years.
Originally, my idea was each team would play each other home and away, for 22 matches in a 12 team division.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2017 5:54:28 GMT
Here's a video from UEFA explaining how the Nations League will count towards qualifying for Euros: www.uefa.com/uefanationsleague/video/videoid=2502798.html#/They really know how to complicate things. So there will be 20 teams qualifying for the Euros the normal route, then one extra team from each of the 4 Nation Leagues qualifying to make 24. If I understand that correctly, then there is an advantage to being in that 4th tier, as you get one automatic spot to the Euros, same as the other tiers but you are playing against the weakest countries in Europe. Could create some interesting situations where teams will actually be TRYING to get themselves relegated to the 4th tier when they know they can't make the play-offs, so that they can play in an easier group next time. Suppose you'd need to run some simulations first, but this seems on the face of it like the worst idea UEFA have EVER come up with! But could also be quite funny. |
|
|
|
Post by runie on Oct 12, 2017 6:58:58 GMT
This is just starting to sink in. Uefa have somehow taken charge of who will be playing who. So teams can not organize their own friendlies v UEFA nations; which i suppose isnt that bad
The concern with losing games on purpose to get into league 'D' would be losing seeding/ranking status for the uefa world cup qualifying groups in between the uefa cup.
Yes its very european this - very 'EU' like should I say - over complex/bureaucratic for the heck of it. Its like people needing to justify their jobs by changing things around all the time.
if they wanted to go this route (sounds harsh) but this way it would guarantee a higher quality tourney - just pick the top 24 teams in league A and B and let the other 31 miss out. - in the future teams will have a chance of getting promoted and relegated for the future
It would create big international games that truly mean something. and we wouldn't need the uefa qualifying as well on the side.. which would cut down international games and domestic clubs would be happier.
the lesser 31 could go into a separate competition and maybe that the winner of that could be elevated into league A which would guarantee qualification to the main finals next round.
Off course we should just go back to the top 16 !! but no - UEFA wants more international games being played and more control on players and more revenue and this is a way to get what they want.
|
|
?
