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Post by mandragora on Oct 12, 2017 7:08:28 GMT
bluerisk I didn't mention with one word a European super league, nor did I say anything about "FIFA or UEFA regulated tournaments" in general. On the contrary. My comment was about international football vs. club football, specifically about the World Cup. And the reason isn't the players wanting money or power (the players don't earn a fortune partaking in the World Cup), but that tournament having the highest stakes (you can win it only once in four years) and the highest prestige (the entire world is watching it). I'm not going to go on about the other issues; we've been going around in circles here, and it's off topic here again. Just one thing. "The badly managed incompetent Hoffenheim and Freiburg"... two of the best managed clubs in the league. And that coming from a Bayern fan, a club that hasn't exactly covered itself with glory in the respect during the past two years in that respect. I'd name other examples than Freiburg and Hoffenheim for poor management, and right now Bayern is not far from the top of that list.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2017 8:02:21 GMT
This is just starting to sink in. Uefa have somehow taken charge of who will be playing who. So teams can not organize their own friendlies v UEFA nations; which i suppose isnt that bad The concern with losing games on purpose to get into league 'D' would be losing seeding/ranking status for the uefa world cup qualifying groups in between the uefa cup. Yes its very european this - very 'EU' like should I say - over complex/bureaucratic for the heck of it. Its like people needing to justify their jobs by changing things around all the time. if they wanted to go this route (sounds harsh) but this way it would guarantee a higher quality tourney - just pick the top 24 teams in league A and B and let the other 31 miss out. - in the future teams will have a chance of getting promoted and relegated for the future It would create big international games that truly mean something. and we wouldn't need the uefa qualifying as well on the side.. which would cut down international games and domestic clubs would be happier. the lesser 31 could go into a separate competition and maybe that the winner of that could be elevated into league A which would guarantee qualification to the main finals next round. Off course we should just go back to the top 16 !! but no - UEFA wants more international games being played and more control on players and more revenue and this is a way to get what they want. I believe, in each of the 4 Nation League divisions, you are split into 4 more sub groups of either 3 or 4 teams. Play each team home and away (so either 4 games or 6 games), winner of each group gets promoted, loser of each group gets relegated. So if the two last placed teams in any of the groups of 4 (or 3) play each other in the final game of the 3rd division, both at rock bottom, I'm not sure if they'll care about losing that one extra game and it costing them a small amount of ranking points if it gets them into the easier 4th tier next time. Might be some very interesting dynamics! |
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Post by MrFurious on Oct 12, 2017 10:06:36 GMT
It makes friendlies meaningful now. Wales must be kicking themselves for missing out on playing against all the big boys. Can't understand Serbia in the third group though.
Hold on. Its just one from each section eg England, Wales, Serbia and Luxemberg? Thats how the groups will work?
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Post by runie on Oct 12, 2017 10:25:15 GMT
This is just starting to sink in. Uefa have somehow taken charge of who will be playing who. So teams can not organize their own friendlies v UEFA nations; which i suppose isnt that bad The concern with losing games on purpose to get into league 'D' would be losing seeding/ranking status for the uefa world cup qualifying groups in between the uefa cup. Yes its very european this - very 'EU' like should I say - over complex/bureaucratic for the heck of it. Its like people needing to justify their jobs by changing things around all the time. if they wanted to go this route (sounds harsh) but this way it would guarantee a higher quality tourney - just pick the top 24 teams in league A and B and let the other 31 miss out. - in the future teams will have a chance of getting promoted and relegated for the future It would create big international games that truly mean something. and we wouldn't need the uefa qualifying as well on the side.. which would cut down international games and domestic clubs would be happier. the lesser 31 could go into a separate competition and maybe that the winner of that could be elevated into league A which would guarantee qualification to the main finals next round. Off course we should just go back to the top 16 !! but no - UEFA wants more international games being played and more control on players and more revenue and this is a way to get what they want. I believe, in each of the 4 Nation League divisions, you are split into 4 more sub groups of either 3 or 4 teams. Play each team home and away (so either 4 games or 6 games), winner of each group gets promoted, loser of each group gets relegated. So if the two last placed teams in any of the groups of 4 (or 3) play each other in the final game of the 3rd division, both at rock bottom, I'm not sure if they'll care about losing that one extra game and it costing them a small amount of ranking points if it gets them into the easier 4th tier next time. Might be some very interesting dynamics! well yeah in that scenario it could be a game that no one wants to win which would be a farce- if these teams are ranked really low any way.(which they would be if we had the lowest ranked league 3 team against a league 4 team) it could end up being one of those tip tap games and everyone just stands there pasing the ball back to each other. Its happened before!! |
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Post by runie on Oct 12, 2017 10:27:30 GMT
however i remember reading only 4 teams get relegated and promoted - if its 4 leagues thats going to be an average of just under 14 teams a league.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2017 11:45:15 GMT
First of all, England haven't been grouped with Germany...yet. England have been placed in League A along with 11 other nations and where they currently rank in 6th..just ahead of Switzerland and in tier 2 of the 12 nations of League A. The highest ranked of the League A is of course Germany (Tier 1 of League A) along with the three other next highest ranked Uefa nations which are Portugal 2nd highest ranked, Belgium 3rd and Spain 4th. Thus meaning none of those sides can face each other in the group stages, but will face one of the tier 2 and tier 3 sides of League A nations home and away in qualifying, so the possibility of England actually being grouped with Germany can happen dependent on the draw in January.
As for the tournament, I like the idea in principle for the lower ranked nations, who no doubt will take the competition probably more seriously than those of League A and B nations as the likes of Belarus, Azerbaijan, Lithuania and Scotland finally have an opportunity to attend a major footballing tournament through this new format rather than European Championships qualifying sections that they obviously have little chance of qualifying from due to having the more established being far too superior.
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Post by bluerisk on Oct 12, 2017 13:50:54 GMT
bluerisk I didn't mention with one word a European super league, nor did I say anything about "FIFA or UEFA regulated tournaments" in general. On the contrary. My comment was about international football vs. club football, specifically about the World Cup. And the reason isn't the players wanting money or power (the players don't earn a fortune partaking in the World Cup), but that tournament having the highest stakes (you can win it only once in four years) and the highest prestige (the entire world is watching it). I'm not going to go on about the other issues; we've been going around in circles here, and it's off topic here again. Just one thing. "The badly managed incompetent Hoffenheim and Freiburg"... two of the best managed clubs in the league. And that coming from a Bayern fan, a club that hasn't exactly covered itself with glory in the respect during the past two years in that respect. I'd name other examples than Freiburg and Hoffenheim for poor management, and right now Bayern is not far from the top of that list. I DID MENTION IT!!! I'm done with talking. |
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Post by mandragora on Oct 12, 2017 13:52:20 GMT
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Post by staggerstag on Jan 23, 2018 14:05:25 GMT
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Post by MrFurious on Jan 24, 2018 11:14:02 GMT
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Post by staggerstag on Jan 24, 2018 14:07:11 GMT
Get it?
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Post by Carl LaFong on Jan 24, 2018 14:10:59 GMT
Sorry for the duplicate thread, Arthur!
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Post by staggerstag on Jan 24, 2018 14:17:08 GMT
Sorry for the duplicate thread, Arthur!
Besides, ye are Revered, I am a mere Senior. I found out about John Barnes, by the way. He was on the Celebrity Big Brother House show. He didn't last long. Apparently he made a veiled homophobic comment. He was voted out by some or other female contestant. While he was in there he performed the rap from World In Motion. I'm glad I do not watch shows like this. That's all. |
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Post by Carl LaFong on Jan 24, 2018 14:18:59 GMT
Sorry for the duplicate thread, Arthur!
Besides, ye are Revered, I am a mere Senior. I found out about John Barnes, by the way. He was on the Celebrity Big Brother House show. He didn't last long. Apparently he made a veiled homophobic comment. He was voted out by some or other female contestant. While he was in there he performed the rap from World In Motion. I'm glad I do not watch shows like this. That's all.Aye, reality TV is bobbins indeed. |
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Post by Carl LaFong on Jan 24, 2018 16:05:05 GMT
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Post by Xcalatë on Jan 24, 2018 16:35:47 GMT
LOL Holland against Ze Germans and Le French? that's gonna Hurt!
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Post by bluerisk on Jan 24, 2018 16:41:16 GMT
LOL Holland against Ze Germans and Le French? that's gonna Hurt! Lucky bastards...I mean: Belgium, Iceland and Switzerland, these are European Juggernauts. It's only five WCs and six ECs if I'm right... |
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Post by staggerstag on Sept 3, 2018 19:12:26 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2018 22:23:42 GMT
Sorry for the duplicate thread, Arthur! Arthur? Not THE J. Arthur?? |
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Post by Carl LaFong on Sept 3, 2018 22:25:29 GMT
Sorry for the duplicate thread, Arthur! Arthur? Not THE J. Arthur?? The Hon. Arthur Wilson (the Sgt. on Dad's Army as played by John Le Mesurier.) He thinks I'm Capt. Mainwaring! |
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