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Post by drspaceman on Oct 17, 2017 18:07:26 GMT
He's talking about your proclamations of their innocence. How can you say they are totally innocent? Evidence points the other way. And more obvious is the fact that amount of evidence cooked up by CBI that doesn't hold any water. 1. Surgical precision - a laugh worthy allegation that came from the 2nd CBI team. Nothing is surgically precise about either of the wounds'. Read the autopsy report. It's amazing how various ignorants are asserting this fact. 2. Golf Club - if you close your eyes and imagine for a moment, it's almost comical. You mean to say Aarushi and Hemraj were found having sex and this guy in a fit of rage went on to bring scalpel(why would he keep it at home?) and a golf club? Wouldn't he hit them with something around or punch the guy? If scalpel and golf club are used it should be called a planned murder , which I'm sure Talwars could plan better. Their injuries are consistent only with that of an unplanned impulsive murder. 3. Change of autopsy report - how can NAD become "prominent dilatation of vagina" after a year? This should scare the living crap out of us. Mind you, this isn't change of opinion, a change of fact. Anybody could be held guilty with tampering of autopsy reports and finger prints. Court should ask for photographs as proofs as to why the facts been changed and have an independent inquiry. All these were questioned by the high court. There are many more like "typographical error". I used to always want to remain an Indian citizen and now I have my doubts. Point 1 and 3 prove incompetence of the police, not innocence of the Talwars. For point 2, there wasn't even any evidence of sexual contact between the servant the girl so again that idea is further proof of incompetence. The police could be incompetent and the parents could be the killers at the same time. I could pose similar questions to you to throw doubt on the parents. Why did the mother allow so many people into their daughter's bedroom to look at her defiled corpse? Was she in a state of shock or was it a ploy to destroy evidence? Why didn't the father open the terrace door even when they thought they saw blood leading upstairs? Why did they clean up so quickly? |
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Post by Kal_1993 on Oct 17, 2017 18:41:07 GMT
Evidence points the other way. And more obvious is the fact that amount of evidence cooked up by CBI that doesn't hold any water. 1. Surgical precision - a laugh worthy allegation that came from the 2nd CBI team. Nothing is surgically precise about either of the wounds'. Read the autopsy report. It's amazing how various ignorants are asserting this fact. 2. Golf Club - if you close your eyes and imagine for a moment, it's almost comical. You mean to say Aarushi and Hemraj were found having sex and this guy in a fit of rage went on to bring scalpel(why would he keep it at home?) and a golf club? Wouldn't he hit them with something around or punch the guy? If scalpel and golf club are used it should be called a planned murder , which I'm sure Talwars could plan better. Their injuries are consistent only with that of an unplanned impulsive murder. 3. Change of autopsy report - how can NAD become "prominent dilatation of vagina" after a year? This should scare the living crap out of us. Mind you, this isn't change of opinion, a change of fact. Anybody could be held guilty with tampering of autopsy reports and finger prints. Court should ask for photographs as proofs as to why the facts been changed and have an independent inquiry. All these were questioned by the high court. There are many more like "typographical error". I used to always want to remain an Indian citizen and now I have my doubts.
. Have you forgotten innocence until proven guilty? These are the things that are used by court to convict Talwars. How can you say it got nothing to do with parents' innocence? Its not incompetence, its deliberate cooking up of evidence. For point 2, there wasn't even any evidence of sexual contact between the servant the girl so again that idea is further proof of incompetence.
The police could be incompetent and the parents could be the killers at the same time.
If you want to use police incompetence as an excuse to caste aspersions, well it could be anyone in entire Delhi. It could even be you or me. Because of incompetence of cops they must have missed something, so every human is under the realm of possibility? What kind of argument is that? Point here is if there is no evidence, don't convict anyone. Let it remain a mystery. Don't Try to nail someone just for the sake of it. I could pose similar questions to you to throw doubt on the parents. Why did the mother allow so many people into their daughter's bedroom to look at her defiled corpse? Was she in a state of shock or was it a ploy to destroy evidence? Why didn't the father open the terrace door even when they thought they saw blood leading upstairs? Why did they clean up so quickly?They cleaned in the presence of police after getting permission. Opening terrace door is not father's job. Its the job of police. He didn't find the keys and hence he didnt open the door. And by the way, police told Rajesh that the killer must have gone up the stairs, couldn't the lock and escaped via another route. Police were not insistent enough as opposed to what they said later on. How is it parents' job to secure crime scene? Don't you think they would have destroyed corpse of Hemraj elsewhere before calling the police to shift the blame on a "servant ran away", which is more believable? No clear account of what happened on that day, especially with psychological states of people in the home. |
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Post by drspaceman on Oct 17, 2017 22:02:33 GMT
Point 1 and 3 prove incompetence of the police, not innocence of the Talwars. Have you forgotten innocence until proven guilty? These are the things that are used by court to convict Talwars. How can you say it got nothing to do with parents' innocence? Its not incompetence, its deliberate cooking up of evidence. For point 2, there wasn't even any evidence of sexual contact between the servant the girl so again that idea is further proof of incompetence.
The police could be incompetent and the parents could be the killers at the same time.
If you want to use police incompetence as an excuse to caste aspersions, well it could be anyone in entire Delhi. It could even be you or me. Because of incompetence of cops they must have missed something, so every human is under the realm of possibility? What kind of argument is that? Point here is if there is no evidence, don't convict anyone. Let it remain a mystery. Don't Try to nail someone just for the sake of it. I could pose similar questions to you to throw doubt on the parents. Why did the mother allow so many people into their daughter's bedroom to look at her defiled corpse? Was she in a state of shock or was it a ploy to destroy evidence? Why didn't the father open the terrace door even when they thought they saw blood leading upstairs? Why did they clean up so quickly?They cleaned in the presence of police after getting permission. Opening terrace door is not father's job. Its the job of police. He didn't find the keys and hence he didnt open the door. And by the way, police told Rajesh that the killer must have gone up the stairs, couldn't the lock and escaped via another route. Police were not insistent enough as opposed to what they said later on. How is it parents' job to secure crime scene? Don't you think they would have destroyed corpse of Hemraj elsewhere before calling the police to shift the blame on a "servant ran away", which is more believable? No clear account of what happened on that day, especially with psychological states of people in the home. Nobody is saying that they're guilty. But doubt will always exist with the case. It's for the system to assume innocence until guilt is proven. For us, we can keep the doubt. |
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Post by Kal_1993 on Oct 17, 2017 22:47:13 GMT
Nobody is saying that they're guilty. But doubt will always exist with the case. It's for the system to assume innocence until guilt is proven. For us, we can keep the doubt. Why restrict the doubt to parents? Like I said with that logic it could be anyone who was never suspected. |
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Post by nicermog on Oct 18, 2017 0:39:50 GMT
geez guys, go watch mindhunter or something instead.
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Post by drspaceman on Oct 18, 2017 1:55:18 GMT
Nobody is saying that they're guilty. But doubt will always exist with the case. It's for the system to assume innocence until guilt is proven. For us, we can keep the doubt. Why restrict the doubt to parents? Like I said with that logic it could be anyone who was never suspected. Sure. Everyone who could have gotten into that house should be doubted. |
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Post by Kal_1993 on Oct 18, 2017 7:36:38 GMT
Why restrict the doubt to parents? Like I said with that logic it could be anyone who was never suspected. Sure. Everyone who could have gotten into that house should be doubted. From a legal point of view EVERYONE of them is INNOCENT. Anything else is miscarriage of justice. |
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Post by themanwithnoshame on Oct 18, 2017 8:35:11 GMT
From a legal point, Shashi Tharoor will also be proved innocent.
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Post by Kal_1993 on Oct 18, 2017 10:43:37 GMT
From a legal point, Shashi Tharoor will also be proved innocent. Except I never talked about Sashi Tharoor from a legal point of view. How can an innocent man be proved innocent? |
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Post by drspaceman on Oct 19, 2017 12:01:13 GMT
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Post by themanwithnoshame on Oct 19, 2017 12:02:39 GMT
"Except I never talked about Sashi Tharoor from a legal point of view."
Why? Cause you are a hypocrite?
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Post by Kal_1993 on Oct 26, 2017 7:21:21 GMT
"Except I never talked about Sashi Tharoor from a legal point of view." Why? Cause you are a hypocrite? Why can't you get the Difference between debate within a legal framework and random rants? |
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Post by themanwithnoshame on Oct 26, 2017 7:46:50 GMT
"Except I never talked about Sashi Tharoor from a legal point of view." Why? Cause you are a hypocrite? Why can't you get the Difference between debate within a legal framework and random rants? Maybe your "logical debates within legal framework" seem like random rants to me. |
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