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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 13, 2017 21:46:31 GMT
Marvel movies are not kiddie comedies, they have deeper meanings than you'd realise. only the most shallow will find that deep. And btw, the raccoon turd always floats at the shallow end of the kiddy pool. I'm sorry you dislike naturalistic dialog and beautiful stuff like Drax's monologue on the nature of beauty in favor of garbage like "Love will save the world".
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 13, 2017 21:48:04 GMT
So are Deadpool, New Mutants and Logan. Show me the Logan out of the box movies, with real R-rated stakes and dark elements and original storytelling. Where are they in the MCU? I never saw one. You can love your junk food but do not insult other's intelligence by claiming it is haute cuisine. There were no stakes in Logan, it was obvious from the beginning they were going to kill him and Xavier and have X-23 get away. And there was nothing original about the story either, it's the same old we've been getting since 2000. It being Jackman's swan song and Logan being allowed to cut people simply made audiences blind to this.
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 13, 2017 21:49:50 GMT
We discuss that Fox-Men dares to do different, original and adult things No they don't. When? There's Japanese Manga, but nothing in the FoX-Men movies is comparable to that stuff.
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Post by Skaathar on Oct 13, 2017 21:52:24 GMT
Sure... let's thank Fox for giving us about 5-6 good films out of a total 15 films, where the rest of those movies were garbage. Let's thank fox for butchering every superhero character they laid hands on that wasn't part of their top 5: Wolverine Prof. X Magneto Deadpool Stryker So basically you see a lot of positives with the FoX-Men films and especially liked those five characters and hope to see more of them in the future. Innit? Which "5-6" did you enjoy? Yes I saw a lot of positives... that were still outweighed by the negatives. Which gives Fox a failing score. I don't "like" those 5 characters. Maybe I do, maybe I don't. My point was they were the only characters that weren't completely butchered.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 13, 2017 22:37:37 GMT
So basically you see a lot of positives with the FoX-Men films and especially liked those five characters and hope to see more of them in the future. Innit? Which "5-6" did you enjoy? Yes I saw a lot of positives... that were still outweighed by the negatives. Which gives Fox a failing score. I don't "like" those 5 characters. Maybe I do, maybe I don't. My point was they were the only characters that weren't completely butchered. I know. I was just being an asshat. Seriously, though: which X-movies did you like?
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Post by Skaathar on Oct 13, 2017 23:35:19 GMT
Yes I saw a lot of positives... that were still outweighed by the negatives. Which gives Fox a failing score. I don't "like" those 5 characters. Maybe I do, maybe I don't. My point was they were the only characters that weren't completely butchered. I know. I was just being an asshat. Seriously, though: which X-movies did you like? lol. Sorry, hard to tell on forums like these. I liked X2, First Class, DofP, Deadpool, Logan. I could give The Wolverine a pass too. Everything else ranged from meh (X1) to horrible (latest F4).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2017 23:57:04 GMT
I find it rather comical how MAD the Marveltard Community gets when movies/trailers that break out of the Marvel Formula get some traction online. They go into panic-mode and IMMEDIATELY start underplaying it, like, "Psh. Logan wasn't THAT good guys... Come on." What are you getting out of this? You can't be getting any real satisfaction out of bugging people online, because you can't actually see how they're really reacting. So basically, you're wasting everyone's time and yours'.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2017 0:21:01 GMT
I find it rather comical how MAD the Marveltard Community gets when movies/trailers that break out of the Marvel Formula get some traction online. They go into panic-mode and IMMEDIATELY start underplaying it, like, "Psh. Logan wasn't THAT good guys... Come on." What are you getting out of this? You can't be getting any real satisfaction out of bugging people online, because you can't actually see how they're really reacting. So basically, you're wasting everyone's time and yours'. I can see how you're reacting. Lots of tears and smashing your fingers on your keyboard.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2017 0:22:11 GMT
They are 100% kiddie comedies, and Ant-Man stunk to high heaven. First movie I've seriously considered walking out of. No, movies like Alvin & The Chipmunks are kiddie comedies, Ant-MN and GotG are action/adventure films with a sci-fi twist. They incorporate no more or less humor into their stories than the majority of other action/adventure films in the genre. But if having a few jokes qualify them as comedies, I suppose Austin Powers and Zoolander can qualify as dramas as they carry at least one or two parts that aren't totally comical in nature. Austin Powers and Zoolander were actually funny. Ant-Man just STUNK.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2017 0:25:01 GMT
Deadpool Logan The New Mutants They would NEVER try original concepts like these. They don't have the testicular fortitude to step outside their little kid-friendly box. Plus, they're also killing it with their X-Men films by doing something unique with each one. Disney will NEVER get the X-Men back, and thank the Good Lord Above for that. Deadpool's only claim to fame is blood and sex. Logan's only claim to fame is it being Jackman's swan song. The New Mutants has nothing going for it. What exactly is the MCU missing out on? These films offer little new to the game. X-Men will never embrace its true fantastic nature, thanks to FOX's backwards and obsolete methods. And that's a shame. Thank you for proving me right that you Marveltards have to make excuses when non-MCU-formulaic films get praise. I dunno what it is, but it makes your butt sting just so hard.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2017 0:26:05 GMT
Disney has no dick. They would NEVER try creative and cool stuff like this. Everything they make needs to be for little children. But I'm glad you enjoy their kiddie movies! To each his own! But there wasn't anything creative about DP or Logan. Classic Marveltard downplay. Fitting the stereotype (of a moron who can only handle kiddie movies) perfectly.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2017 0:28:30 GMT
What are you getting out of this? You can't be getting any real satisfaction out of bugging people online, because you can't actually see how they're really reacting. So basically, you're wasting everyone's time and yours'. I can see how you're reacting. Lots of tears and smashing your fingers on your keyboard. Actually, I'm wearing a half-smirk and shaking my head at the sheer futility of your... "contributions."
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2017 0:30:12 GMT
I can see how you're reacting. Lots of tears and smashing your fingers on your keyboard. Actually, I'm wearing a half-smirk and shaking my head at the sheer futility of your... "contributions." You're crying and smashing your keyboard and you're not convincing anyone that you're doing otherwise. We all know your game, SadRaptor.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2017 0:33:58 GMT
Actually, I'm wearing a half-smirk and shaking my head at the sheer futility of your... "contributions." You're crying and smashing your keyboard and you're not convincing anyone that you're doing otherwise. We all know your game, SadRaptor. I find it comforting you don't know me that well.
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 14, 2017 0:56:49 GMT
But there wasn't anything creative about DP or Logan. Classic Marveltard downplay. Fitting the stereotype (of a moron who can only handle kiddie movies) perfectly. Nope, I just don't think that having blood and gore somehow made Logan all that "epoch-making".
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 14, 2017 0:58:16 GMT
Deadpool's only claim to fame is blood and sex. Logan's only claim to fame is it being Jackman's swan song. The New Mutants has nothing going for it. What exactly is the MCU missing out on? These films offer little new to the game. X-Men will never embrace its true fantastic nature, thanks to FOX's backwards and obsolete methods. And that's a shame. Thank you for proving me right that you Marveltards have to make excuses when non-MCU-formulaic films get praise. I dunno what it is, but it makes your butt sting just so hard. I'm just pointing out that you don't have much of a leg to stand on.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Oct 14, 2017 4:00:30 GMT
No, movies like Alvin & The Chipmunks are kiddie comedies, Ant-MN and GotG are action/adventure films with a sci-fi twist. They incorporate no more or less humor into their stories than the majority of other action/adventure films in the genre. But if having a few jokes qualify them as comedies, I suppose Austin Powers and Zoolander can qualify as dramas as they carry at least one or two parts that aren't totally comical in nature. Austin Powers and Zoolander were actually funny. Ant-Man just STUNK. Missed my point entirely.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2017 4:03:09 GMT
But there wasn't anything creative about DP or Logan. Classic Marveltard downplay. Fitting the stereotype (of a moron who can only handle kiddie movies) perfectly. Hey, Dennis, the MCU and DCEU boards are getting a couple of mods, Iron Panther and Scabab. Enjoy being able to troll while you still can. Scabab was vowed to make sure your nonsense comes to to an end.
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Post by charzhino on Oct 14, 2017 9:35:14 GMT
Well, what is a risk to you then? Because the idea of a talking raccoon and walking tree that only says 3 words, and a guy who can shrink to the size of an ant sounds silly on paper, and no studio was ever going to make those movies. Therefore Marvel rolled the dice on those characters, and it paid off. Humor just adds the realism to those films because they are self aware that these are silly concepts. Or do you want dark and humorless Ant-Man and Guardians of the Galaxy movies? Gotg and Antman were risks but not as risky as people on here would like you to think. At the point of GotG and certainly Antman, Marvel had produced by their standard several solid films which general audiences all loved so when they produce a new film that same audience will no doubt go because they know they are almost guaranteed a good experience. Its simple brand loyalty satisfaction. Marvel could have taken any obscure character they wanted and it would have been a success if they copied the template to previous films. But with GOTG they were clever in that they turned the silly idea on paper of a talking racoon and tree and made them the cute adorable creatures that can be marketed to children which would bring in the rest of the family for maximum ticket sales. And theres nothing wrong with that before you jump in. The humour and tone is important because its modelled the same in almost every Marvel film as their trademark which is why I think any MCU film that deviates from this (Winter Soldier, Cap 1, Civil War to an extent) are more risky films than Gotg and Ant Man. If they take a serious approach to Black Panther and go all out on story, themes and subtext - and that can include comedy but not plastered every 10 minutes and during serious moment's, that would be a risk.
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Post by charzhino on Oct 14, 2017 9:55:25 GMT
Show me the Logan out of the box movies, with real R-rated stakes and dark elements and original storytelling. Where are they in the MCU? I never saw one. You can love your junk food but do not insult other's intelligence by claiming it is haute cuisine. There were no stakes in Logan, it was obvious from the beginning they were going to kill him and Xavier and have X-23 get away. And there was nothing original about the story either, it's the same old we've been getting since 2000. It being Jackman's swan song and Logan being allowed to cut people simply made audiences blind to this. Ironman 3 should have been like Logan with all the personal problems he was facing. But it was watered down because they were afraid it would be too heavy.
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