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Post by steven18 on Mar 3, 2017 17:08:57 GMT
but then become more metaphorical. I never noticed the symbolism in Platoon on first few viewings. I watched it again the other night and it's filled with it, blatantly obvious but never detracting from the realism of the film. In one scene a soldier is in a recently abandoned enemy camp and finds a box filled with plans. He tried to take it and just as he does so he sets off a trap and both his arms are instantly blown off, and he stumbles for a few moments before dying almost instantly. This idea is everywhere in the film, plans turn to chaos, the old image of the heroic soldier becomes a sort of powerless figure blindly stumbling between life and death. Time and time again characters are rendered powerless and die, until there are no more lines and plans and it finally becomes a chaotic firestorm. Apocalypse Now too goes for symbolism and metaphor, but seems less realistic, but then I wouldn't know, as I know nothing about Vietnam save a few things I've read.
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Post by Reynard on Mar 3, 2017 18:16:49 GMT
Full Metal Jacket is an interesting mix of metaphors and symbolism combined with detailed historical research. FMJ never feels 100% realistic but I think it is Kubrick's most normal, Hollywood-like movie since Spartacus or Lolita.
Ingmar Bergman's earlier movies like Wild Strawberries (1957) and The Virgin Spring (1960) have a lot going on beneath their rather straight up drama surface. His later work like Persona (1966) and Hour of the Wolf (1968) are more openly experimental and symbolic.
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Post by steven18 on Mar 3, 2017 18:41:17 GMT
Full Metal Jacket is an interesting mix of metaphors and symbolism combined with detailed historical research. FMJ never feels 100% realistic but I think it is Kubrick's most normal, Hollywood-like movie since Spartacus or Lolita. Ingmar Bergman's earlier movies like Wild Strawberries (1957) and The Virgin Spring (1960) have a lot going on beneath their rather straight up drama surface. His later work like Persona (1966) and Hour of the Wolf (1968) are more openly experimental and symbolic. Care to elaborate? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2017 18:44:45 GMT
I am not in a right state of mind and my thoughts are always fucked up. But i will try to make a point that realism has to be juxtaposed with metaphysical metaphorism just to make it more palatable to the average audience
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Post by steven18 on Mar 3, 2017 18:52:05 GMT
I am not in a right state of mind and my thoughts are always fucked up. But i will try to make a point that realism has to be juxtaposed with metaphysical metaphorism just to make it more palatable to the average audience That's right, you fight the power man! |
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Post by Reynard on Mar 3, 2017 19:12:44 GMT
Full Metal Jacket is an interesting mix of metaphors and symbolism combined with detailed historical research. FMJ never feels 100% realistic but I think it is Kubrick's most normal, Hollywood-like movie since Spartacus or Lolita. Ingmar Bergman's earlier movies like Wild Strawberries (1957) and The Virgin Spring (1960) have a lot going on beneath their rather straight up drama surface. His later work like Persona (1966) and Hour of the Wolf (1968) are more openly experimental and symbolic. Care to elaborate? Elaborate on what? Full Metal Jacket's themes? Bergman's? His career? Explaining these movies would be quite a job and it's not something that one should do anyway. The whole point of using metaphors, symbolism etc is to let the audience discover its themes and ideas themselves. Explaining a piece of art would reduce it to a schoolbook that's simply ought to be learned. The essence of dramatic form is to let an idea come over people without it being plainly stated. When you say something directly, it's simply not as potent as it is when you allow people to discover it for themselves. |
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Post by steven18 on Mar 3, 2017 19:33:21 GMT
Elaborate on what? Full Metal Jacket's themes? Bergman's? His career? Explaining these movies would be quite a job and it's not something that one should do anyway. The whole point of using metaphors, symbolism etc is to let the audience discover its themes and ideas themselves. Explaining a piece of art would reduce it to a schoolbook that's simply ought to be learned. The essence of dramatic form is to let an idea come over people without it being plainly stated. When you say something directly, it's simply not as potent as it is when you allow people to discover it for themselves. it's sometimes fun to write about what you see in a film? no one needs to read it after all. could just be one thing u noticed. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2017 19:52:01 GMT
I am not in a right state of mind and my thoughts are always fucked up. But i will try to make a point that realism has to be juxtaposed with metaphysical metaphorism just to make it more palatable to the average audience Trademarked your ID? Not very Tyler Durdenistic... |
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