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Post by audiosane on Oct 17, 2017 19:10:19 GMT
Fuck assimilation. This is America. Let people be true to themselves. That's what freedom... is all about. Also, this part right here is pure lunacy. A lot of the people coming to America come from socialist states and they actually think socialism is a good thing. Should we encourage them to "be true to themselves" and plot against our system of capitalism? A lot of the people coming to America come from theocratic Muslim societies. Should we encourage them to "be true to themselves" and plot against our system of secular democracy? A lot of the people coming to America come from societies where the legal system is completely corrupt. Should we encourage them to "be true to themselves" and try to bribe their way through legal system at the expense of justice for other citizens? The distinguishing line that you don't seem to fathom is the difference between culture and nationalism. You can live as a Jew in America, you can worship on the Sabbath, you can wave the star of David around and you can speak Hebrew in your personal life. Hell, we'll even accommodate you in most cases and let you leave work early on a Friday. But what you can't do is be a Jew and come to America with the intent of setting up Judaism as law or expect business in the private or public sectors to be conducted in Hebrew. Capitalism. English. Republic. Rule of Law. You don't like these things, you don't really want to be an American, so why are you here? LOL, calm down. I'm talking about Americans celebrating their culture and speaking whatever languages they want, not radically changing our laws to fit where they came from. Remove your tin foil hat. It's starting to pick up Fox News.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2017 19:20:33 GMT
You blame an entire organization for the disruptive behavior of a handful of people, and then you place it in the same category as neo-Nazi cults. You're changing your argument. Before, you criticized Hispanics for speaking Spanish and proudly waving their flags. Now you say it's them wanting America to change it's official language. They're not the same thing. You're not identifying problems. You're creating ones where they don't exist. Careful, your hyperbole (or perhaps ignorance) is showing. "Handful of people?" "Disruptive?" It was the entire crowd chanting "death to cops." I can link to a couple dozen videos/news stories of BLM breaking the law if you'd like. And whereas neo-Nazis are more radical, yes, BLM was lumped by me into the same category of "militant." If you had decent reading comprehension skills, you'd take what I said at face value: both groups are militant. I didn't say they were morally-equivalent. You read that part into it, but it was never there. Typical liberal bullshit. Without hyperbole and strawmen, you folks wouldn't have much to say. Changing my argument? The hell I am! I would think you'd understand what I meant with the congruence of "speaking Spanish" AND "waving their flags," i.e., the anti-American assholes who want to tear down American flags and raise up Mexican flags in their place. That last sentence is both literal and metaphorical. Why in the blue fuck would I have a problem with people speaking other languages on their own time?!? Certainly you couldn't be so stupid as to think that! Certainly you must be grasping the straw of misdirection! For fuck sake man, I was an English major. That means I studied a secondary language from 8th grade to 12th grade and was forced to take four semesters of a secondary language in college. Two of those years in high school, I wanted to test out my French skills. The other three years plus the four semesters I took in college? Fucking SPANISH! Es verdad, mi amigo verde. Please explain how I have created problems. This should be good. Let me know how my criticism of militant groups among any and all races on a fucking no-man's land site like this one is "creating problems." I'll warm up my bullshit detector while you get started.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2017 19:49:47 GMT
LOL, calm down. I'm talking about Americans celebrating their culture and speaking whatever languages they want, not radically changing our laws to fit where they came from. Remove your tin foil hat. It's starting to pick up Fox News. I have no problem with people speaking Klingon or any other damn language in their personal lives. You completely misunderstood my original post. Calm down? You pretty much called me a racist. Perhaps you should calm down. Next time you decide to go on the attack (when the person you are attacking didn't seek your advice, mind you), maybe you should lead by asking some clarifying questions. Like, for instance, "Hey winterssuicide, am I reading this right? You don't think Mexican Americans should be able to speak Spanish at home if they want? You think that makes them militant?" And then I would have had the opportunity to say, "Oh, no, my little liberal green friend, as a matter of fact, I speak Spanish in my personal life. No no, what I meant was: a.) "press 1 for English", b.) Mexican American students tearing down the American flag and hoisting a Mexican flag in its place, c.) attempts to replace English in certain schools with Spanish, d.) pro-Mexican fanaticism in conjuction with anti-American fanaticism, etc., are examples of what I consider to be dark and misguided paths that many young Americans are taking with fool liberals like you cheering them on. My point was that they should not be encouraged to be radicals like this. It will only cause them harm eventually. Also, I don't watch Fox News. I gave up on "the news" in general because there is no longer any integrity in it. They should change the word from "news" to "information." All the media does on both sides these days is help churn out race baiters like you.
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Post by audiosane on Oct 19, 2017 22:53:05 GMT
You blame an entire organization for the disruptive behavior of a handful of people, and then you place it in the same category as neo-Nazi cults. You're changing your argument. Before, you criticized Hispanics for speaking Spanish and proudly waving their flags. Now you say it's them wanting America to change it's official language. They're not the same thing. You're not identifying problems. You're creating ones where they don't exist. Careful, your hyperbole (or perhaps ignorance) is showing. "Handful of people?" "Disruptive?" It was the entire crowd chanting "death to cops." I can link to a couple dozen videos/news stories of BLM breaking the law if you'd like. And whereas neo-Nazis are more radical, yes, BLM was lumped by me into the same category of "militant." If you had decent reading comprehension skills, you'd take what I said at face value: both groups are militant. I didn't say they were morally-equivalent. You read that part into it, but it was never there. Typical liberal bullshit. Without hyperbole and strawmen, you folks wouldn't have much to say. Changing my argument? The hell I am! I would think you'd understand what I meant with the congruence of "speaking Spanish" AND "waving their flags," i.e., the anti-American assholes who want to tear down American flags and raise up Mexican flags in their place. That last sentence is both literal and metaphorical. Why in the blue fuck would I have a problem with people speaking other languages on their own time?!? Certainly you couldn't be so stupid as to think that! Certainly you must be grasping the straw of misdirection! For fuck sake man, I was an English major. That means I studied a secondary language from 8th grade to 12th grade and was forced to take four semesters of a secondary language in college. Two of those years in high school, I wanted to test out my French skills. The other three years plus the four semesters I took in college? Fucking SPANISH! Es verdad, mi amigo verde. Please explain how I have created problems. This should be good. Let me know how my criticism of militant groups among any and all races on a fucking no-man's land site like this one is "creating problems." I'll warm up my bullshit detector while you get started. Okay, I actually bothered to look this up on Snopes.com this time. Here's the link: Black Lives Matter Protesters Chant for Dead Cops Now in Baton RougeBasically, the chant was made by a small group unaffiliated with BLM back in December, 2014 and was commonly used around July 2016 when we had those two cop shootings. It would be absurd to paint an entire organization for the actions of a relatively small, unrelated group. Most people who make this argument are just trying to discredit BLM, just like those who respond to #BlackLivesMatter with #AllLivesMatter or #BlueLivesMatter. You don't lump two radically different groups together without trying to make some sort of comparison. That's why they're in the same group, in this case, "militant". Your argument that the chants of an unrelated group used to broadly paint BLM so that you can label it militant and, thus, discredit it, doesn't hold water. No. I didn't understand what you meant about Mexican Americans and their flags because I don't jump to the ridiculous conclusion that people celebrating their culture and speaking their native language are "anti-American assholes". You need help if that's your reaction. These people are just as American as you and me. Calm down. I used to think you were fairly rational, but I guess I was wrong. You being an English major is irrelevant to the conversation. You had a problem with Mexican Americans waving their flags and speaking Spanish. That's on you, dude. LMAO. Wow... I'm sorry learning Spanish in school traumatized you, hahaha... Jesus Christ... You created problems where there were none by finding nonsense reasons to bitch about BLM and Mexican Americans. I don't care that you complained on this site.
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Post by audiosane on Oct 19, 2017 23:21:08 GMT
LOL, calm down. I'm talking about Americans celebrating their culture and speaking whatever languages they want, not radically changing our laws to fit where they came from. Remove your tin foil hat. It's starting to pick up Fox News. I have no problem with people speaking Klingon or any other damn language in their personal lives. You completely misunderstood my original post. Calm down? You pretty much called me a racist. Perhaps you should calm down. Next time you decide to go on the attack (when the person you are attacking didn't seek your advice, mind you), maybe you should lead by asking some clarifying questions. Like, for instance, "Hey winterssuicide, am I reading this right? You don't think Mexican Americans should be able to speak Spanish at home if they want? You think that makes them militant?" And then I would have had the opportunity to say, "Oh, no, my little liberal green friend, as a matter of fact, I speak Spanish in my personal life. No no, what I meant was: a.) "press 1 for English", b.) Mexican American students tearing down the American flag and hoisting a Mexican flag in its place, c.) attempts to replace English in certain schools with Spanish, d.) pro-Mexican fanaticism in conjuction with anti-American fanaticism, etc., are examples of what I consider to be dark and misguided paths that many young Americans are taking with fool liberals like you cheering them on. My point was that they should not be encouraged to be radicals like this. It will only cause them harm eventually. Also, I don't watch Fox News. I gave up on "the news" in general because there is no longer any integrity in it. They should change the word from "news" to "information." All the media does on both sides these days is help churn out race baiters like you. Talk straight. I don't speak "Faux News". If you tell me you have a problem with Mexican Americans waving their flags and speaking Spanish, that's what I'm going to believe about you. Hahaha. Yeah, I'm the one freaking out... o<|8o)~ No, I'm not calling you a racist, but I do believe your arguments are ridiculous. LOL. Awww, did I hurt your precious feelings? You're awfully defensive for someone who's calm. Look. You posted in a public forum. I saw something I thought was absurd. Thus, I responded. I don't need to wait for you to "seek my advice". Plus, I wouldn't have asked that "at home" nonsense anyway because you had paired up "speak Spanish" with "wave Mexican flags", so it was clear to me that this activity was occurring in public. LMAO. I've got to meet these "anti-American" Mexican radicals. They sound like cool dudes! Hey, if they're lucky, maybe they can return the Southwest to Mexico. Hahaha. That's what you call a radical?!! Someone who's trying to make America more Mexican? LMAO... wow! I definitely don't view Mexican Americans and Hispanic Americans the same way you do, but I welcome their increased numbers and influence in this country. I can't wait until they become the majority group. America's been dominated by white people for WAAAAYYYY too long. Let's try something new! I don't care if you watch Fox News or not. Point is I was mocking you! ^_^
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Post by simplemoviecommenter on Oct 20, 2017 3:11:27 GMT
Even though I agree with OP, I'm still amused with it enough to appropriate it.
As for #All Lives Matter? So redundant and meaningless and deflective and entirely missing the point.
And aww look, someone's using the respectability politics and sanitized version of MLK's "nonviolent" methods to lecture black people on how to protest right or else. Oh, and MLK still got murdered for his trouble despite his "classy" style. As far as his murderers were concerned, MLK was still a N-Word in a nice suit.
Fucking look at Kaepernick, all he does is kneel and people complain as much anyway. They don't give a shit how people protest. They just care that it happens at all ever.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2017 6:12:19 GMT
America's been dominated by white people for WAAAAYYYY too long. The true racists always reveal themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2017 7:20:26 GMT
And aww look, someone's using the respectability politics and sanitized version of MLK's "nonviolent" methods to lecture black people on how to protest right or else. Oh, and MLK still got murdered for his trouble despite his "classy" style. As far as his murderers were concerned, MLK was still a N-Word in a nice suit. Fucking look at Kaepernick, all he does is kneel and people complain as much anyway. They don't give a shit how people protest. They just care that it happens at all ever. I got news for you: everyone in MLK's era had more respectability than the participation medal generation that is leading the charge with militant groups like BLM and Antifa. I have more news for you: I wasn't lecturing black people. I was speaking specifically to the OP, who conducts himself in a respectable manner, and I was offering genuine advice. I have no idea what color lenlenlen is and I don't care because I judge men by the content of their character. Now, beyond the fact that I was speaking directly to the OP (thus, not even the plural "people"), I also wasn't speaking about "black people." I was speaking about black people, white people, hispanic people and anyone else who joins radical, militant, fringe groups (in fact, holy fuck, that's almost verbatim what I said in my original post!). I'm a parent. I don't know if you are. But all I can tell you is that, since becoming a parent, I care a little more about people than I used to, even people I don't like or don't understand. They were all innocent children at some time in their lives. I want to see the youth of America striving for financial independence instead of living in their parent's basements until the age of 26 and being coddled by a government that financially benefits such a ridiculous thing. I want to see money invested in education and security in low income areas of inner cities instead of food stamps and healthcare entitlements, so that the next generation will learn to stand on their own two feet and take charge of their own destinies and determine their own appropriate state of well-being. I want to see people thinking about the future instead of madly focusing on the controversy du jour. I know too well that no matter what kind of moral fabric I try to instill in my children, there's always a chance that one of them may end up chasing some ghost of a cause that is not only misdirected, but that hinders their ability to be successful people in this society. And because I don't want that for my own kids, I don't want it for other people's kids either. So when I speak out against militant groups - especially groups that seek to codify themselves based on criticism or anger felt against a different group, which is indeed the case with BLM - I do it, because, as I've already stated, groups like this will only eventually impoverish their members (morally and financially). At the end of the day, business is business and the rich entrepreneurs who make this economy churn don't want to hire kids whose learned values are hyperbole and unrealistic self-interest. They want employees who are mentally tough enough to put up with shit they don't like because that's what it takes to make the most money. Which brings us to Kaepernick... Yes, indeed, some people are not responding well to Kaepernick's protests. Following the nauseating, never-ending nonsense that Antifa farted out after the Trump election, yeah, pretty much everyone who voted Trump is sick and tired of flipping on the tv every day and watching spoon-fed entitled shitheads protest any and all things that offend them. It is doubly infuriating that he would choose the most iconic of all American symbols - the one thing that is supposed to bring us all together, despite our differences - as the focus of his protest. But where he really fucked up was just doing it during football, period. That's it. You got millions of men whose wives nag them and whose kids cry all day and their jobs suck and FOX, CNN, MSNBC and every other fake news organization run 24/7 headache-inducing bullshit, and their coworkers all hate each other now because everything has gotten so political, and so they've had this frustrating build-up all week, and the only fucking thing they want in the world is to Calgon-away that serious shit with some brainless fun like a competitive sport. But nope. Instead they get more annoying political protest and they get it from a guy who was making five or ten times the amount of money in one year as they'll make over the course of their entire lives. For fuck sake, we can't even bring dead soldiers home anymore without making the grieving process political. Nor, apparently, can we discuss Star Wars. So let me double down on the advice I offered the OP: BLM will never enrich its members lives. It will only impoverish them. If you love someone who wants to become an activist - whether it's the ill-conceived, immature, hyperbolic platform of a group like BLM, or the bitchy, destructive, anti-Republic platform of a group like Antifa, or the dangerous, chaos-inducing fringe hispanic groups that want to tear down the pillars of American mores and folkways, or the brain-washed, idiotic pussies in white nationalist groups - please, tell them it will only harm them. Their best way forward is stop worrying about what other people are doing and start paying attention to what they're doing to make themselves successful members of society.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2017 7:33:27 GMT
Calm down. I used to think you were fairly rational, but I guess I was wrong. You being an English major is irrelevant to the conversation. You had a problem with Mexican Americans waving their flags and speaking Spanish. That's on you, dude. LMAO. Wow... I'm sorry learning Spanish in school traumatized you, hahaha... Jesus Christ... Sorry, audiosane, but you really suck at reading. I enjoyed learning Spanish. I'm glad I know some Spanish. When I vacation in Mexico, I speak their language. I only speak English when I'm stuck. I can tell, though, by the looks on their faces that they appreciate my efforts to carry on 20-minute conversations with them without defaulting to my natural tongue. Ha, whaddya know? The people in Mexico show affirmation when I seek to assimilate as much as I can in my little way when I'm in their country! (they must be horrible people)
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Oct 31, 2017 12:18:24 GMT
Everything is open to be satirize.
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Post by audiosane on Nov 7, 2017 4:06:23 GMT
The true racists always reveal themselves. Yup, I'm a true racist for wanting to see America's full diversity reflected in our culture rather than continue to see white people dominate it. Ya got me, buddy. o<|8o)~
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Post by audiosane on Nov 7, 2017 4:12:35 GMT
Calm down. I used to think you were fairly rational, but I guess I was wrong. You being an English major is irrelevant to the conversation. You had a problem with Mexican Americans waving their flags and speaking Spanish. That's on you, dude. LMAO. Wow... I'm sorry learning Spanish in school traumatized you, hahaha... Jesus Christ... Sorry, audiosane, but you really suck at reading. I enjoyed learning Spanish. I'm glad I know some Spanish. When I vacation in Mexico, I speak their language. I only speak English when I'm stuck. I can tell, though, by the looks on their faces that they appreciate my efforts to carry on 20-minute conversations with them without defaulting to my natural tongue. Ha, whaddya know? The people in Mexico show affirmation when I seek to assimilate as much as I can in my little way when I'm in their country! (they must be horrible people) This isn't about you speaking Spanish in Mexico. This is about you bitching and moaning about Mexican Americans proudly expressing their culture here. We don't have to give up who we are when we come to this country.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2017 4:37:18 GMT
Sorry, audiosane, but you really suck at reading. I enjoyed learning Spanish. I'm glad I know some Spanish. When I vacation in Mexico, I speak their language. I only speak English when I'm stuck. I can tell, though, by the looks on their faces that they appreciate my efforts to carry on 20-minute conversations with them without defaulting to my natural tongue. Ha, whaddya know? The people in Mexico show affirmation when I seek to assimilate as much as I can in my little way when I'm in their country! (they must be horrible people) This isn't about you speaking Spanish in Mexico. This is about you bitching and moaning about Mexican Americans proudly expressing their culture here. We don't have to give up who we are when we come to this country. We already covered this. You misunderstood my comments, understandably so. When I brought up "speaking Spanish" and "waving Mexican flags," I was aiming to connote (for instance, students) tearing down the American flag and replacing it with a Mexican flag in congruence with (others) trying to officially change the language in certain areas. I should have been clearer the first time. I'd like to think that my rebuttal in a later post where I clarified would be enough for you, but nope, hear you go again beating the same wrong drum. The fuck you don't. No matter where you come from or what your history is, English had better be your primary language reasonably shortly after your arrival and you have to obey the law. Other than that, yep, expose your culture as often as possible. Even evil, privileged, white people appreciate diversity.
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Post by audiosane on Nov 7, 2017 4:55:44 GMT
This isn't about you speaking Spanish in Mexico. This is about you bitching and moaning about Mexican Americans proudly expressing their culture here. We don't have to give up who we are when we come to this country. We already covered this. You misunderstood my comments, understandably so. When I brought up "speaking Spanish" and "waving Mexican flags," I was aiming to connote tearing down the American flag and replacing it with a Mexican flag in congruence with trying to officially change the language. I should have been clearer the first time. I'd like to think that my rebuttal in a later post where I clarified would be enough for you, but nope, hear you go again beating the same wrong drum. I had forgotten your rebuttal because it had been a while since I last responded. That said, I was making the point that this conversation wasn't about you speaking Spanish in Mexico. Who exactly is trying to officially change the language? You make it sound like some large movement or something. Or else what? Why even bring that up in the conversation?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2017 6:08:21 GMT
Who exactly is trying to officially change the language? You make it sound like some large movement or something. Please don't act as though you aren't aware of a growing Reconquista. The fuck you don't. No matter where you come from or what your history is, English had better be your primary language reasonably shortly after your arrival ... You're not welcome here, that's what. ... and you have to obey the law. Hey, just clarifying since we've had so much misunderstanding thus far. You have to speak English and you have to respect our secular version of Judeo-Christian-based law. If so, welcome to America. If you don't want to do those things, why'd you come here?
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Post by audiosane on Nov 7, 2017 18:06:37 GMT
Please don't act as though you aren't aware of a growing Reconquista. Nope. Never heard of that anywhere except from you. Where did you hear it from? Yeah, lol. Good job enforcing that. No one was arguing that anyone should be allowed to break the law, so why even bring that up? You make it sound like Mexicans and Hispanic people in general are inclined to commit crimes.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2017 21:54:15 GMT
Please don't act as though you aren't aware of a growing Reconquista. Nope. Never heard of that anywhere except from you. Where did you hear it from? The idea that Mexico should own the Southwest, both nationally and culturally, has been around since Mexico lost the war to Texas. Nice race-baiting. Again. I've so far used examples of whites, blacks, Jews and Mexicans in my several posts, three of which I referenced in my original post. So for one, I never said shit about Hispanic people. I made comments about Mexicans, which is not the same as "all Hispanic people." That's just you projecting your race-baiting liberal shit once again. For two, since I called out several ethnic groups all at once, including two of my own, I clearly wasn't delineating between ethnic groups. You've singled out my comments about Mexicans for some reason and tried to isolate them as if they existed singularly. Not only is that race-baiting, it's a strawman too. The context of my original post was in discussing the idea that radicalism shouldn't be condoned or celebrated. In any ethnic group. Third, in one of my other previous posts, I have already revealed that I choose to vacation in Mexico. If I thought that Mexicans were inclined to commit crimes, why the fuck would I not only choose to go there, but also spend my money there? Holy shit! Of course that doesn't make any sense, so it must be bullshit. Now, as to the actual reason I brought it up? Because you made the comment earlier about "not having to change who you are when you come here," which I said was bullshit as it pertains to our language and our laws. Why bring up the law? Because people in other cultures have varying degrees about what is right and what is wrong. But what other cultures think is right and wrong doesn't mean shit when they come to the shores of America seeking citizenry. All those things you "did in the Old country" aren't necessarily going to fly here. For instance: many Arab states think it's okay to stone women who commit adultery (or in extreme cases, who are raped). Fuck that. Don't come over here and think you're going to change our law to allow for that kind of archaic thought. You have to obey our law. There. Now you can respond with something about how I don't tolerate Semites. That should be a hoot.
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Post by audiosane on Nov 8, 2017 1:45:55 GMT
The idea that Mexico should own the Southwest, both nationally and culturally, has been around since Mexico lost the war to Texas. But where's the big movement to make this happen? Like I said before, I've only heard about this from you. Seems like a total non-issue to me, so why even bring it up in the thread? I'm not race-baiting. You're the one who kept bringing up that Mexicans should obey the law. Of course Mexicans and Hispanics are not the same thing. That's why I said "Mexicans and Hispanic people in general". You brought up obeying the law when we were specifically talking about Mexicans, not various groups in general. This particular point occurred later on in the discussion, not in your original post. I don't care what you do in Mexico. That wasn't the conversation. We were talking about problems you had with certain Mexicans here. When I said you don't have to change who you are when you come here, I was talking about being proud of your culture and speaking whatever language you want, not changing America's official language or breaking our laws. This was before you clarified that you didn't really mean what you had originally said.
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Post by pete8680 on Nov 8, 2017 4:15:01 GMT
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