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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Oct 16, 2017 19:34:16 GMT
While he might not be at the skill level he was during the 49ers Super Bowl run (and without Jim Harbaugh too), there isn't a person on earth who could convince me he isn't better than some of the dreck being put on the field on Sundays. No, he's not Aaron Rodgers or Drew Brees. But he's better than whatever recycled POS QBs the Browns and 49ers have and whatever other shitty backups you wanna name. If Carson Wentz got hurt I'd rather have Kaepernick than fucking Nick Foles. So yes, I believe 100% he was colluded against. I also believe 100%, unless he has some emails or witnesses or something, he'll never prove it. You guys keep saying he's better than what some of the other teams have, yet you completely ignore all the other factors. Nobody wants an expensive headache. Nobody wants to pay him for what he brings the table. The pluses don't outweigh the minuses to them. How hard is that to understand? I understand fully what you are saying, I just disagree with it. I wouldn't want the Eagles to sign someone like Greg Hardy or Ray Rice, and I was opposed to them signing Michael Vick. But since Kaepernick isn't a violent criminal like those three and since I'd like the Eagles to win a Super Bowl in my lifetime, he would give them a better chance than Nick Foles in my opinion. It is also my opinion that the only people who would have an issue with their team signing Kaepernick are white people who have no business feeling offended by what black people and other minorities wanting to bring about change that will benefit everyone. |
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Post by kuatorises on Oct 16, 2017 19:39:13 GMT
You guys keep saying he's better than what some of the other teams have, yet you completely ignore all the other factors. Nobody wants an expensive headache. Nobody wants to pay him for what he brings the table. The pluses don't outweigh the minuses to them. How hard is that to understand? I understand fully what you are saying, I just disagree with it. I wouldn't want the Eagles to sign someone like Greg Hardy or Ray Rice, and I was opposed to them signing Michael Vick. But since Kaepernick isn't a violent criminal like those three and since I'd like the Eagles to win a Super Bowl in my lifetime, he would give them a better chance than Nick Foles in my opinion. It is also my opinion that the only people who would have an issue with their team signing Kaepernick are white people who have no business feeling offended by what black people and other minorities wanting to bring about change that will benefit everyone. Yeah, I can't work with this. Were done here. I have no tolerance for you white guilt types. And let me save you the trouble of typing your stereo typical and clichéd response – I voted for Hillary. |
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Oct 16, 2017 19:50:35 GMT
I understand fully what you are saying, I just disagree with it. I wouldn't want the Eagles to sign someone like Greg Hardy or Ray Rice, and I was opposed to them signing Michael Vick. But since Kaepernick isn't a violent criminal like those three and since I'd like the Eagles to win a Super Bowl in my lifetime, he would give them a better chance than Nick Foles in my opinion. It is also my opinion that the only people who would have an issue with their team signing Kaepernick are white people who have no business feeling offended by what black people and other minorities wanting to bring about change that will benefit everyone. Yeah, I can't work with this. Were done here. I have no tolerance for you white guilt types. And let me save you the trouble of typing your stereo typical and clichéd response – I voted for Hillary. I don't have white guilt, but I am white, so who the hell would I be to say that Kaepernick's protest is wrong? |
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Post by marsexplorer on Oct 16, 2017 19:55:52 GMT
I don't have white guilt, but I am white, so who the hell would I be to say that Kaepernick's protest is wrong? It's not the substance of his protest that people disagree with it is the way he is going about it. |
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Post by poelzig on Oct 16, 2017 20:51:46 GMT
The point of any protest is to bring as much attention as possible to the reason behind the protest. Few in America have as large a platform as an NFL player, and even more so a QB. So he used his platform as he saw fit. Is it really any different than Al Gore talking about global warming, Bono preaching about everything at a U2 concert, or George Clooney talking about African orphans or whatever? You don't have to agree with what Kaepernick is trying to bring attention to (though everyone should), but if you don't like seeing it on tv then maybe that's when you should grab a beer or go to the bathroom. Is Al Gore sitting in the office of the Vice President when he talks about global warming? Does George Clooney stop in the middle of his movies face the camera and speak of orphans? Is Bono not a self employed business man who brings up issues at his own expense? Those three examples you give speak up on their own time and money. Kaepernick wages his crusade on the NFL and the NFL fan's time and money. While I think most fans agree the issue of inequality should be addressed there are different avenues that can be taken and Kap filing a grievance claiming collusion certainly has nothing to do with cops shooting unarmed black men it has all to do with himself and his out of control ego. Excellent post Mars and spot on. You expressed how I feel about this matter perfectly while avoiding my occasional affinity to be slightly snarky. Well done. |
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Post by poelzig on Oct 16, 2017 20:55:09 GMT
I understand fully what you are saying, I just disagree with it. I wouldn't want the Eagles to sign someone like Greg Hardy or Ray Rice, and I was opposed to them signing Michael Vick. But since Kaepernick isn't a violent criminal like those three and since I'd like the Eagles to win a Super Bowl in my lifetime, he would give them a better chance than Nick Foles in my opinion. It is also my opinion that the only people who would have an issue with their team signing Kaepernick are white people who have no business feeling offended by what black people and other minorities wanting to bring about change that will benefit everyone. Yeah, I can't work with this. Were done here. I have no tolerance for you white guilt types. And let me save you the trouble of typing your stereo typical and clichéd response – I voted for Hillary. WOW!!! I am in total agreement with kuato in all these posts. What a wacky football weekend we are having. I'm sure we have been on the same page before but still. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2017 23:06:28 GMT
The article above I just quoted introduces a very essential point in this story - one that I believe the author did not notice that he was making. It has to do with timing and intentions. I was never very comfortable with Kaepernick's protest. When he started, I thought, where were this guy before when the injustices he is protesting were being committed? Not a peep. Then when there were rumors he'd be cut, he started it. At the time I thought "maybe he thinks that by doing this, the Niners will not dare to cut him or else they'd appear biased and prejudiced." I don't exclude that this was his initial calculation, but then it got a life of its own and he couldn't walk it back. Now, look at this article: the author says he's been silent for one year, waiting for a chance to get a contract. Now that it is clear he won't, he filed the grievance. In it, he protests that he's not being hired. It's not a protest against police brutality targeting black men. So the article said, now that he has nothing else to lose regarding the league, he'll be able to go back to social activism. Really? Because if this wasn't about getting an NFL job, he wouldn't have stayed quiet for so long. He would have been, well, speaking up about his social activism, regardless of his job prospects. So, it's about the job after all? Yeah, I thought so from the beginning. marsexplorer was spot on in his comment. Let's suppose Kaepernick were actually interested in social activism, nothing to do with an NFL job. Then, he'd have used his fame and prestige (at a time when he still had some), and would for example, organize through social media a gathering, say, after the game, in front of the stadium, where he would call the press and supporters, and speak up in favor of equality. During the game, he'd stand up for the anthem, play his best, and wouldn't mix his politics with his athleticism. Is this guy known for his social consciousness and activism? Not that I know. So, the timing is suspect. What I strongly suspect he is, is a narcissist that opportunistically tried this move with the calculation that it would benefit him, but it backfired. I have strong doubts if Kaepernick actually cares for equality and for black men being shot by cops. I think he is using this cause to prolong his claim to fame. Finally, while the cause (if genuine) is worthy (who wouldn't want to have equality in our society?), the way he chose to go about it is plain stupid (in case he actually wanted to promote it), because instead of making people talk about the cause, he made people talk about the anthem and the flag. Wrong targets. Now, do I think the NFL colluded against him? Absolutely. Even with the baggage, even with the nasty girlfriend, even with the controversy, he is still much better than many back-ups and even starters who are playing out there. It makes no sense to hire a Michael Vick with two-thirds of the country hating him for what he did to those dogs, and refrain from hiring Kaepernick, if the only reason was avoidance of controversy. So I suspect that there is collusion, but also agree that he will never prove it. Is it OK for an employer to decide not to hire someone, not because of the person belonging to protected classes (sex, national origin, religion, etc.), but because the employer thinks that what he brings to the table is not worth the trouble or the money? Absolutely. But is it OK for even just two NFL franchises to collude in order to avoid hiring someone? No, it is not. It's against the CBA. It is due to this issue that he is filing a grievance; it's not an employment discrimination lawsuit based on federal laws. His grievance is a CBA one, and he is likely right about it. Proving it, though, is another matter. So, what will Kaepernick do next, after he inevitably loses his grievance? Will he run for office? Will he become a true advocate for equality and against police brutality towards black men? Well, if he does, he will grow in my respect. But I suspect he won't. He'll just keep whining that he wasn't hired by the NFL, because I strongly suspect that *this* is his real agenda. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 17, 2017 4:42:44 GMT
What is being talked about more? The social injustice that these idiots claim to be protesting about or the fact that they are using the platform to disrespect the country? Yes, the motive of social injustice is given, but then the discussion turns to the protest itself. Remember when the bullshit started about how the Redskins name is disrespectful or the Cleveland Indians mascot is disrespectful. The reason liberals gave was that if anyone is offended by it, it is therefore offensive. Why is this any different? If anyone is offended by the kneeling, it is therefore offensive. Just like with the name and mascot, inent of not meaning to be offensive is moot It's talked about more, oddly enough, by the people who believe that social injustice is something that these people have made up in their minds. They attack the messenger and not the message, going so far as to actually say that the message is something else entirely (it's about social injustice, it's not about protesting the flag/this country). They say things like "Kaepernick isn't poor, therefore he has no idea about social injustice," which is so perplexingly stupid that I cannot for the life of me see how anybody can repeat it, and yet they do. It's talked about more because that's what people do in this country when they think you are wrong - they change the tune and put words in your mouth. It's talked about more by people who claim to be constitutional experts when it comes to waving Nazi flags and citing 1st amendment cases, but who disappear like a fart in the wind when someone asks about other constitutional rights that are often ignored, such as due process of law. I don't disagree with you about the Redskins and Indians thing, although I'd go so far as to say that people being upset with teams using a mascot of a people who were the victims of mass genocide is not the same thing as taking a knee in the hopes of saying "hey, something is wrong in this country, let's do something about it." When military personnel are coming out in support of the protesters (and many of them are), then this attack on the form of protest loses its legs. Plus, black people in this country are REPEATEDLY told that their form of protest is unacceptable so I call bullshit on people attaching this form of protest as it represents a peaceful protest that has generated discussion, whether the right wants to hear it or not. Leave it to klawrencio to defend Kaepernick's actions. One douchebag defending another. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 17, 2017 4:58:14 GMT
It’s a ridiculous grievance. So many things work against him here. its almost impossible to prove. At 1st glance, it seems that it would be almost impossible to prove collusion. But in an organization with as many employees as NFL has, there are always bound to be disgruntled employees who are willing to be air the dirty laundry. That's how the Patriots' 1st 3 Super Bowl wins got tainted by SpyGate. Eric Mangini was the 1st to report them for cheating, but it was a disgruntled Patriots' ex-employee Matt Walsh, who turned over the videotapes to the NFL proving that the Patriots had been cheating since the 2001 season, when they won their 1st Super Bowl by cheating. Also, people often tend to be careless or dumb about what the send in e-mails or text messages. That's how the Wells Report was able to prove that Brady cheated in DeflateGate. Because Jim "The Deflator" McNally and Jastremski were dumb enough to text about how they were deflating footballs for Brady to use in games. There are are many others who have knelt and are still employed. Yes, but Kaepernick was the 1 who instigated the controversy. The other players just followed his lead. It's like when Tony Curtis' character said at the end of Spartacus, "I'm Spartacus!" and then everyone else followed his lead and said "I'm Spartacus!" So it wouldn't surprise me if the owners had decided that they wanted to make an example out of Kaepernick for instigating the entire controversy. its time for this idiot to just go away. Yep, it's time for him to shut up and go away. But I am surprised that you're rooting against Kaepernick since you've been such a big critic of the CBA giving so much power to the Commissioner. Kaepernick has a chance to take down the CBA, which I thought you would be in favor of. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2017 6:51:13 GMT
I don't have white guilt, but I am white, so who the hell would I be to say that Kaepernick's protest is wrong? it is the way he is going about it. That's quite clearly not true. Over in the politics section, youtube comments, twitter, social media, even on Fox News there are clearly a large number of people who not only say they disagree with how he is protesting, but they fundamentally disagree with what he is protesting, they equate his protest to groups like the KKK, you even have congressman calling him a terrorist sympathiser, so you have to wonder whether at least some of the resistance comes from a place of thinly veiled racism. I mean, when Ricky Hatton (the boxer) fought in Las Vegas against Floyd Mayweather, the The Star-Spangled Banner was completely drowned out with boos. That was far more disrespectful than anything Colin Kaepernick has done, but as far as I'm aware, it didn't receive anything near the same amount of criticism. In fact I never heard a word said against it. If a few people did voice their criticisms, it certainly wasn't on the scale of what Colin Kaepernick has received just for getting on one knee. So where is the outrage here? |
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Post by Carl LaFong on Oct 17, 2017 6:54:08 GMT
He could get a job as a Marouane Fellaini impersonator.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2017 8:22:18 GMT
I've found another example of a celebrity disrespecting the national anthem at a sport's event. Roseanne (is she still alive?).
This was before a baseball match in 1990.
She even spits on the floor at the end. She literally spat on America!!!
Was she made public enemy #1? Has anyone equated her to the KKK? Or called her a terrorist sympathiser? Was she ostracised from television?
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Post by klawrencio79 on Oct 17, 2017 12:42:38 GMT
It's talked about more, oddly enough, by the people who believe that social injustice is something that these people have made up in their minds. They attack the messenger and not the message, going so far as to actually say that the message is something else entirely (it's about social injustice, it's not about protesting the flag/this country). They say things like "Kaepernick isn't poor, therefore he has no idea about social injustice," which is so perplexingly stupid that I cannot for the life of me see how anybody can repeat it, and yet they do. It's talked about more because that's what people do in this country when they think you are wrong - they change the tune and put words in your mouth. It's talked about more by people who claim to be constitutional experts when it comes to waving Nazi flags and citing 1st amendment cases, but who disappear like a fart in the wind when someone asks about other constitutional rights that are often ignored, such as due process of law. I don't disagree with you about the Redskins and Indians thing, although I'd go so far as to say that people being upset with teams using a mascot of a people who were the victims of mass genocide is not the same thing as taking a knee in the hopes of saying "hey, something is wrong in this country, let's do something about it." When military personnel are coming out in support of the protesters (and many of them are), then this attack on the form of protest loses its legs. Plus, black people in this country are REPEATEDLY told that their form of protest is unacceptable so I call bullshit on people attaching this form of protest as it represents a peaceful protest that has generated discussion, whether the right wants to hear it or not. Leave it to klawrencio to defend Kaepernick's actions. One douchebag defending another. Go fuck yourself you hapless piece of shit. |
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Post by DSDSquared on Oct 17, 2017 13:17:06 GMT
I've found another example of a celebrity disrespecting the national anthem at a sport's event. Roseanne (is she still alive?). This was before a baseball match in 1990. She even spits on the floor at the end. She literally spat on America!!! Was she made public enemy #1? Has anyone equated her to the KKK? Or called her a terrorist sympathiser? Was she ostracised from television? Judging by the content of your posts, I assume you were not alive in 1990. I remember when that happened and people HATED her after that. It was talked about A LOT and many people called for boycotts of her show. She was still famous and her show was still good, so it did not work well. That kind of throws your argument under the bus.
Also, people try to pretend that Kaep is some hero and a person of good character when the guy has always been a scumbag. Seriously. This is the guy that praises Castro in Florida, that wears pig socks because he hates cops, that has always been a douchebag. He also turned down a multimillion dollar contract because he thought he was worth more. This grievance is hilarious and will be shot down easily.
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Post by NJtoTX on Oct 17, 2017 13:25:02 GMT
I've found another example of a celebrity disrespecting the national anthem at a sport's event. Roseanne (is she still alive?). This was before a baseball match in 1990. She even spits on the floor at the end. She literally spat on America!!!Was she made public enemy #1? Has anyone equated her to the KKK? Or called her a terrorist sympathiser? Was she ostracised from television? The whole thing was a goof, and the spitting after it was over was her attempt to mimic how baseball players spit tobacco juice and sunflower seeds and whatever all the time on camera. But she was trashed for it for years. |
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Post by kuatorises on Oct 17, 2017 14:04:40 GMT
Yeah, I can't work with this. Were done here. I have no tolerance for you white guilt types. And let me save you the trouble of typing your stereo typical and clichéd response – I voted for Hillary. I don't have white guilt, but I am white, so who the hell would I be to say that Kaepernick's protest is wrong? Was that you were saying about not having any white guilt?? |
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Post by kuatorises on Oct 17, 2017 15:02:28 GMT
I've found another example of a celebrity disrespecting the national anthem at a sport's event. Roseanne (is she still alive?). This was before a baseball match in 1990. She even spits on the floor at the end. She literally spat on America!!! Was she made public enemy #1? Has anyone equated her to the KKK? Or called her a terrorist sympathiser? Was she ostracised from television? Judging by the content of your posts, I assume you were not alive in 1990. I remember when that happened and people HATED her after that. It was talked about A LOT and many people called for boycotts of her show. She was still famous and her show was still good, so it did not work well. That kind of throws your argument under the bus.
Also, people try to pretend that Kaep is some hero and a person of good character when the guy has always been a scumbag. Seriously. This is the guy that praises Castro in Florida, that wears pig socks because he hates cops, that has always been a douchebag. He also turned down a multimillion dollar contract because he thought he was worth more. This grievance is hilarious and will be shot down easily.
I am not a huge fan of the kneeling, but I also didn't care all that much way back when it was just him quietly doing it. But when he started doing the other stuff is when he really started to annoy me. His supporters ignore all that. |
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Post by damngumby on Oct 17, 2017 17:02:04 GMT
Kaepernick was clearly extending the middle finger to America.
America has replied in kind.
If you're trying to solve a problem, you don't begin by telling everyone to fuck off.
Kaepernick has taken an issue and inadvertently turned it into a side show about him.
Of course, now the NFL protests have expanded to include things like "housing discrimination" and the "gender pay gap". It appears to be morphing into a collection of all the reasons liberals hate America. (Who didn't see that coming a mile away?)
Have we reach jump the shark territory yet?
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