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Post by kijii on Oct 17, 2017 16:14:23 GMT
I just saw this William A Wellman movie again last night---after many years.
It is based on a Walter Van Tilburg Clark novel (the same author who wrote The Ox-Bow Incident).
I don't understand this story AT ALL. It seems to be an allegory of some sort, but what is it about or what does it represent? Do the characters in this movie represent different aspects of a "family saga"? If so, what is the saga about? To make a strange story even stranger, there is an Indian, Joe Sam ('Alfalfa'), hanging around the house who cannot speak in clear language...just a few grunts and groans....
I feel as though one would need Cliff Notes to understand the story and it characters.
Can someone please give me some thoughts about this?
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Post by teleadm on Oct 17, 2017 17:57:50 GMT
My thought after seeing this was: Ingmar Bergman on the ranch. I didn't undertstand it at all. It had beautiful outdoors cinematography though.
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Post by RiP, IMDb on Oct 18, 2017 2:41:15 GMT
I just saw this William A Wellman movie again last night---after many years.
It is based on a Walter Van Tilburg Clark novel (the same author who wrote The Ox-Bow Incident).
I don't understand this story AT ALL. It seems to be an allegory of some sort, but what is it about or what does it represent? Do the characters in this movie represent different aspects of a "family saga"? If so, what is the saga about? To make a strange story even stranger, there is an Indian, Joe Sam ('Alfalfa'), hanging around the house who cannot speak in clear language...just a few grunts and groans....
I feel as though one would need Cliff Notes to understand the story and it characters.
Can someone please give me some thoughts about this? I had a thread on this film on the old "Classic Film" board of IMDb.
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Post by mikef6 on Oct 18, 2017 13:37:56 GMT
I didn't have any trouble "understanding" it - maybe I'm just not a Deep Thinker. I did think it was an unusual story to be given a western setting. For the old board's weekly thread I wrote:
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Post by kijii on Oct 18, 2017 16:35:01 GMT
I didn't have any trouble "understanding" it - maybe I'm just not a Deep Thinker. I did think it was an unusual story to be given a western setting. For the old board's weekly thread I wrote: So then, Mike, let me get this straight--- You don't think the mountain lion represents Satan; the snow storm represents the 40 days and 40 nights of temptation in the desert; the mother represents Pontius Pilate; and Tab Hunter is a Christ figure?  Seriously, this HAS to be about something more than just the simple but very strange story on the screen. Doesn't it?  So then, The Ox-Bow Incident was just another simple story too? www.cliffsnotes.com/literature/o/the-oxbow-incident/summary-and-analysis/part-1
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Post by koskiewicz on Oct 18, 2017 16:35:51 GMT
...it is what is known as a "melodrama"
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Post by kijii on Oct 18, 2017 16:50:20 GMT
I just saw this William A Wellman movie again last night---after many years.
It is based on a Walter Van Tilburg Clark novel (the same author who wrote The Ox-Bow Incident).
I don't understand this story AT ALL. It seems to be an allegory of some sort, but what is it about or what does it represent? Do the characters in this movie represent different aspects of a "family saga"? If so, what is the saga about? To make a strange story even stranger, there is an Indian, Joe Sam ('Alfalfa'), hanging around the house who cannot speak in clear language...just a few grunts and groans....
I feel as though one would need Cliff Notes to understand the story and it characters.
Can someone please give me some thoughts about this? I had a thread on this film on the old "Classic Film" board of IMDb.What were some of the thoughts on your thread on the old IMDb. I don't think those thread can be found anymore. However, I might look at some of the user reviews of this movie on the IMDb.
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Post by kijii on Oct 18, 2017 17:04:23 GMT
Well, here is a possible interpretation from and IMDb review:
The family's name is Bridge, but why?
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Post by mikef6 on Oct 18, 2017 17:48:44 GMT
So then, Mike, let me get this straight--- You don't think the mountain lion represents Satan; the snow storm represents the 40 days and 40 nights of temptation in the desert; the mother represents Pontius Pilate; and Tab Hunter is a Christ figure?  Seriously, this HAS to be about something more than just the simple but very strange story on the screen. Doesn't it?  So then, The Ox-Bow Incident was just another simple story too? www.cliffsnotes.com/literature/o/the-oxbow-incident/summary-and-analysis/part-1Well, if you put it that way, then maybe the snow represents the purity of the Garden of Eden that has been spoiled with tracks all over it. The mountain lion is sin “crouching at the door.” Robert Mitchum represents Bigfoot and Tab Hunter the space aliens who taught the ancient Egyptians how to build the pyramids. But seriously folks…I didn’t think that the film gave us a “simple story” but a very gripping drama about a family on the edge. Thinking about a deeper analysis: maybe the turmoil inside the ranch house and the vain attempts to find peace is mirrored by the search for another seemingly intractable problem outside in an almost impossible environment. That’s the best I can do. (I also read the exegesis you found, below. That sounds good, too.)
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Post by kijii on Oct 18, 2017 19:46:13 GMT
Using that exegesis, it seems as though the Indian outside of the door--played by Alfalfa--supplies the fulcrum of the symbolic story.
It seems possible since, there seems to be no other reason for his existence in the story. It is sort of like Boo Radley's existence in To Kill a Mockingbird (1962); he seems totally unnecessary to the story until we find out that he is essential to the over arching story.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Oct 19, 2017 15:08:46 GMT
kijiiI agree with you kijii. I really enjoy watching this movie but it drives me nuts. I know that everything in the movie is symbolic but I'll be darned if I can figure out what everything symbolizes.
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