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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2017 18:43:08 GMT
I happen to agree with him. He is absolutely correct in his stance on defending Episode I, II, and III.
I especially agree about the public ridiculing Jake Lloyd. He was only 10 years old, and he was just doing what the writer/director asked him to do. With kids, its all about the director, you can either direct kids (e.g. Spielberg) or you can't.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2017 18:45:54 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2017 18:49:54 GMT
It sounds more like he was commenting on people trashing Jake Lloyd and Lucas more than actually defending the films.
That being said, I agree with what he said here....
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Post by barkingbaphomet on Feb 6, 2017 21:56:38 GMT
i've always maintained that out of anyone involved Lloyd was the least responsible for how the Phantom Menace turned out.
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Post by Reynard on Feb 6, 2017 23:56:52 GMT
This seems to be what people hating the prequel trilogy always claim these days but it's not how I remember things. When The Phantom Menace was released I went to see it and clearly remember newspaper reviews being mixed or positive with some negative reviews. That's one of the reasons I decided to go see it, despite never being the biggest Star Wars fan.
Serious backlash did occur with Attack of the Clones which got the worst reviews of the prequels. Revenge of the Sith got mostly good reviews.
Why people have this need to claim that the prequels were hated and ridiculed since day one is beyond me.
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Post by vegalyra on Feb 7, 2017 21:18:20 GMT
I saw all three at release and Phantom Menace was a fairly good film although my friends and I that had greatly anticipated the release felt pretty let down. Especially with Jar Jar. I wish that the film dealt with more of the dealings in the Senate as I found that part to be very interesting and refreshing. Attack of the Clones was absolutely terrible, one of the worst films I've ever seen theatrically. Sith was mediocre although it was interesting to see the final transformation of Anakin into Darth Vader. I still love Star Wars but my attitude towards the films as a whole diminished quite a bit after the prequels were completed.
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Post by shinnickneth on Feb 8, 2017 5:54:53 GMT
This seems to be what people hating the prequel trilogy always claim these days but it's not how I remember things. When The Phantom Menace was released I went to see it and clearly remember newspaper reviews being mixed or positive with some negative reviews. Me too. I don't remember actually reading any bad reviews or hearing anything bad about the movie until about 2001. Of course, my dial-up Internet left something to be desired, so I rarely got on the internet back then. Nor did I have cable. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 1:18:01 GMT
The initial reviews were ok. The first one I read of claimed that it was better than Ep6 but nowhere near as good as ANH or ESB - something I agree with. My local paper stated while giving it an above average review that GL had "the eyes of an artist but ears of tin".
However I do think people at the time - including myself - overrated the film considerably, wanting the film to be better than it was. I recall it not being long before people to give voice to their disquiet. Videos of fans at the time would have them raving about the battles, special effects or costumes - obviously doing their best to avoid talking about dialogue, acting, scripts and space taxes. People would focus on individual aspects as to why the movie was not perfect. Little Anakin or Jar Jar were the problem, not the filmmaking itself. An article on E! News asked "Meesa ruin Star Wars?". Some would try to rationalise the films flaws by saying that the Star Wars films had never had great dialogue or because it was supposedly aimed at kids should make it immune to criticism.
An article I read at the time would sum it up perfectly saying that not matter how fans would rave about the pod-race, lightsabre duels, special effects or how they might try to rationalise its flaws, TPM was a bad movie by nearly every standard movies are usually judged. I still went and saw it over half a dozen times though.
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Post by The Lost One on Feb 21, 2017 13:24:21 GMT
This seems to be what people hating the prequel trilogy always claim these days but it's not how I remember things. When The Phantom Menace was released I went to see it and clearly remember newspaper reviews being mixed or positive with some negative reviews. That's one of the reasons I decided to go see it, despite never being the biggest Star Wars fan. Serious backlash did occur with Attack of the Clones which got the worst reviews of the prequels. Revenge of the Sith got mostly good reviews. Why people have this need to claim that the prequels were hated and ridiculed since day one is beyond me. I think it was a bit of a bandwagon. I was 14 when The Phantom Menace came out - about half the people I knew loved it, the other half thought it so-so. I think I only knew one person who hated it. A few months later, nearly everyone hated it. Same with Jar-Jar, a few people thought him annoying at first while others found him funny. Then a few months later he was the most despised fictional character ever. |
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Post by jammer81386 on Feb 22, 2017 2:07:27 GMT
I always felt that the Prequel trilogy gets way too much hate. I prefer the Original trilogy and can certainly find fault with the PT, but with the way people go on and on about them you would think that they were on par with Plan 9 from Outer Space. Despite their shortcomings, I do get enjoyment out of them. Similarly, the constant ire directed at Lucas and others is quite tiresome. Even if the films truly were as bad as they are made out to be, they are just films. It is not something worth burning bridges over. Of course there are reasons to hate the prequels, but honestly prequel hatred is just getting kind of old.
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Post by ck100 on Feb 22, 2017 2:10:37 GMT
As flawed as they are (and they are certainly flawed), the prequel films are not that bad. Certainly not as bad as people make them out to be.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 0:45:20 GMT
The prequels are really not that bad.
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Post by darthabe on Feb 23, 2017 5:24:44 GMT
This seems to be what people hating the prequel trilogy always claim these days but it's not how I remember things. When The Phantom Menace was released I went to see it and clearly remember newspaper reviews being mixed or positive with some negative reviews. That's one of the reasons I decided to go see it, despite never being the biggest Star Wars fan. Serious backlash did occur with Attack of the Clones which got the worst reviews of the prequels. Revenge of the Sith got mostly good reviews. Why people have this need to claim that the prequels were hated and ridiculed since day one is beyond me. The hatred came much later, after ROTS was released. I remember it really picking up after the rise of the YouTube movie critics around 2009 and 2010. I remember Red Letter Media's 1 hour review for each prequel movie pretty much ignited the worst of it. For years, those reviews were very much the ultimate criticism of the prequels and were the defacto response to any prequel fanboy. |
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Post by darthabe on Feb 23, 2017 5:27:44 GMT
As flawed as they are (and they are certainly flawed), the prequel films are not that bad. Certainly not as bad as people make them out to be. The only one that can really be considered bad was Attack of the Clones, for various reasons, but the poorly written romance and stiff acting was the biggest one for me. It was cool to see Obi Wan do some detective work though. |
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