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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 20:18:25 GMT
You're a basement-dwelling loser. You're a cum-gargling cocksucker. Someone is protesting too much....
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Post by kuatorises on Mar 10, 2017 20:18:40 GMT
This is absolutely ridiculous – and I voted yes on the poll.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 20:22:09 GMT
I'm against overly-sexual characters in family films in general. Beauty and the Beast isn't necessarily marketed only to children, though. I don't know. Gay people aren't going anywhere, and I don't think seeing gay characters in films will traumatize children. I just don't think there needs to be an agenda or special message about gay characters. If their character is gay, then that is only a small part of their character. A character's entire point of being in a film shouldn't just be so they can be gay. Gays IRL are more than their sexuality, and movie characters should reflect that.
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Post by jeffersoncody on Mar 10, 2017 21:00:53 GMT
Looking at the poll results, the high percentage of YES votes clearly indicates that the majority of posters on film General feel kids and family movies should have gay characters. It is also worth noting that virulently homophobic posters such as jamesavalon and m-slovak79 have gone silent, perhaps realizing they are out of step with the times.

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Post by THawk on Mar 10, 2017 21:02:07 GMT
Dude I already had this exact same discussion with another person in this same thread, and they never replied. Even if we skip ahead and take it is a "necessity" that movies "have" to be to be diverse, then why are 99.999% of other minority groups not even given a tiny ounce of the representation and attention gay people get on TV and movies? Why does "diversity" only mean gay people, and a very select few others? You're arguing that movies should not exclude any group? I'm right there with you. I don't see why any group should be excluded. No, not "outraged out of my mind". I've no idea what would make you think that. But I'm certainly with you in being fine with lots of diversity. It's good that we've found common ground to agree on. ....because you would need every movie to be about 50 hours long to include even a fair portion of minorities? Are there going to be native American characters in Beauty and the Best? Will there be Russians? Albinos? Former African child soldiers? No? Then man, why is Disney so bigoted and racist??
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Post by THawk on Mar 10, 2017 21:05:17 GMT
Looking at the poll results, the high percentage of YES votes clearly indicates that the majority of posters on film General feel kids and family movies should have gay characters. It is also worth noting that virulently homophobic posters such as jamesavalon and m-slovak79 have gone silence, perhaps realizing they are out of step with the times.

An overwhelming majority of internet message board users are also atheists or at least religiously unaffiliated. On this forum as well, you can check the official thread there. Obviously that goes very far from reflecting actual demographics.
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Post by jeffersoncody on Mar 10, 2017 21:15:39 GMT
Looking at the poll results, the high percentage of YES votes clearly indicates that the majority of posters on film General feel kids and family movies should have gay characters. It is also worth noting that virulently homophobic posters such as jamesavalon and m-slovak79 have gone silence, perhaps realizing they are out of step with the times.

An overwhelming majority of internet message board users are also atheists or at least religiously unaffiliated. On this forum as well, you can check the official thread there. Obviously that goes very far from reflecting actual demographics. Excuses excuses innsmouth. Next you are going to try and tell me Donald Trump didn't lose the popular vote by nearly three million votes. Are you trying to say that if there were more hillbillies and redneck conservative christians on this message board the NO vote would have been higher?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 21:18:11 GMT
You're arguing that movies should not exclude any group? I'm right there with you. I don't see why any group should be excluded. No, not "outraged out of my mind". I've no idea what would make you think that. But I'm certainly with you in being fine with lots of diversity. It's good that we've found common ground to agree on. ....because you would need every movie to be about 50 hours long to include even a fair portion of minorities? No, I don't desire every movie to have every possibly minority in them. That would be kind of silly. What I've actually said is that I don't think any minority should be excluded from movies as a whole, which is a slightly different thing. They're not being. They would only be bigoted if there were none of those in the movie because Disney had a policy of not having any such persons in any of their movies. You know, the kind of policy you suggested that they should have earlier on in the thread. But they don't have any such policy, that I know of. So not a problem. So, we've arrived at a point where we agree that nobody should be excluded?
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Post by scabab on Mar 10, 2017 21:19:50 GMT
No. The PC era needs to hurry up and end.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 21:37:32 GMT
No. The PC era needs to hurry up and end. Why?
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Post by deembastille on Mar 10, 2017 22:13:06 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 22:18:40 GMT
y ou're kidding, right? it gives people the 'right' to protest and WHINE about anything and everything Actually in any civilised country people always have the right to protest and whine about anything, regardless of PC culture. In fact it's one of the defining aspects of a civilised culture. I find that unbelievable. Who is it that is forcing you to listen to things you don't want to?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2017 0:53:36 GMT
Someone made the claim that it was 'pointless to continue' yet can't keep from replying again with nothing but whining and crying, since he's so pissed at having his ass handed to him by Yours Truly. New topic, Billy. Try to keep up.
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Post by THawk on Mar 11, 2017 2:17:42 GMT
....because you would need every movie to be about 50 hours long to include even a fair portion of minorities? No, I don't desire every movie to have every possibly minority in them. That would be kind of silly. What I've actually said is that I don't think any minority should be excluded from movies as a whole, which is a slightly different thing. They're not being. They would only be bigoted if there were none of those in the movie because Disney had a policy of not having any such persons in any of their movies. You know, the kind of policy you suggested that they should have earlier on in the thread. But they don't have any such policy, that I know of. So not a problem. So, we've arrived at a point where we agree that nobody should be excluded? I never said that I support a policy to exclude, as in never show for any reason, such people. If this was some random isolated incident and people were wildly protesting the mere inclusion of a minority character, regardless of which minority, yes that would be idiotic, and such people are fundamentalists. However, clearly people's agitation comes from the continued tidal wave of LGBT characters (taking into account the extreme minority percentage of the actual demographic) throughout Hollywood, and now spilling into Disney shows. It is very obviously shoving down a "message" people's throats, and effectively branding half the country bigots. Now whether some of those branded that way actually deserve that label is a separate question, but the point is Disney know it is divisive and do it anyway.
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Post by Doghouse6 on Mar 11, 2017 2:24:47 GMT
If provided a third option, such as "It's up to the artists to decide whether to include them, and up to consumers to decide what they'll watch," or even a rephrasing of the single question to, for instance, "Should the makers of kids & family movies have the freedom to include gay characters," I could have participated. But what Conspirologist presents is what Marisa Tomei so eloquently described in My Cousin Vinny as a bullshit question, and being forced into an invalid metric by someone with an axe to grind is something I - even, and especially, as a gay man - must reject. Thank you for that doghouse. I am in such agreement with you that I am now having doubts about my contributions to this thread - heartfelt as they have been. In fact, I am wondering if I should even have participated in the vote.
It was clear from the get-go that your intentions were the best, so all is well. Having spent the last decade contributing regularly to various political blogs, I know how tempting it can be to get pulled into skirmishes (of which I've certainly had my share) with people like Conspirologist and others on this thread who are quickly revealed to have excluded themselves from the sphere of rational discourse, claiming unassailable authority on matters about which they clearly know nothing, and which are fueled instead by a combination of only supposition, urban legend and old wives' tales, deliberate disinformation and outright hysteria. But I figure they may also provide a public service in their small ways: during the national debate over marriage equality, for instance, I noticed that the more hysterical opposition became, the more public support for legal equality increased (as, presumably, more and more people concluded, "What a bunch of crackpots...the hell with them and their nonsense"). Plus, the more time the crackpots spend at their keyboards firing off furious messages full of vitriol, the less time they're out in the real world doing serious damage.
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Post by CybeRider on Mar 11, 2017 3:02:22 GMT
What can they learn from gay characters when there is so much to apprehend from the well performed violence war and gore displayed everyday as common behaviour? Affection for another human being? As far as I last checked kids & family movies don't display sex scenes, hetero or gay, or at least they shouldn't. Give me a break!
By the way, Batman and Robin?... They never fooled me those two...
(Not to mention that everyone seems to be at ease with the love affair between Beauty and her beast)
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Mar 11, 2017 3:13:46 GMT
In the 80s Michael Eisner said it was lucky that Disney was now owned by people devoted to good as opposed to evil because the power the company had was awesome (as that pre-school found out when Disney forced them to remove images of Mickey and friends--its unlikely Walt would have cared, since he didnt care that Warner Bros. took the Bugs Bunny design from one of his cartoons). Modern Disney is a monster. They hate European heritage with a passion.
They want to promote a globalist monoculture and erase boundaries. In fact Eisner said it in the 90s--he wanted Disney to be "entertainer for the globe."
Disney was not able to do well without Walt at the helm, but now it has gone into a direction that is quickly validating all those ZOG conspiracy theories.
I dont care if someone is gay, but the idea that it should be normalized in children's films is not tolerance, it is an attack on family cohesion and forcing families to address sex at an early age--and I ask--why? If Disney was sincere about promoting a peaceful society, it would have kept Tibet in the Dr Strange movie, or it would have its media addressing rape in Europe or critiquing the Iraq invasion (instead of cheerleading for it).
The owners of Disney have the opposite sensibility of Walt-they despise the European, especially the blonde blue eyed Nordic type.
I can see why David Duke is having the best year of his life because the media companies are doing everything possible to validate his conspiracy theories.
I had no problem with Snagglepuss being gay though.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2017 3:41:49 GMT
Therefore your new reason for continuing is? None. It's a new topic, not a continuation of anything, homey. But it is amusing watching you trying to figure out something so obvious. Thanks for the entertainment, buddy! 
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2017 3:47:48 GMT
The only relevant topic here is how pissed you are. Looks good on you champ! Whatever you say, Texas Pete! 
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Post by jeffersoncody on Mar 11, 2017 6:13:40 GMT
Whatever you say, Texas Pete!  For what it is worth Jan El Señor, I have enjoyed many of your contributions to this thread. I'm guessing we are poles apart politically, but it is nice to know there are good, prejudice-free conservatives out there too.
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