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Post by THawk on Mar 19, 2017 2:04:54 GMT
If you're offended by family films acknowledging the existence of LGBT people, then you're frankly a horrible person and deserve to be offended. More idiotic statements, yet this is a very popular argument. These films are thinking much, much more than just "acknowledging the existence of LGBT people."
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Post by mslo79 on Mar 19, 2017 5:06:45 GMT
Jan El Señor but if you notice... i said i am a sinner like everyone else, which is the truth (i don't get a free pass with God). hence, no 'holier than thou' attitude. i am just simply telling people it's wrong and it's on them whether they want to ignore the truth or not. also, with the movie comment about me... it comes back to whether that breaks the "Thou shalt not steal" commandment or not. it's kinda a grey area with us humans but i understand that with God there is no grey area as it's either stealing or it's not. if i wanted to play it safe, i would not do it. but to be honest... even assuming i am wrong and it is stealing in the eyes of God, it won't be easy for me to stop because it's just something i been doing for ages and it's too convenient for me. but even assuming it is stealing i am pretty sure that would be under the 'venial sin' category in my religion which, while i should still stop doing it since sin is bad, it's not mortal sin (serious sin) territory as that stuff you definitely don't want to risk since if something is mortal sin territory it's something you could risk hell for where as venial sin you don't. but like i have said before... no one can cheat God so if i am in the wrong, ill have to pay the price for it. also, if you really want to get into that whole hypocrite line of thinking... i imagine you could call many (if not nearly all) Christians that simply because if someone does not live those standards to the letter, which it's not realistic for the average person to commit no sin at all since we are all sinners and are basically going to sin to some degree, then you can call them a hypocrite because they are technically doing what they are supposed to be against. just some thoughts deembastille i am sorry you feel this way, but don't let that push you away from the Truth. don't worry too much about what others think as in the end it's all about getting on God's good side which i realize won't be easy since we are all sinners. the truth is... no one is exempt from the laws of God. we all sin on some level and have to pay the price for it but i figure the main thing is to at least cut out any serious sin in ones life which regular prayer etc helps assists us in this area and try to be charitable to others where you can as that's basically a quick summary of it. also, you said... "I hardly see anyone from a non-Christian religion be like this" ... ...like i always say, if you want a easy religion don't go Catholic but if you want the Truth, then choose Catholic. it's not always easy to follow but it's the Church tied to Jesus Christ as it's basically the one He started with Peter and then passed down through the generations til today with Pope Francis. personally i prefer the Truth because in a basic sense we have a fallen nature after the fall of Adam/Eve and don't see things clearly (like stuff that's bad can appear appealing to us now) and it will sometimes be hard for us to do what is right. but we need God in our lives as He's our only hope as eventually your going to die here on earth and then you got one of two final destinations which is either heaven or hell. so basically hearing the Truth won't be easy since it forces us out of our comfort zones etc and i am sure we all have areas that we are weak in. while you make a good point, as people need to find ways to better protect kids in those unfortunate situations etc, it still does not change the fact that abortion is wrong, especially in those cases where someone gets it purely because they see the kid as a inconvenience to their lifestyle etc (basically done for no legitimate reason like if the mothers life is in danger would be a legit reason). also, their choice came when they choose to have sex or not and there is always a possibility one can become pregnant when having sex and they need to take responsibility for their actions but many just take the easy way out with abortion because i am willing to bet the vast majority of abortions are for petty reasons which boil down to inconvenience for the parent. hell, even if one wants to look at that abortion issue from a more worldly standpoint... since there is literally millions of people who were never born because of it, it's possible you could have had some people who could have went on to do great things in the world but won't now. p.s. while suffering appears pointless to the world it has a purpose within Christianity. but those who don't believe in God simply won't get this aspect. not saying it makes suffering easy, but can help a bit.
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Post by jeffersoncody on Mar 19, 2017 5:51:18 GMT
Well said spiderwort, and so true. What is most sad and scary, though, is that when the homophobes and bigots such as the ignorant palooka jamesavalon who you are replying to - or the notorious m-slovak79, read an intelligent, factual reply such as yours it does not even give them pause for thought, they just say nothing and simply continue posting their lies and distortions. Do you think this is because they lack the intelligence to understand what you are saying? Or, do you think they lack any form education? Or is is because they have been brainwashed since birth? No, our environments shape who we eventually become. It shapes what we like and what we don't like. It has a much greater impact than our most basic biological drives and homosexuality is proof. Now, if liberals weren't so desperate to maintain the idea we are all born with irresolute sexual preferences from the moment we are conceived, they would realize that this does not mean that people CHOOSE to be gay, which is almost wholly lost on people who are indeed brainwashed into this asinine politically correct position. If this is the case jamesavalon, why do the adopted children of gay males not turn out to be gay (unless, of course, the adopted child was born gay - then he or she would be gay or lesbian). Also, why do the children (adopted or otherwise) of lesbian couples not turn out to be gay ((unless, of course, the adopted child was born gay - then he or she would be gay or lesbian). Surely if it was a choice the children of gay or lebian couples whould CHOOSE to be gay, if choice is involved. Also, what on earth makes you think I identify as a liberal? or, for that matter, a consevervative?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 10:17:18 GMT
No, our environments shape who we eventually become. It shapes what we like and what we don't like. It has a much greater impact than our most basic biological drives and homosexuality is proof. Now, if liberals weren't so desperate to maintain the idea we are all born with irresolute sexual preferences from the moment we are conceived, they would realize that this does not mean that people CHOOSE to be gay, which is almost wholly lost on people who are indeed brainwashed into this asinine politically correct position. If this is the case jamesavalon, why do the adopted children of gay males not turn out to be gay (unless, of course, the adopted child was born gay - then he or she would be gay or lesbian). Also, why do the children (adopted or otherwise) of lesbian couples not turn out to be gay ((unless, of course, the adopted child was born gay - then he or she would be gay or lesbian). Surely if it was a choice the children of gay or lebian couples whould CHOOSE to be gay, if choice is involved. Also, what on earth makes you think I identify as a liberal? or, for that matter, a consevervative? Because you are an absolute simpleton. That's why. To you, it MUST be a gay influence or some such experience to turn a person gay. That's liberal 'logic' for ya. And, for the last, I never said it was a choice. Do liberals even know how to read any more?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 10:20:55 GMT
What's sad and scary is that people WANT to believe that people are born with certain exact sexual preferences to the extent they will overlook the very simple and undeniable fact that there is not a shred of scientific evidence to support it. Just because someone claims to have been born gay doesn't mean they were born gay. No person can have that kind of memory of their earliest years...scientifically, there is exactly NO proof that anyone is born homosexual. By that same token, there is no proof that anyone is born heterosexual. How can you have that kind of memory in your earliest years to know that you have to be attracted to the opposite sex? Why is of concern to you anyway, who somebody else likes to f<>k, be it same or opposite gender? Are you a control freak, that wants to tell others what to do and how to live their lives, just because somebody isn't living according to your own self-centered and self-absorbed rules. Are you insecure and fear the homos are going to take over? Of course there is proof people are born heterosexual. It's called procreation. Can two gay men have sex and produce a child? Can two lesbians? Is science really so challenging that we have to question this? I am talking the facts here. No one is born gay. That is a liberal fantasy and one that is substantiated by no facts whatsoever. You put a population of nothing but gay men on an island, totally isolated, and within a century no one would be left. Does that help you?
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Post by Jillian on Mar 19, 2017 10:26:59 GMT
@ original post. Yes, of course.
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Post by jeffersoncody on Mar 19, 2017 12:38:07 GMT
If this is the case jamesavalon, why do the adopted children of gay males not turn out to be gay (unless, of course, the adopted child was born gay - then he or she would be gay or lesbian). Also, why do the children (adopted or otherwise) of lesbian couples not turn out to be gay ((unless, of course, the adopted child was born gay - then he or she would be gay or lesbian). Surely if it was a choice the children of gay or lesbian couples would CHOOSE to be gay, if choice is involved. Also, what on earth makes you think I identify as a liberal? or, for that matter, a consevervative? Because you are an absolute simpleton. That's why. To you, it MUST be a gay influence or some such experience to turn a person gay. That's liberal 'logic' for ya. And, for the last, I never said it was a choice. Do liberals even know how to read any more? You are talking nonsense james. Also, re-read your reply to me and it will become apparent (perhaps - I realize you are not that bright ) even to you that you lack the ability to comprehend what I was saying. How can you say to me "TO you it MUST be a gay influence" when I am arguing that gay people are born that way. Clearly you are a cretin sir. Back up your argument with links to empirical, proven facts or shut up and f... off back to the trailer park or swamp you crawled out of.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 17:20:27 GMT
but if you notice... i said i am a sinner like everyone else, which is the truth (i don't get a free pass with God). hence, no 'holier than thou' attitude. i am just simply telling people it's wrong and it's on them whether they want to ignore the truth or not blah, blah, blah... Sounds like a whole lot of rationalization to get around something that's very simple....
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Post by vernuf on Mar 19, 2017 19:33:32 GMT
By that same token, there is no proof that anyone is born heterosexual. How can you have that kind of memory in your earliest years to know that you have to be attracted to the opposite sex? Why is of concern to you anyway, who somebody else likes to f<>k, be it same or opposite gender? Are you a control freak, that wants to tell others what to do and how to live their lives, just because somebody isn't living according to your own self-centered and self-absorbed rules. Are you insecure and fear the homos are going to take over? I agree and I take issue with introducing young children to this concept... I don't mean in a fantasy movie/show setting but a reality setting. I work in an elementary school and outside our social worker's office doors are these 'its okay to be gay' posters. I know they are MADE to post them but I just take issue with exposing really young children to this. like Prek students. little 4 year olds who still take naps during the day. they shouldn't know what gay is. if their parents are not comfortable with discussing this, why should the school showcase it? Why not? Gay people exist. They're going to be exposed to their existence and since fewer and fewer gay people are hiding their existence, that does mean it will happen in an uncontrolled environment. If it's such a hard thing, wouldn't it be better to have them learn in a controlled environment? No, the only reason to try to avoid it is bigotry, pure and simple.
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Post by vernuf on Mar 19, 2017 19:34:35 GMT
If this is the case jamesavalon, why do the adopted children of gay males not turn out to be gay (unless, of course, the adopted child was born gay - then he or she would be gay or lesbian). Also, why do the children (adopted or otherwise) of lesbian couples not turn out to be gay ((unless, of course, the adopted child was born gay - then he or she would be gay or lesbian). Surely if it was a choice the children of gay or lebian couples whould CHOOSE to be gay, if choice is involved. Also, what on earth makes you think I identify as a liberal? or, for that matter, a consevervative? Because you are an absolute simpleton. That's why. To you, it MUST be a gay influence or some such experience to turn a person gay. That's liberal 'logic' for ya. And, for the last, I never said it was a choice. Do liberals even know how to read any more? Do you even know how to argue against actual arguments or are straw men the only ones you can argue against?
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Post by vernuf on Mar 19, 2017 19:35:26 GMT
If you're offended by family films acknowledging the existence of LGBT people, then you're frankly a horrible person and deserve to be offended. More idiotic statements, yet this is a very popular argument. These films are thinking much, much more than just "acknowledging the existence of LGBT people." And yet, you can't provide any examples. Talking about idiotic statements. Of course, if you weren't such an idiotic bigot, you'd realize that this thread is specifically about just that, acknowledging the existence of gay people. Nothing more than that. No messages about gay rights, for or against. Just that they exist.
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Post by scienceisgod on Mar 19, 2017 19:44:34 GMT
More idiotic statements, yet this is a very popular argument. These films are thinking much, much more than just "acknowledging the existence of LGBT people." And yet, you can't provide any examples. Talking about idiotic statements. How does this sell more movie tickets?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 23:22:59 GMT
Because you are an absolute simpleton. That's why. To you, it MUST be a gay influence or some such experience to turn a person gay. That's liberal 'logic' for ya. And, for the last, I never said it was a choice. Do liberals even know how to read any more? You are talking nonsense james. Also, re-read your reply to me and it will become apparent (perhaps - I realize you are not that bright ) even to you that you lack the ability to comprehend what I was saying. How can you say to me "TO you it MUST be a gay influence" when I am arguing that gay people are born that way. Clearly you are a cretin sir. Back up your argument with links to empirical, proven facts or shut up and f... off back to the trailer park or swamp you crawled out of. Ok, prove to me that people are born gay. Provide the gay gene.
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Post by THawk on Mar 19, 2017 23:40:27 GMT
More idiotic statements, yet this is a very popular argument. These films are thinking much, much more than just "acknowledging the existence of LGBT people." And yet, you can't provide any examples. Talking about idiotic statements. Of course, if you weren't such an idiotic bigot, you'd realize that this thread is specifically about just that, acknowledging the existence of gay people. Nothing more than that. No messages about gay rights, for or against. Just that they exist. Lol, are you for real? So the fact that in virtually every single TV show today, and with a growing presence in movies as well, LGBT people are present all over the place despite being an extremely small 3-4 percent of the total population, and 99.99% of that presentation is neutral or positive....isn't a message of any sort? Just a public service announcement that they exist? Complete coincidence? If that's the case, where are the hundreds of thousands of other minority groups that aren't given even an ounce of the presentation LGBT people are?
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Post by mslo79 on Mar 20, 2017 5:23:23 GMT
Jan El Señor bottom line... people just don't like me and turn to the insults (i am not accusing you of this but others around here) because i am speaking out against the whole gay agenda which is frowned on (largely by liberals) in the current world even though what i say is true in the eyes of Jesus Christ and He's God so His views on what's right and wrong are absolute. it can't really get any simpler than that.
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Post by gomezaddams666 on Mar 20, 2017 6:01:44 GMT
A sanitized society is a boring one.
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Post by jeffersoncody on Mar 20, 2017 6:05:08 GMT
If this is the case jamesavalon, why do the adopted children of gay males not turn out to be gay (unless, of course, the adopted child was born gay - then he or she would be gay or lesbian). Also, why do the children (adopted or otherwise) of lesbian couples not turn out to be gay ((unless, of course, the adopted child was born gay - then he or she would be gay or lesbian). Surely if it was a choice the children of gay or lebian couples whould CHOOSE to be gay, if choice is involved. Also, what on earth makes you think I identify as a liberal? or, for that matter, a consevervative? Because you are an absolute simpleton. That's why. To you, it MUST be a gay influence or some such experience to turn a person gay. That's liberal 'logic' for ya. And, for the last, I never said it was a choice. Do liberals even know how to read any more? James, I asked you first. Once you have provided proof - which you can't - of your bullshit theory I will provide proof.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 6:08:09 GMT
Because you are an absolute simpleton. That's why. To you, it MUST be a gay influence or some such experience to turn a person gay. That's liberal 'logic' for ya. And, for the last, I never said it was a choice. Do liberals even know how to read any more? James, I asked you first. Once you have provided proof, I will provide proof. I don't have to prove people are born gay since I didn't make the claim. LOL
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Post by gomezaddams666 on Mar 20, 2017 6:15:34 GMT
Family films should not have priests, they are pedophiles.
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Post by jeffersoncody on Mar 20, 2017 6:50:13 GMT
Jan El Señor bottom line... * people just don't like me and turn to the insults (i am not accusing you of this but others around here) because i am speaking out against the whole gay agenda which is frowned on (largely by liberals) in the current world EVEN THOUGH WHAT I SAY IS TRUE IN THE EYES OF JESUS CHRIST AND HE'S GOD. HIS VIEWS ON WHAT IS IS RIGHT AND WRONG ARE ABSOLUTE. it can't really get any simpler than that. That is, without a shadow of a doubt, the biggest crock of shit I have read on these boards m-slovak79. You have never met God, and neither has anybody else. You have not touched God, you have not felt God, you have not seen God, you have not heard God, you have not smelt God. And neither has anybody else. There is not a shred of proof for the existence of God. Man invented God to help human beings cope with their fear of death. What you call "the whole gay agenda" is simply a righteous and fair demand for equal rights. Gay people don't need or want your love, they just want equal rights. Apart from being deluded, you are sickeningly self righteous and self involved. However, you are welcome to believe whatever nonsense you want to if it helps you make it through the night and keeps you from binging on hardcore pornography. Just leave the hatred and condemnation of what you don't understand out of it. * I do not hate you, but I do pity you. However, just because I feel sorry for you does not mean I am going to shut up when you say evil and heinous things about people burning in hell jand being punished by God for no other reason than because they were born gay and fell in love with and made made love to folk of the same gender. Now let's pretend for a moment that God is real and that he does punish people for doing bad things on earth when they die and go to heaven. If this is the case, your "God" will be so busy punishing murderers, rapists, terrorists, and not only the tens of thousands of predatory Catholic priests who have abused, raped and molested children for centuries, but also their superiors in the church who have turned a blind eyes to their evil , hideously harmful and horribly hurtful deeds and covered up for them and enabled them, that he/she wouldn't have the time or the inclination to punish gay men and lesbian women for having consensual sex with people of the same gender. Think about it dude!
So let me ask you a question m-slovak79. Do you think your "God" is going to punish all the tens of thousands of predatory Cathoic priests for their heinous, unthinkably cruel crimes against children (and, by extension, humanity in general) and ensure they burn in the fires of hell for eternity?
Don't you think that the "sin" of having consensual sex with folk of the same gender is a very small and slight sin (which hurts no one) when compared to the evil and heinous crime of raping, abusing and molesting innocent children; ensuring that their lives (the children) are forever scarred and damaged?
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