Post by mslo79 on Mar 20, 2017 8:05:58 GMT
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so someone has to meet God face to face in order to know his views on things?
it's pretty clear cut the whole 'sex between two of the same sex' is against God (i.e. The Holy Trinity(Father/Son(Jesus Christ)/Holy Spirit)). i am not going to bother commenting anymore as if you don't get it by now you probably never will.
we know this from tradition and the bible etc. while we obviously don't know EVERYTHING about God we do know enough from the bible etc.
this is our core difference as i see things differently. but when it comes to God it boils down to this for most people it seems...
i always heard faith is a gift from God but i always wondered why some people (like myself) have it while others seem to struggle with it etc.
also, stuff like... Miracle of the Sun at Fatima (Oct 13th 2017 will be it's 100th anniversary)/Eucharistic miracles/Our Lady of Guadalupe image from the year 1531/people like St Pio (1887-1968) etc etc (stuff that can't be easily explained away ). there is at least some plausible stuff out there if people can see but in the mind of some atheist's they deny deny deny no matter what which basically comes back to that quote. with that said... i realize that belief in God is largely a faith thing though but i don't think it entirely is.
Given enough of them have the mindset of "do what we want or else" i think it's a bit more than just that.
also, true Marriage will always be between a man+woman. everything else goes against what's right basically. so naturally us Christians won't accept stuff we think is immoral but they call it "equal rights" etc.
i understand it pretty well and you can't seem to grasp it's not hatred. it's simply correcting the error of ones ways which is a good thing, not a bad thing.
what evil/heinous things did i say?
also, i can't judge gay people as i would have assumed you would know this by now as it's ultimately between them and God. i am just simply saying certain sins are serious and someone can risk hell for them even though in many cases it can be difficult to determine whether someone truly crossed the line and sinned mortally. but we do know that sex between two of the same sex is under the serious sin category so we know the potential of mortal sin is there since it's of grave matter.
also, even assuming someone is born gay is true... just being gay (like attraction to the same sex as oneself) is not a sin until one acts on it basically. God does love ALL people but He cannot act like sin is no big deal because it's harms us etc.
You underestimate the power of God given this info.
also, you act like it's a common thing that priest's etc abuse children which is obviously not true. but those cases of abuse within the Catholic church just gives those who don't like the Catholic church in the first place more reason to dis it.
Those who sexually abuse children and the like will be punished by God but they can still repent and turn back towards God as like i have mentioned before God will forgive ANYTHING (they say mercy is His greatest attribute) if your truly sorry for it and try to change your ways etc. but don't mistake that for license to commit any sins you want thinking ill just be sorry for them later etc because sin is not free as even once God forgives your sins you still have to pay God back for all of the wrong one has done in their lives basically which is either paid for in this life or in the next through purgatory (assuming one does not end up in hell, purgatory is likely where one will be not long after death after God judges a person assuming they don't end up in hell) before eventually reaching heaven.
also, the way i understand it is those who end up in hell pretty much choose it for themselves given their choices/actions in this life here on earth. so it's not really that God sends them to hell it's that they choose it by rejecting God, who is love, and the alternative to that... hell(which is full of hate/evil etc).
well between the two choices there... obviously the sexual abuse of Children is more heinous than two of the same sex having sex. but it does not take some evil murderer and the like to reach hell as if you believe the message from The Mother of God at Fatima she's said "The sins which cause most souls to go to hell are the sins of the flesh." (i.e. sexual sins) which makes sense since the vast majority of us are not going to commit rape or murder or the like but it's easy to see how a lot of people fall to sexual sins since it's pretty much our strongest(or at least one of the strongest) desire and one can be easily overcome by it and, in short, we need help from God, which comes through regular prayer etc, which obtains grace from God to resist temptation to sin etc.
but that 'not hurting anyone' comment, only appears that way.
That is, without a shadow of a doubt, the biggest crock of shit I have read on these boards m-slovak79. You have never met God, and neither has anybody else.
so someone has to meet God face to face in order to know his views on things?
it's pretty clear cut the whole 'sex between two of the same sex' is against God (i.e. The Holy Trinity(Father/Son(Jesus Christ)/Holy Spirit)). i am not going to bother commenting anymore as if you don't get it by now you probably never will.
we know this from tradition and the bible etc. while we obviously don't know EVERYTHING about God we do know enough from the bible etc.
There is not a shred of proof for the existence of God. Man invented God to help human beings cope with their fear of death.
this is our core difference as i see things differently. but when it comes to God it boils down to this for most people it seems...
To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible. - St Thomas Aquinas
i always heard faith is a gift from God but i always wondered why some people (like myself) have it while others seem to struggle with it etc.
also, stuff like... Miracle of the Sun at Fatima (Oct 13th 2017 will be it's 100th anniversary)/Eucharistic miracles/Our Lady of Guadalupe image from the year 1531/people like St Pio (1887-1968) etc etc (stuff that can't be easily explained away ). there is at least some plausible stuff out there if people can see but in the mind of some atheist's they deny deny deny no matter what which basically comes back to that quote. with that said... i realize that belief in God is largely a faith thing though but i don't think it entirely is.
What you call "the whole gay agenda" is simply a righteous and fair demand for equal rights. Gay people don't need or want your love, they just want equal rights.
Given enough of them have the mindset of "do what we want or else" i think it's a bit more than just that.
also, true Marriage will always be between a man+woman. everything else goes against what's right basically. so naturally us Christians won't accept stuff we think is immoral but they call it "equal rights" etc.
Just leave the hatred and condemnation of what you don't understand out of it.
i understand it pretty well and you can't seem to grasp it's not hatred. it's simply correcting the error of ones ways which is a good thing, not a bad thing.
I do not hate you, but I do pity you. However, just because I feel sorry for you does not mean I am going to shut up when you say evil and heinous things about people burning in hell jand being punished by God for no other reason than because they were born gay and fell in love with and made made love to folk of the same gender.
what evil/heinous things did i say?
also, i can't judge gay people as i would have assumed you would know this by now as it's ultimately between them and God. i am just simply saying certain sins are serious and someone can risk hell for them even though in many cases it can be difficult to determine whether someone truly crossed the line and sinned mortally. but we do know that sex between two of the same sex is under the serious sin category so we know the potential of mortal sin is there since it's of grave matter.
also, even assuming someone is born gay is true... just being gay (like attraction to the same sex as oneself) is not a sin until one acts on it basically. God does love ALL people but He cannot act like sin is no big deal because it's harms us etc.
If this is the case, your "God" will be so busy punishing murderers, rapists, terrorists, and not only the tens of thousands of predatory Catholic priests who have abused, raped and molested children for centuries, but also their superiors in the church who have turned a blind eyes to their evil , hideously harmful and horribly hurtful deeds and covered up for them and enabled them, that he/she wouldn't have the time or the inclination to punish gay men and lesbian women for having consensual sex with people of the same gender. Think about it dude!
You underestimate the power of God given this info.
also, you act like it's a common thing that priest's etc abuse children which is obviously not true. but those cases of abuse within the Catholic church just gives those who don't like the Catholic church in the first place more reason to dis it.
So let me ask you a question m-slovak79. Do you think your "God" is going to punish all the tens of thousands of predatory Cathoic priests for their heinous, unthinkably cruel crimes against children (and, by extension, humanity in general) and ensure they burn in the fires of hell for eternity?
Those who sexually abuse children and the like will be punished by God but they can still repent and turn back towards God as like i have mentioned before God will forgive ANYTHING (they say mercy is His greatest attribute) if your truly sorry for it and try to change your ways etc. but don't mistake that for license to commit any sins you want thinking ill just be sorry for them later etc because sin is not free as even once God forgives your sins you still have to pay God back for all of the wrong one has done in their lives basically which is either paid for in this life or in the next through purgatory (assuming one does not end up in hell, purgatory is likely where one will be not long after death after God judges a person assuming they don't end up in hell) before eventually reaching heaven.
also, the way i understand it is those who end up in hell pretty much choose it for themselves given their choices/actions in this life here on earth. so it's not really that God sends them to hell it's that they choose it by rejecting God, who is love, and the alternative to that... hell(which is full of hate/evil etc).
Don't you think that the "sin" of having consensual sex with folk of the same gender is a very small and slight sin (which hurts no one) when compared to the evil and heinous crime of raping, abusing and molesting innocent children; ensuring that their lives (the children) are forever scarred and damaged?
well between the two choices there... obviously the sexual abuse of Children is more heinous than two of the same sex having sex. but it does not take some evil murderer and the like to reach hell as if you believe the message from The Mother of God at Fatima she's said "The sins which cause most souls to go to hell are the sins of the flesh." (i.e. sexual sins) which makes sense since the vast majority of us are not going to commit rape or murder or the like but it's easy to see how a lot of people fall to sexual sins since it's pretty much our strongest(or at least one of the strongest) desire and one can be easily overcome by it and, in short, we need help from God, which comes through regular prayer etc, which obtains grace from God to resist temptation to sin etc.
but that 'not hurting anyone' comment, only appears that way.