|
Post by mslo79 on Mar 5, 2017 7:41:32 GMT
FridayOnElmStreetIt's us conservatives that are against the whole gay agenda because we tend to believe in God unlike liberals who tend to be more of the atheist type (i realize this is not always the case but generally speaking i think this is largely accurate) and that stuff goes against God. so it's not hard to see why us conservatives are against it. also, religion/belief in God is not brainwashing as it's the Truth and promoting the whole gay agenda goes against the Truth. so naturally we are not going to support something we think is morally wrong. actual sex between two of the same sex is a sin and cannot be accepted/promoted by society as normal. also, it's seems the super young generations have been brainwashed by the whole promotion of the gay agenda over this past 15 years or so and now (basically the 2000's to date is when you can really see the promoting of it in the mainstream ramp up(which by the year 2000 i was 20 going on 21 years old)) and it's having it's effect on the young generations, especially those who don't believe in God so they just go with whatever is popular in socieity. but liberals in general tend to be most opposed to God in their beliefs so it's not surprising many of them think it's no big deal along with a lot of other immoral things. the supreme court should have never passed gay marriage as instead of doing what's right (i.e. rejecting gay marriage) they choose to cave into what's popular currently. but i am sure it's because liberals had majority control in the supereme court but thank God us conservatives will have majority control back in the supreme court soon. also, not supporting gays does not make one "anti-gay" as we don't wish harm on gays and the like (they are still God's children to and God loves them) but we cannot support the gay agenda and all of the other immoral BS out there liberals promote etc like abortion which is a huge problem since it's murder in the eyes of God and liberals are backwards here to as they put a persons "choice" higher than a persons right to life when it should be the other way around. but speaking of that "choice"... think about what they are really choosing from in a very basic sense, which is... whether to let their baby live or die. that sound right to you? ; that's clearly wrong. but those who don't believe in God are that much less likely to value human life etc since if you think this life is all their is (like atheists do) then it would be much easier to think abortion is no big deal and many other immoral things that those of us who do believe in God know better since we know this life is not all their is and our choices/actions here effect were we ultimately end up in the next life as it's either heaven or hell. you don't want to be on the wrong side of that one. p.s. i am not saying us conservatives are perfect or anything as we are all(as in humanity) sinners but it makes no sense to promote/accept immoral things as the more sin there is in the world the worse things tend to get in general since society as a whole drifts further away from God and pays the price for it and it slowly gets more and more depraved. John 18:37...
|
|
|
Post by FridayOnElmStreet on Mar 5, 2017 7:59:49 GMT
FridayOnElmStreet It's us conservatives that are against the whole gay agenda because we tend to believe in God unlike liberals who tend to be more of the atheist type (i realize this is not always the case but generally speaking i think this is largely accurate) and that stuff goes against God. so it's not hard to see why us conservatives are against it. also, religion/belief in God is not brainwashing as it's the Truth and promoting the whole gay agenda goes against the Truth. so naturally we are not going to support something we think is morally wrong. actual sex between two of the same sex is a sin and cannot be accepted/promoted by society as normal. also, it's seems the super young generations have been brainwashed by the whole promotion of the gay agenda over this past 15 years or so and now (basically the 2000's to date is when you can really see the promoting of it in the mainstream ramp up(which by the year 2000 i was 20 going on 21 years old)) and it's having it's effect on the young generations, especially those who don't believe in God so they just go with whatever is popular in socieity. but liberals in general tend to be most opposed to God in their beliefs so it's not surprising many of them think it's no big deal along with a lot of other immoral things. the supreme court should have never passed gay marriage as instead of doing what's right (i.e. rejecting gay marriage) they choose to cave into what's popular currently. but i am sure it's because liberals had majority control in the supereme court but thank God us conservatives will have majority control back in the supreme court soon. also, not supporting gays does not make one "anti-gay" as we don't wish harm on gays and the like (they are still God's children to and God loves them) but we cannot support the gay agenda and all of the other immoral BS out there liberals promote etc like abortion which is a huge problem since it's murder in the eyes of God and liberals are backwards here to as they put a persons "choice" higher than a persons right to life when it should be the other way around. but speaking of that "choice"... think about what they are really choosing from in a very basic sense, which is... whether to let their baby live or die. that sound right to you? ; that's clearly wrong. but those who don't believe in God are that much less likely to value human life etc since if you think this life is all their is (like atheists do) then it would be much easier to think abortion is no big deal and many other immoral things that those of us who do believe in God know better since we know this life is not all their is and our choices/actions here effect were we ultimately end up in the next life as it's either heaven or hell. you don't want to be on the wrong side of that one. p.s. i am not saying us conservatives are perfect or anything as we are all(as in humanity) sinners but it makes no sense to promote/accept immoral things as the more sin there is in the world the worse things tend to get in general since society as a whole drifts further away from God and pays the price for it and it slowly gets more and more depraved. John 18:37... Wow. Thats some bigoted KKK like propaganda there. After reading that Im damn happy I got rid of relgion in my life.
|
|
|
Post by mslo79 on Mar 5, 2017 13:24:59 GMT
FridayOnElmStreetIt's got nothing to do with being a bigot, but to do what right and wrong. your life might have gotten easier without religion, but at what cost in the long run? ; the Truth ain't always easy to follow but i would rather have it a bit harder and follow the Truth knowing things will be okay in the long run then dump religion and have it easy (or easier) and live in a bunch of sin and potentially risk hell for it as nothing on this earth is worth losing your eternal soul for. also, the definition of bigot comes up with "a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions."... but that's like saying if someone feels something is okay then we should accept it. it does not work like that as there is a such thing as right and wrong, or good and evil, and you can't just change that to suit your own potentially sinful lifestyle. because since humanity has a fallen nature after the fall of Adam/Eve we will likely choose sin in many cases given it looks appealing to us and we can't see anything wrong with it even though we can know it's bad simply because Jesus Christ tells us it is etc etc. ill just leave with this quote from Fulton J Sheen (1895-1979)...
|
|
|
Post by The Duck of Death on Mar 5, 2017 14:50:26 GMT
I'm not opposed to that, so sure.
|
|
|
Post by grindovermatter on Mar 5, 2017 15:17:45 GMT
Sure, why not?
ParaNorman is a great example of an excellent family film that included a gay character in a moment that at first watch seemed like a simple joke, but ultimately was the punchline to a deeper message. I think that film is criminally underrated and especially important in our current climate.
|
|
TheSowIsMine
Junior Member
@thesowismine
Posts: 2,652
Likes: 1,684
|
Post by TheSowIsMine on Mar 5, 2017 15:18:49 GMT
Sure, why not.
|
|
|
Post by Ass_E9 on Mar 5, 2017 16:38:38 GMT
Well, I rather no one on any position on the sexual spectrum engage in graphic sex onscreen in a kids and family movie.
|
|
|
Post by politicidal on Mar 5, 2017 17:12:34 GMT
Yes but not every family movie needs them. I hate to say it but the director and Gad brought a lot of negativity on the film's release with playing this up and then walking back from it. Now Russia is threatening not to release it.
|
|
|
Post by captainchrisredfield on Mar 5, 2017 19:05:14 GMT
Yes, but only if it doesn't go too far. In my opinion, kids/family movies shouldn't have sexual content anyway. So if characters fall in love (gay or straight), than it's okay. Making it the main focus of the whole movie on the other hand wouldn't be good for a family movie.
|
|
|
Post by FridayOnElmStreet on Mar 5, 2017 19:06:15 GMT
FridayOnElmStreet It's got nothing to do with being a bigot, but to do what right and wrong. your life might have gotten easier without religion, but at what cost in the long run? ; the Truth ain't always easy to follow but i would rather have it a bit harder and follow the Truth knowing things will be okay in the long run then dump religion and have it easy (or easier) and live in a bunch of sin and potentially risk hell for it as nothing on this earth is worth losing your eternal soul for. also, the definition of bigot comes up with "a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions."... but that's like saying if someone feels something is okay then we should accept it. it does not work like that as there is a such thing as right and wrong, or good and evil, and you can't just change that to suit your own potentially sinful lifestyle. because since humanity has a fallen nature after the fall of Adam/Eve we will likely choose sin in many cases given it looks appealing to us and we can't see anything wrong with it even though we can know it's bad simply because Jesus Christ tells us it is etc etc. ill just leave with this quote from Fulton J Sheen (1895-1979)... You keep making yourself look worse.
|
|
|
Post by yezziqa on Mar 5, 2017 19:23:10 GMT
We have an obligation to teach our children about the world and films are an excellent tool for doing that. So of course there should be different types of characters. I wonder if those opposed shield their children from school to? You make damn sure that no real history is taught and you check to see that their math teacher is not gay i presume?
|
|
|
Post by captainchrisredfield on Mar 5, 2017 19:35:01 GMT
FridayOnElmStreet It's got nothing to do with being a bigot, but to do what right and wrong. your life might have gotten easier without religion, but at what cost in the long run? ; the Truth ain't always easy to follow but i would rather have it a bit harder and follow the Truth knowing things will be okay in the long run then dump religion and have it easy (or easier) and live in a bunch of sin and potentially risk hell for it as nothing on this earth is worth losing your eternal soul for. also, the definition of bigot comes up with "a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions."... but that's like saying if someone feels something is okay then we should accept it. it does not work like that as there is a such thing as right and wrong, or good and evil, and you can't just change that to suit your own potentially sinful lifestyle. because since humanity has a fallen nature after the fall of Adam/Eve we will likely choose sin in many cases given it looks appealing to us and we can't see anything wrong with it even though we can know it's bad simply because Jesus Christ tells us it is etc etc. ill just leave with this quote from Fulton J Sheen (1895-1979)... You're sure, that you're on the right forum?
|
|
|
Post by THawk on Mar 5, 2017 20:59:12 GMT
The problem is not whether or not they have anything of one kind or another, the problem is whether that comes out of genuine storytelling, or whether it is pretty much riding the flow of the expectation and "diversity" mandates of society. Which here is very much the latter. People dislike the word "brainwashing" and immediately think only some nutjob cons use it, but to certain degrees, it is applicable here.
|
|
|
Post by THawk on Mar 5, 2017 21:03:10 GMT
We have an obligation to teach our children about the world and films are an excellent tool for doing that. So of course there should be different types of characters. I wonder if those opposed shield their children from school to? You make damn sure that no real history is taught and you check to see that their math teacher is not gay i presume? 1) Since when are movies and art obligated to perfectly please the diversity needs of every group of society, rather than simply follow the needs of the story? 2) Gay people are an extreme minority in society, the entire lgbt field is 3-4 percent. So where exactly are the hundreds of thousands of other minority groups in society that are equally or a bigger portion of the population, yet don't get even 0.01 of the representation lgbt get? Where are the campaigns to have a deaf character in every other movie, or a blind character etc. etc. etc. ?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 21:44:29 GMT
I don't know why they should. Are they going to start creating bisexual, divorced and adulterous characters too? Why not represent the whole spectrum of sexuality?
These are CARTOONS for crissakes! Why assign a sexuality to them?
|
|
|
Post by yezziqa on Mar 5, 2017 21:59:32 GMT
We have an obligation to teach our children about the world and films are an excellent tool for doing that. So of course there should be different types of characters. I wonder if those opposed shield their children from school to? You make damn sure that no real history is taught and you check to see that their math teacher is not gay i presume? 1) Since when are movies and art obligated to perfectly please the diversity needs of every group of society, rather than simply follow the needs of the story? 2) Gay people are an extreme minority in society, the entire lgbt field is 3-4 percent. So where exactly are the hundreds of thousands of other minority groups in society that are equally or a bigger portion of the population, yet don't get even 0.01 of the representation lgbt get? Where are the campaigns to have a deaf character in every other movie, or a blind character etc. etc. etc. ? 1. Stories for children have always been educational. Read fairy tales (not the edited modern ones), they are often based on history, the religion or have ethical lessons to teach children. Why are you afraid of having a good time and at the same time learning something? 2 Are the hearing impaired or the visually impaired often subjects of hate? Is there a desperarat need of normalizing their lifestyle in order to prevent future hate crimes?
|
|
|
Post by THawk on Mar 5, 2017 23:09:13 GMT
1) Since when are movies and art obligated to perfectly please the diversity needs of every group of society, rather than simply follow the needs of the story? 2) Gay people are an extreme minority in society, the entire lgbt field is 3-4 percent. So where exactly are the hundreds of thousands of other minority groups in society that are equally or a bigger portion of the population, yet don't get even 0.01 of the representation lgbt get? Where are the campaigns to have a deaf character in every other movie, or a blind character etc. etc. etc. ? 1. Stories for children have always been educational. Read fairy tales (not the edited modern ones), they are often based on history, the religion or have ethical lessons to teach children. Why are you afraid of having a good time and at the same time learning something? 2 Are the hearing impaired or the visually impaired often subjects of hate? Is there a desperarat need of normalizing their lifestyle in order to prevent future hate crimes? 1. Yes, the fairy tales have quite a fair bit of religion in them. Which is completely eradicated from the versions of Disney, ABC etc. put out. Mentions of religion, talk of God etc. is not allowed because it would be "offensive" - and you have no issue with that - but think that including lgbt characters is somehow "educational" ? 2. Now this is even most absurd. No, in modern day society lgbt people are not subjected to any more hate than anyone else who is different, a minority etc. And yes, for your information the visually impaired are bullied too. The whole "woah is me, only my people are targeted" is complete and total bullcrap. Just because you don't know the experience of other people doesn't mean you get to judge. Also, the idea that gay lifestyles are normal is a point of view, not a fact you can shove down society's throat. I'm not saying at all whether I agree with it or not, in fact I truly don't care - but it's a political position that divides society, and generally family friendly material is supposed to avoid that. I am 100% of that opinion even if it was trying to push ideas completely support.
|
|
|
Post by yezziqa on Mar 5, 2017 23:52:54 GMT
1. Stories for children have always been educational. Read fairy tales (not the edited modern ones), they are often based on history, the religion or have ethical lessons to teach children. Why are you afraid of having a good time and at the same time learning something? 2 Are the hearing impaired or the visually impaired often subjects of hate? Is there a desperarat need of normalizing their lifestyle in order to prevent future hate crimes? 1. Yes, the fairy tales have quite a fair bit of religion in them. Which is completely eradicated from the versions of Disney, ABC etc. put out. Mentions of religion, talk of God etc. is not allowed because it would be "offensive" - and you have no issue with that - but think that including lgbt characters is somehow "educational" ? Religion is a choise, homosexuality isn't. Really? Is that why homosexual are not allowed to drive in Russia? Or why homosexuality is seen as a crime in some countries? Or were you just thinking f the little square you live in? You think bullying and hate crimes are the same thing? Now you are just making stuff up. Have you even meet a homosexual person IRL?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 23:56:31 GMT
I see no reason why they shouldn't have gay characters in any given movie.
|
|
|
Post by THawk on Mar 6, 2017 0:08:40 GMT
1. Yes, the fairy tales have quite a fair bit of religion in them. Which is completely eradicated from the versions of Disney, ABC etc. put out. Mentions of religion, talk of God etc. is not allowed because it would be "offensive" - and you have no issue with that - but think that including lgbt characters is somehow "educational" ? Religion is a choise, homosexuality isn't. Really? Is that why homosexual are not allowed to drive in Russia? Or why homosexuality is seen as a crime in some countries? Or were you just thinking f the little square you live in? You think bullying and hate crimes are the same thing? Now you are just making stuff up. Have you even meet a homosexual person IRL? 1) How....in the world does that answer the question? You are ok with them washing away religion from these stories because religion is a "choice" ? What? 2) I don't live in America. But we are clearly talking about America. Yes gay people are killed in some places around the world. Christians are beheaded and crucified in Iraq and Syria. Hindus are heavily persecuted in Pakistan. Atheists are killed on the streets of Bangladesh. Is your point that family-centered films are supposed to tackle all the great injustices of the world? Or is just one in particular to the exclusion of all others ok with you? 3) What in the world am I "making up?" I don't have a problem with anyone. I said that society is greatly divided over the issue and it is highly controversial. That's reality. Hence this thread.
|
|