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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 1:18:30 GMT
I don't know that kids & family movies "should" have gay characters. But, they should reflect the people that make up our society. Just the way you expect to see blacks, Hispanics, Asians, etc. in the movie because they are the people we live with in society, if a gay person naturally works into the story, I don't have a problem with it. I don't think the movie should be about that person, or over emphasize that person, but you should not pretend that gay people do not exist when making a movie, even when making a kids & family movie. Why should they reflect our society? That makes no sense. I hate political correctness and affirmative action and this idea we must always be 'diverse'.
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Post by moviemouth on Mar 6, 2017 3:40:26 GMT
It's stupid that they made one of the characters in Beauty and the Beast gay but I don't see why children's movie shouldn't incude gay characters. Gay people are real and live in the world afterall and most people run into a gay person on a daily basis.
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Post by moviemouth on Mar 6, 2017 3:47:14 GMT
I don't know why they should. Are they going to start creating bisexual, divorced and adulterous characters too? Why not represent the whole spectrum of sexuality?
These are CARTOONS for crissakes! Why assign a sexuality to them? They already assign sexuality to cartoon characters and have for more than 50 years. Straight characters. Most Disney movies involve romantic plots involving the love between a man and a woman or a male animal and a female animal. Many animated movies deal with death and murder and those are also adult themes.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Mar 6, 2017 3:56:59 GMT
I don't know that kids & family movies "should" have gay characters. But, they should reflect the people that make up our society. Just the way you expect to see blacks, Hispanics, Asians, etc. in the movie because they are the people we live with in society, if a gay person naturally works into the story, I don't have a problem with it. I don't think the movie should be about that person, or over emphasize that person, but you should not pretend that gay people do not exist when making a movie, even when making a kids & family movie. Yep. Besides, kinda like sports teams which have always had gay players whether anyone likes &/or believes it or not, animated/family universe seems to have always had its fair share of gay characters.
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Post by moviemouth on Mar 6, 2017 3:58:27 GMT
I don't know that kids & family movies "should" have gay characters. But, they should reflect the people that make up our society. Just the way you expect to see blacks, Hispanics, Asians, etc. in the movie because they are the people we live with in society, if a gay person naturally works into the story, I don't have a problem with it. I don't think the movie should be about that person, or over emphasize that person, but you should not pretend that gay people do not exist when making a movie, even when making a kids & family movie. Why should they reflect our society? That makes no sense. I hate political correctness and affirmative action and this idea we must always be 'diverse'. What you are saying makes no sense. Animated films have represented society since they were created even more than most movies. They have dealt with murder, death, the desire for power at any cost, jelousy, evil, love etc. Why should including gay character be any different? Do you even watch animated movies? Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs has a plot involving a a character who wants to murder another character becasue of jelousy, not only that but Snow White lives with a purposely diverse group of dwarfs.
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Post by moviemouth on Mar 6, 2017 4:06:49 GMT
Why should they reflect our society? That makes no sense. I hate political correctness and affirmative action and this idea we must always be 'diverse'. What you are saying makes no sense. Animated films have represented society since they were created even more than most movies. They have dealt with murder, death, the desire for power at any cost, jelousy, evil, love etc. Why should including gay character be any different? Do you even watch animated movies? Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs has a plot involving a a character who wants to murder another character becasue of jelousy, not only that but Snow White lives with a purposely diverse group of dwarfs. One theme that has come up many times in Disney is the desire for acceptance and being different. Dumbo for example.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 4:08:06 GMT
Why should they reflect our society? That makes no sense. I hate political correctness and affirmative action and this idea we must always be 'diverse'. What you are saying makes no sense. Animated films have represented society since they were created even more than most movies. They have dealt with murder, death, the desire for power at any cost, jelousy, evil, love etc. Why should including gay character be any different? Do you even watch animated movies? Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs has a plot involving a a character who wants to murder another character becasue of jelousy, not only that but Snow White lives with a purposely diverse group of dwarfs. All well and good but WHY must there be diversity? For the sake of diversity? So people can then pat themselves on the back? If people want to make films and foist 'diversity', that is fine. TV is saturated with such shows, most of which are terrible. And let's not fool anyone. This is not real diversity we're talking about. It's only diversity of skin color or sexual orientation. Not diversity of thought.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 6, 2017 4:13:18 GMT
Every family movie should depict graphic and gratuitous sex between partners of all genders so that children grow up with a healthy and realistic understanding of sex and sexuality. Classic animated Disney movies should be edited and re-released to include such scenes.
Can I get a "Hell, yeah"?
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Post by moviemouth on Mar 6, 2017 4:14:36 GMT
What you are saying makes no sense. Animated films have represented society since they were created even more than most movies. They have dealt with murder, death, the desire for power at any cost, jelousy, evil, love etc. Why should including gay character be any different? Do you even watch animated movies? Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs has a plot involving a a character who wants to murder another character becasue of jelousy, not only that but Snow White lives with a purposely diverse group of dwarfs. All well and good but WHY must there be diversity? For the sake of diversity? So people can then pat themselves on the back? If people want to make films and foist 'diversity', that is fine. TV is saturated with such shows, most of which are terrible. And let's not fool anyone. This is not real diversity we're talking about. It's only diversity of skin color or sexual orientation. Not diversity of thought. Diversity of any kind is important and should be represented in film. Movies are about representing life. Why should all the characters be straight and none gay? Why should there be diversity? Because diversity is part of society and animated films are about dealing with things that we deal with in real life and homosexuality is something that exists in society.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 4:20:26 GMT
All well and good but WHY must there be diversity? For the sake of diversity? So people can then pat themselves on the back? If people want to make films and foist 'diversity', that is fine. TV is saturated with such shows, most of which are terrible. And let's not fool anyone. This is not real diversity we're talking about. It's only diversity of skin color or sexual orientation. Not diversity of thought. Diversity of any kind is important and should be represented in film. Movies are about representing life. Why should all the characters be straight and none gay? Why should there be diversity? Because diversity is part of society and animated films are about dealing with things that we deal with in real life and homosexuality is something that exists in society. No. If you have the means to make an all black film, then do so. Or an all gay one. Or an all anything. There is no reason we need diversity in films. That's liberal political correctness run amok. Just make whatever film you want and how you want and ignore the calls for 'diversity'. It taints the final product just like the recent Oscar nominees and winners now seem questionable.
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Post by moviemouth on Mar 6, 2017 4:22:58 GMT
Diversity of any kind is important and should be represented in film. Movies are about representing life. Why should all the characters be straight and none gay? Why should there be diversity? Because diversity is part of society and animated films are about dealing with things that we deal with in real life and homosexuality is something that exists in society. No. If you have the means to make an all black film, then do so. Or an all gay one. Or an all anything. There is no reason we need diversity in films. That's liberal political correctness run amok. Just make whatever film you want and how you want and ignore the calls for 'diversity'. It taints the final product just like the recent Oscar nominees and winners now seem questionable. I am not talking about forcing an artist to include gay characters. I am saying that if the director and writer want to incude a gay character than they obviously should be able to and that it is a good thing. You do realize the director of the new Beauty and the Beast is gay right? You are spewing some kind of separatist garbage. If you think being on the far right is better than being on the far left than you are delusional. I am in the middle and don't consider myself either. I am actually against Oscars so White btw.
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Post by ck100 on Mar 6, 2017 4:24:08 GMT
As long as they don't draw lots of attention to them being gay.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 4:32:09 GMT
No. If you have the means to make an all black film, then do so. Or an all gay one. Or an all anything. There is no reason we need diversity in films. That's liberal political correctness run amok. Just make whatever film you want and how you want and ignore the calls for 'diversity'. It taints the final product just like the recent Oscar nominees and winners now seem questionable. I am not talking about forcing an artist to include gay characters. I am saying that if the director and writer want to incude a gay character than they obviously should be able to and that it is a good thing. You do realize the director of the new Beauty and the Beast is gay right? You are spewing some kind of separatist garbage. If you think being on the far right is better than being on the far left than you are delusional. I am in the middle and don't consider myself either. I am actually against Oscars so White btw. Then let the artist make the art and leave this idea we must be diverse out of it. But when an established character is suddenly turned gay, that smacks of political correctness, does it not?
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 6, 2017 4:34:24 GMT
As long as they don't draw lots of attention to them being gay.
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Post by moviemouth on Mar 6, 2017 4:36:02 GMT
I am not talking about forcing an artist to include gay characters. I am saying that if the director and writer want to incude a gay character than they obviously should be able to and that it is a good thing. You do realize the director of the new Beauty and the Beast is gay right? You are spewing some kind of separatist garbage. If you think being on the far right is better than being on the far left than you are delusional. I am in the middle and don't consider myself either. I am actually against Oscars so White btw. Then let the artist make the art and leave this idea we must be diverse out of it. But when an established character is suddenly turned gay, that smacks of political correctness, does it not? But when an established character is suddenly turned gay, that smacks of political correctness, does it not?
Pehaps but as I said Bill Condon IS gay. This story has been told enough times that at this point certain changes are fine. I mean I am more against this need to turn every anmated Disney film into a live-action movie. It's just about money not art so in this case it doesn't even matter to me.
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Post by louise on Mar 6, 2017 10:28:28 GMT
i think it's odd that they have to sexualise everything. in the cartoon, he's just gaston's sidekick. why does he have to be anything else?
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Post by jeffersoncody on Mar 6, 2017 20:31:50 GMT
p.s. i am not saying us conservatives are perfect or anything as we are all(as in humanity) sinners but it makes no sense to promote/accept immoral things as the more sin there is in the world the worse things tend to get in general since society as a whole drifts further away from God and pays the price for it and it slowly gets more and more depraved. As Elm Street has mentioned you souind as if you are touting the warped philosophies of the Klu Klux Klan here m-slovak79. There is nothing "immoral" or "depraved" about homosexuality, and only a dumb, ignorant homophobic bigot would say the vile, hateful things you do. You are a warped individual and a disgrace. If there is a God, and I sincerely hope there is, he or she is a God of love and would never, ever hold someone's sexuality against them. If you kept your shameful rightwing political views and old testament sentiments to yourself - and laid off the boring, repetetive wall of words posts - you would not be such an unpopular poster. It is clear you lack compassion, empathy and humanity, but have you no shame?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 20:35:28 GMT
When you created the poll, you forgot the "Who gives a shit?" option....
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Post by conspirologist on Mar 6, 2017 20:38:50 GMT
When you created the poll, you forgot the "Who gives a shit?" option.... Because those who don't care are automatically agree. As simple as it gets.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 20:41:23 GMT
Because those who don't care are automatically agree. As simple as it gets. No.
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