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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 1:24:38 GMT
No, not in a children's film. Why? Because kids shouldn't have to deep throat on the gay agenda in a family/kid film. Its inappropriate.
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Post by jeffersoncody on Mar 8, 2017 5:59:40 GMT
People like m-slovak are an embarrassment to all Christians. You are so right innsmouth. Hell, I am sure the Pope - who famously humbled himself and apologised to homosexuals for the catholic church's shocking and wrongful treatment of them in the past, would be both mortified and embarassed if he saw the hideous and hurtful, hate-fueled things this cruel, heartless right winger m-slovak79 is saying on these threads. Of course, i am sure m-slovak would not be prepared to say these vile things if he was using his real name.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 6:08:32 GMT
People like m-slovak are an embarrassment to all Christians. You are so right innsmouth. Hell, I am sure the Pope - who famously humbled himself and apologised to homosexuals for the catholic church's shocking and wrongful treatment of them in the past, would be both mortified and embarassed if he saw the hideous and hurtful, hate-fueled things this cruel, heartless right winger m-slovak79 is saying on these threads. Of course, i am sure m-slovak would not be prepared to say these vile things if he was using his real name. Hideous and hateful? Do you not pay attention to the actions of the left? Gay people, and this not necessarily their fault as they are conditioned from day one to act this way, are the most annoying people in the country. And hateful. They have no qualms about destroying the lives of those who simply disagree with them on same sex marriage. Hell, Obama was all for traditional marriage til about halfway through his presidency. So was Hillary, who talked about it being a sacred union. The most hideous and hateful people are liberals. Not even close.
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Post by jeffersoncody on Mar 8, 2017 6:16:56 GMT
the Catholic church is the one Jesus Christ started and the one He guides. the pope is infallible when it comes to faith/morals. official church teaching on stuff like homosexuality won't be wrong to say the least and it's pretty clear cut it's immoral. also, not everyone can be right in their interpretations of things in the bible which is why you need one authority. Pope says Christians should apologize to gay people By Delia Gallagher and Daniel Burke, CNN Updated 1941 GMT (0341 HKT) June 27, 2016 Aboard the Papal Plane (CNN)Pope Francis said Sunday that Christians owe apologies to gays and others who have been offended or exploited by the church, remarks that some Catholics hailed as a breakthrough in the church's tone toward homosexuality. "I repeat what the Catechism of the Catholic Church says: that they must not be discriminated against, that they must be respected and accompanied pastorally," Francis said at a press conference aboard the papal plane returning from Armenia. "The Church must ask forgiveness for not behaving many times -- when I say the Church, I mean Christians! The Church is holy, we are sinners!" As he often does during unscripted moments -- particularly papal news conferences -- the Pope spoke expansively, saying the church should seek forgiveness for a number of historical slights committed in its name. Groundbreaking Moment "I believe that the church not only should apologize to the person who is gay whom it has offended," he added, "but has to apologize to the poor, to exploited women, to children exploited for labor; it has to ask forgiveness for having blessed many weapons." The Rev. James Martin, a Jesuit priest and editor at large of America magazine, called the Pope's apology to gays and lesbians "a groundbreaking moment." "While St. John Paul II apologized to several groups in 2000 -- the Jewish people, indigenous peoples, immigrants and women, among them -- no pope has ever come close to apologizing to the LGBT community. And the Pope is correct of course. First, because forgiveness is an essential part of the Christian life. And second, because no group feels more marginalized in the church today than LGBT people." The Pope's comments came in response to a question about a German Cardinal who said the Catholic Church should apologize for being "very negative" about gays. The Pope was also asked whether Christians bear some blame for hatred toward the LGBT community, as horrifically demonstrated in the Orlando massacre at a gay night club that killed 49 people on June 12. Repeating the teaching of the Catechism of the Catholic Church about respecting and not discriminating against gays, Pope Francis said that one could condemn certain behavior. "One can condemn, but not for theological reasons, but for reasons of political behavior...Certain manifestations are a bit too offensive for others, no? "But these are things that have nothing to do with the problem. The problem is a person that has a condition, that has good will and who seeks God, who are we to judge? And we must accompany them well." 'Immense Blessing' Francis first uttered that rhetorical question -- Who am I to judge gay people? -- in 2013, also during a news conference on the papal plane. His comments were hailed as a breakthrough for a church that has historically condemned homosexuality, often in harsh terms. Francis has not changed church doctrine that calls homosexual acts sinful, but he has shown a more merciful approach to people on the margins, including gays and lesbians. Francis DeBernardo, executive director of New Ways Ministry, a Catholic gay rights group, called the Pope's remarks "an immense blessing of healing." "No pope has said more welcoming words to LGBT people than when Pope Francis today offered his recommendation that the Church -- indeed all Christians -- should apologize for the harm religious traditions have caused to LGBT people. The pope's statement was simple, yet powerful, and it fell from his lips so easily."
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Post by mslo79 on Mar 8, 2017 7:21:50 GMT
Jan El Señor Yes, i understand that. but... the topic is about KIDS, which is a different thing. you don't need any of that impure stuff taught to kids at such a young age as it's potentially brainwashing them into thinking it's normal/okay, when it's not. i realize once they get older they will inevitably find out about these things but they need a solid moral foundation from a young age and then hopefully they will do what's right by the time they get a bit older and exposed to those types of things. but if they are semi-corrupted at a young age in what they are taught it might be that much easier for them to go off the rails and stay that way only never to return to what's good. jeffersoncody The pope does not approve of sinful acts(like actual sex between two of the same sex), i can assure you of this. sure, he does not hate homosexuals but neither do i (as a general rule for me... i treat people with a basic level of respect unless they do something to really mess that up.). also, to tell someone something is a sin (which it clearly is by official Catholic church teachings and these are unchangeable teachings) is NOT hateful as you can't seem to grasp this concept. also, while i have not looked into the details on that stuff there you mentioned about the pope... if i had to speculate, he's probably saying he apologized for homosexuals and the like being treated a bit too harshly in the church is all. but that does not give his approval that it's okay. but i imagine the liberal media will likely twist his words from time to time to make it look like it's okay or no big deal now as i have heard of some priests saying they do this here and there. that's why i would be a bit cautious in what i read about the pope in the media and would be better if we get his words from more official sources etc so we know things won't be twisted or anything of that sort. and like i have said before... you attack me, i don't attack you. i would appreciate it if you acted a bit more civilized. this would help so that others around here get a more positive impression of you as when someone constantly bashes another person, especially when that person does not fire back or insulted you personally, it does nothing but bring others opinion of you down to a lower level. this is not a dis on you but i am sure you can see my point because it's true as when you always bashing someone else(especially when they never attacked you personally) you turn into a bully basically and obviously people don't have a positive opinion of those kinds of people. one thing i noticed is liberals always play the race card as pretty much all conservatives are racists/homophobic blah blah blah from their point of view even though it's not true. so basically, from their point of view... if you don't support homosexuality your a hateful/racist type of person. but anyways... it's not racist or wrong etc to say actual sex between two of the same sex is immoral/wrong because it is by official church teachings and those are free from error. so if you call me this stuff then you must think the Catholic church is these things to, right? also, it's not that a local priest told me these things... it's simply what's said in the 'Catechism of the Catholic Church' is official church views so anything contrary to those is obviously wrong as the church is infallible when it comes to faith/moral teachings. so when i say sex between two of the same sex is a sin, it's not my personal or local priest opinions but Truth by the Catholic church which is the church Jesus Christ started and the one He guides. also, regardless of whether i read the bible or not in it's entirety it still has no effect on what i said about homosexuality as it's still immoral/wrong. but it is true i have not read the bible in it's entirety from cover to cover but i have reads bits and pieces of scripture over the years. i know you will use this to try to make me look bad, but at the end of the day... whether i read the bible or not it changes nothing as official church teaching says actual sex between two of the same sex is a sin (i.e. wrong/immoral). but what does that have to do with what i said? ; it does not really matter if someone comes up with some fancy insult or whatever simply because official church teachings say actual sex between two of the same sex is a sin. you guys think you know more about Jesus Christ than the Church Jesus Christ Himself started? ; sounds very unlikely. in the end... the Truth is the Truth, it's unchangeable. but that's typically what the liberals do is just try to attack people and ruin their character etc when they don't have any real counter arguments to what you say simply because they got no real counter argument given what i said about homosexuality is the way Jesus Christ (who is part of The Holy Trinity(Father/Son(Jesus Christ)/Holy Spirit) which is God) see's it as it's a sin and while God loves all people He obviously would not act like sin is no big deal simply because sin hurts us and He wants only what's best for us. but you rebel against the Truth anyways. my words never change simply because the Truth does not change regardless of what society thinks as the Truth is not a democracy or is something determined by whatever is popular at any given point in history. that's why no matter how much pressure the world puts on the Catholic church to change it's unchangeable teaching on homosexuality it will not change simply because they can't change things God says is wrong/immoral and then suddenly say it's okay. i never said that whatsoever(assuming you mean actual conversation here), that's a flat out lie. if your going to claim something about what i said try making sure it's accurate. but i really don't think you care about accuracy or truth as you just keep on spewing anything negative about me in a attempt to make me look bad. p.s. but what i actually said that boosted my faith in God is i had something happen for me(a certain sin was completely removed from my life that i was impossible to escape on my own), through regular prayer(more specifically The Holy Rosary), that was clear proof to me that God exists. so i did not see God or anything of that sort. FridayOnElmStreet That's not a lie. a lie is only if i make something up about you that's not true. but i just assumed you did not believe in God given how you speak about these topics with 'actual sex between two of the same sex' acting like it's totally okay with God when that's clearly not true. also, as i have said before... God does not hate gay people, He still loves them, but obviously He cannot accept something that's sinful as sin is wrong and they need to try to change their ways to be more inline with God's way of living. i realize we are all sinners and all and it's not a easy process but we at least got to try to avoid sin etc and a very good way to start to try doing that is through regular prayer which i have a feeling many Christians probably think regular prayer is optional when it's not as that's crucial if one is going to grow closer to God. THawk You misunderstand me a bit... having feelings of sexual attraction towards those of the same sex is not a sin in itself. but it's only if one acts on them and actually has sex with another person of the same sex as themselves is when your crossing the line and sinning. trust me, it's pretty clear cut that sex between two of the same sex is a sin. to believe otherwise is just simply not true as here is a quick quote from Scipture... so because i actually like to take Jesus Christ teachings a bit more seriously you think that's a bad thing? ; i am not the problem, the problem is the world going against God's way of living as like i said before the more sin there is in the world the worse things tend to get. so i am simply telling people the truth is all. so how i am a embarresment to Christians? ; those who just go-with-the-flow of the world and ignore Christ's teachings is when you got a bit of a problem, especially when one claims to be Christian they can't just act like sin is no big deal. here is official Catholic chruch teachings on homosexuality straight out of the Cathecism of the Catholic church (it's a direct word for word copy from the Vatican's website to)... does that sound like hate etc to you? ; i think not. i realize that won't be easy and all for those with same sex attraction but it is possible with God's help which comes through His graces which you obtain through regluar prayer etc. @jamesavalon Exactly! ; but they will never admit it. liberals are just backwards at the end of the day as they tend to be against Jesus Christ in many moral things, like abortion/support of the whole gay agenda for example and abortion is a direct attack on human life which is obviously a serious matter not to be taken lightly. one thing i always like to say... if one can't even get the abortion issue right it's not surprising they(liberals) are backwards on a lot of other things. so with liberals on the issue of abortion... they put a persons "choice" (but that choice determines whether a human being lives or dies. does this sound good to you?) higher than a persons right to life on the issue of abortion when it should be the other way around. but liberals sugar-coat the abortion issue under the guise of a choice with their 'Pro-Choice' label, so it looks a lot better on the surface, but it's really a issue of life/death since that's what the "choice" really is at it's core whether a baby lives or dies. conservatives label the issue correctly with "Pro-Life" and the opposite of that, which is where the liberals are at, is basically legally allowing the death of a baby to happen for basically any reason a person see's fit to. abortion is the work of the devil plain and simple and needs to be much more limited vs what it is currently as there are very few legitimate reasons one could have a abortion like of the mothers life is in danger or something like that but in that case the abortion is a unfortunate side effect to saving the mothers life as the intention was to save the mothers life but with abortion in general the intention is to end innocent human life, which is obviously wrong. as for Hillary Clinton, she's a snake. thank God she did not get into power (if she did, she would likely be one of the most corrupt presidents we ever had if not THE most corrupt). it's nice to see Trump in there as he might actually get something good done for the people for a change as you can see everyone shady rebels hard against him and the more they do that the more good he's liking doing is the way i see it since liberals tend to be opposed to what's good in many cases. i expect this wall of negativity from the mainstream media (which is largely liberal biased) against Trump to go for his entire presidency. but all Trump really needs to worry about is basically do what he said he was doing to do and there is a decent chance he gets re-elected in 2020. but that stuff aside... they try to claim we are intolerant but it's they are get all violent/aggressive if you oppose their views in general. www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/07/03/christian-bakers-fined-135000-for-refusing-to-make-wedding-cake-for-lesbians.html ; now that's a bunch of BS there (shows you how 'tolerant' liberals are). those who owned the business should be protected under their religious beliefs but those shady courts try to force them to go against their beliefs and fine them. it's a joke they claimed 'pain and suffering' by those two refusing to bake them a cake simply because they could have easily went to another place near by for their cake. but they wanted to destroy those who opposed them and took it to court etc to abuse BS in the law which should have been protected under religious beliefs as their beliefs are not harming no one else and the like so their beliefs should be protected by law. people can't be expected to go against their own conscience and it's not unreasonable to ask those two to get their cake from somewhere else but instead it blows up into some hefty fine etc.
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Post by jeffersoncody on Mar 8, 2017 11:33:43 GMT
the Catholic church is the one Jesus Christ started and the one He guides. the pope is infallible when it comes to faith/morals. official church teaching on stuff like homosexuality won't be wrong to say the least and it's pretty clear cut it's immoral. also, not everyone can be right in their interpretations of things in the bible which is why you need one authority. Pope says Christians should apologize to gay people By Delia Gallagher and Daniel Burke, CNN Updated 1941 GMT (0341 HKT) June 27, 2016 Aboard the Papal Plane (CNN)Pope Francis said Sunday that Christians owe apologies to gays and others who have been offended or exploited by the church, remarks that some Catholics hailed as a breakthrough in the church's tone toward homosexuality. "I repeat what the Catechism of the Catholic Church says: that they must not be discriminated against, that they must be respected and accompanied pastorally," Francis said at a press conference aboard the papal plane returning from Armenia. "The Church must ask forgiveness for not behaving many times -- when I say the Church, I mean Christians! The Church is holy, we are sinners!" As he often does during unscripted moments -- particularly papal news conferences -- the Pope spoke expansively, saying the church should seek forgiveness for a number of historical slights committed in its name. Groundbreaking Moment "I believe that the church not only should apologize to the person who is gay whom it has offended," he added, "but has to apologize to the poor, to exploited women, to children exploited for labor; it has to ask forgiveness for having blessed many weapons." The Rev. James Martin, a Jesuit priest and editor at large of America magazine, called the Pope's apology to gays and lesbians "a groundbreaking moment." "While St. John Paul II apologized to several groups in 2000 -- the Jewish people, indigenous peoples, immigrants and women, among them -- no pope has ever come close to apologizing to the LGBT community. And the Pope is correct of course. First, because forgiveness is an essential part of the Christian life. And second, because no group feels more marginalized in the church today than LGBT people." The Pope's comments came in response to a question about a German Cardinal who said the Catholic Church should apologize for being "very negative" about gays. The Pope was also asked whether Christians bear some blame for hatred toward the LGBT community, as horrifically demonstrated in the Orlando massacre at a gay night club that killed 49 people on June 12. Repeating the teaching of the Catechism of the Catholic Church about respecting and not discriminating against gays, Pope Francis said that one could condemn certain behavior. "One can condemn, but not for theological reasons, but for reasons of political behavior...Certain manifestations are a bit too offensive for others, no? "But these are things that have nothing to do with the problem. The problem is a person that has a condition, that has good will and who seeks God, who are we to judge? And we must accompany them well." 'Immense Blessing' Francis first uttered that rhetorical question -- Who am I to judge gay people? -- in 2013, also during a news conference on the papal plane. His comments were hailed as a breakthrough for a church that has historically condemned homosexuality, often in harsh terms. Francis has not changed church doctrine that calls homosexual acts sinful, but he has shown a more merciful approach to people on the margins, including gays and lesbians. Francis DeBernardo, executive director of New Ways Ministry, a Catholic gay rights group, called the Pope's remarks "an immense blessing of healing." "No pope has said more welcoming words to LGBT people than when Pope Francis today offered his recommendation that the Church -- indeed all Christians -- should apologize for the harm religious traditions have caused to LGBT people. The pope's statement was simple, yet powerful, and it fell from his lips so easily."
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Post by THawk on Mar 8, 2017 12:25:18 GMT
Jan El Señor THawk You misunderstand me a bit... having feelings of sexual attraction towards those of the same sex is not a sin in itself. but it's only if one acts on them and actually has sex with another person of the same sex as themselves is when your crossing the line and sinning. trust me, it's pretty clear cut that sex between two of the same sex is a sin. to believe otherwise is just simply not true as here is a quick quote from Scipture... so because i actually like to take Jesus Christ teachings a bit more seriously you think that's a bad thing? ; i am not the problem, the problem is the world going against God's way of living as like i said before the more sin there is in the world the worse things tend to get. so i am simply telling people the truth is all. so how i am a embarresment to Christians? ; those who just go-with-the-flow of the world and ignore Christ's teachings is when you got a bit of a problem, especially when one claims to be Christian they can't just act like sin is no big deal. here is official Catholic chruch teachings on homosexuality straight out of the Cathecism of the Catholic church (it's a direct word for word copy from the Vatican's website to)... 1) Jesus Christ is not the one speaking in Leviticus 2) Quoting Leviticus is insanely hypocritical if you are not following the rest of its ancient rules. Why are you not calling for all children who speak out against their parents to be put to death? Why are you not calling for the death of people who commit bestiality, and the animals who are abused? Adultery is not even considered a criminal offense in society - why are you not calling for the death of all people who cheat on their spouses? This is what is so absurd about you even calling yourself a "conservative" - you completely ignore the vast majority of text from the things you quote from, and focus only on one specific thing - gay people, which in turn correctly has liberals labeling you a hater. If you are going to quote me Leviticus, you better explain how much death you want to see. No, not just saying that adultery, disrespect toward parents are "wrong" - but actual death, that is what the passages literally say, actual death for these people. Or are you too ashamed of the Bible to call for this death? People, gay or otherwise, who practice chastity and decide to live a life dedicated to the Lord are following a fantastic path that goes against the trashiness of the world. But that is beside the point.
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Post by alexhurricanehiggins on Mar 8, 2017 12:27:21 GMT
If it serves the plot sure. If it doesn't serve the plot then to me that just screams political correctness and I'm against making an established character gay, black etc.
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Post by FridayOnElmStreet on Mar 8, 2017 15:19:56 GMT
That is just what you think though. There is no proof of that. Many Christians now are very pro gay. And thats good. Its called progress. God made them gay.
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Post by jeffersoncody on Mar 8, 2017 20:20:13 GMT
p.s. but what i actually said that boosted my faith in God is i had something happen for me(a certain sin was completely removed from my life that i was impossible to escape on my own), through regular prayer(more specifically The Holy Rosary), that was clear proof to me that God exists. so i did not see God or anything of that sort.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 20:23:52 GMT
That is just what you think though. There is no proof of that. Many Christians now are very pro gay. And thats good. Its called progress. God made them gay. It's only called progress by some. To others, it's regressive. And it has nothing to do with any religion. I do find it impossible to comprehend that liberals can attack Christians for being 'anti-gay' and yet never once address the fact that Muslims are so vehemently anti-gay, they have outlawed it in about a dozen countries and even given the death penalty as punishment. This is another reason I cannot take liberals seriously. They are bankrupt.
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Post by jeffersoncody on Mar 8, 2017 21:00:25 GMT
It's only called progress by some. To others, it's regressive. And it has nothing to do with any religion. I do find it impossible to comprehend that liberals can attack Christians for being 'anti-gay' and yet never once address the fact that Muslims are so vehemently anti-gay, they have outlawed it in about a dozen countries and even given the death penalty as punishment. This is another reason I cannot take liberals seriously. They are bankrupt. - jamesavalon. I would just like to put it on record jamesavalon that (like Bill Maher, and many liberals I know) I loathe and destest the fact that the greater majority of Muslims are "vehemently anti-guy". And this it is far from the only problem I (and many liberals) have with Muslims. That "they have outlawed it (homosexuality) in about a dozen countries and even given the death penalty as punishment" is a crime against humanity and this human rights atrocity should be condemned and spoken out against at every opportunity.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 21:20:21 GMT
I don't think they should force political agendas at children. Just let children be children and they will learn about this later on. Disney films were supposed to be about escapism, what next a transgender character? I've got nothing against LGBT people, I just want good writing and storytelling not all this pc agenda all the time. Classic Disney films were never political, they just had great songs, great animation and great characters.
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Post by TheOriginalPinky on Mar 8, 2017 21:22:38 GMT
I'm of the "Who Cares?" mind.
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Post by jeffersoncody on Mar 8, 2017 22:10:14 GMT
I'm of the "Who Cares?" mind. That is a very beautiful cat in your avatar pic Pinky. PS: Hope you have seen A STREETCAT NAMED BOB. It's a must-watch for those of us who love the feline species with all heart and soul.
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Post by shield on Mar 8, 2017 22:15:51 GMT
Wow, that this should even be an issue in this age. For me it's not a big deal at all. A character like everybody else...
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Post by jeffersoncody on Mar 8, 2017 22:32:49 GMT
Wow, that this should even be an issue in this age. For me it's not a big deal at all. A character like everybody else...
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Post by OrsonSwelles on Mar 9, 2017 2:15:32 GMT
Why is this thread here? Shouldn't it be in the religion board or one of the other ones that are full of idiots and dickheads?
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Post by mikef6 on Mar 9, 2017 2:18:13 GMT
Yes. Gay, as well as straight people, as well as a beauty who falls in love with an aristocratic talking animal. Gay bigotry - as can be clearly seen on this thread - is just another kind of hate, fear, and need to control other people's lives that drives any other conservative discrimination. Be it racial or ethnic or gender bias or any other kind, this kind of tight control on people's behavior (often using or trying to use Big Government prohibition as a tool) is a foundation of the conservative political and religious philosophies. Watch for code terms like "political correctness" a mention of "liberals", and the claim that allowing people more freedom is discrimination against conservatives. When you hear or read things like that you will know you are in the presence of a Trump conservative.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 2:26:34 GMT
Yes. Gay, as well as straight people, as well as a beauty who falls in love with an aristocratic talking animal. Gay bigotry - as can be clearly seen on this thread - is just another kind of hate, fear, and need to control other people's lives that drives any other conservative discrimination. Be it racial or ethnic or gender bias or any other kind, this kind of tight control on people's behavior (often using or trying to use Big Government prohibition as a tool) is a foundation of the conservative political and religious philosophies. Watch for code terms like "political correctness" a mention of "liberals", and the claim that allowing people more freedom is discrimination against conservatives. When you hear or read things like that you will know you are in the presence of a Trump conservative. What nonsense. Liberals are the ones who always change characters to advance their agenda and FORCE their ideology on the most impressionable people, the kids so you can control them in the future. There is no reason to even bring this character's sexual preferences into the movie at all and yet, of course, liberals can't resist. Who attacks people? Liberals. Who shouts down free speech? Liberals. Who riots? Liberals. How is that for 'code terms'?
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