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Post by pippinmaniac on Mar 9, 2017 3:11:41 GMT
Nope.
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Post by MiketheMechanic on Mar 9, 2017 3:21:05 GMT
I don't know why they should. Are they going to start creating bisexual, divorced and adulterous characters too? Why not represent the whole spectrum of sexuality?
These are CARTOONS for crissakes! Why assign a sexuality to them? These aren't cartoons from the Mickey Mouse era. Today's cartoons do much more than entertain, they also educate and help to instill values in children.
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Post by MiketheMechanic on Mar 9, 2017 3:23:28 GMT
i think it's odd that they have to sexualise everything. in the cartoon, he's just gaston's sidekick. why does he have to be anything else? You mean, why does he have to be gay?
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Post by MiketheMechanic on Mar 9, 2017 3:24:19 GMT
Yes. Kids are impressionable. Teaching them to accept and be comfortable around all walks of life is for the better.
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Post by MiketheMechanic on Mar 9, 2017 3:25:25 GMT
That makes no sense. Its very natural for gays. A gay guy pretending to be straight is not natural. It does make sense because no one is born gay. I was.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 3:28:23 GMT
No, they're gay.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 3:41:17 GMT
It does make sense because no one is born gay. I was. You were not born gay. There is no way you could possibly know such a thing and it goes against nature. If you were biologically born gay and that is natural, how is it you can only procreate with someone of the opposite sex? This is not about religion or any other social deviancy. This is about the truth. No one is born gay. They become gay because of their surroundings and life experiences, most of which you would never remember. That doesn't mean people aren't gay but this lie told that people are born gay needs to stop.
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Post by mikef6 on Mar 9, 2017 4:43:31 GMT
What nonsense. Liberals are the ones who always change characters to advance their agenda and FORCE their ideology on the most impressionable people, the kids so you can control them in the future. There is no reason to even bring this character's sexual preferences into the movie at all and yet, of course, liberals can't resist. Who attacks people? Liberals. Who shouts down free speech? Liberals. Who riots? Liberals. How is that for 'code terms'? What a joke! You can't have conservatism without having opposition to any kind of civil rights. Conservatives have nothing but contempt for anyone not rich. The poor and working poor and middle class are, to them, just lazy moochers. Takers, according to Paul Ryan. The 47%, according Mitt Romney. Newt Gingrich thinks that school kids who get free meals should have to do janitorial work for the school to teach them personal responsibility. He must be assuming that children of rich parents don't need that lesson. Government sponsored discrimination has always been conservative policy. But lately - since 2008 when they decided to hell with America and its people, we have to block anything Pres. Obama proposes - it has been even worse. Today, the Republican Party, with so-called Pres. Trump at its head, seems bent on deliberately trying to hurt as many people as they can as fast as they can with no purpose in mind except to inflict pain. The Republican so-called health plan is nothing more than another tax cut for the rich and a strong blow against the very people who mindlessly pulled the lever for Trump because he promised to make white people the top people again. As I said in my original post, the conservative party is the party of discrimination. "Freedom" for CONS means freedom for them to control other people even to the point of limiting who people can fall in love with and marry - an unconscionable violation of personal rights. I could go on and on, but I think we all get the picture. Just re-read the O.P. again and get the full flavor of conservatism.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 5:09:40 GMT
What nonsense. Liberals are the ones who always change characters to advance their agenda and FORCE their ideology on the most impressionable people, the kids so you can control them in the future. There is no reason to even bring this character's sexual preferences into the movie at all and yet, of course, liberals can't resist. Who attacks people? Liberals. Who shouts down free speech? Liberals. Who riots? Liberals. How is that for 'code terms'? What a joke! You can't have conservatism without having opposition to any kind of civil rights. Conservatives have nothing but contempt for anyone not rich. The poor and working poor and middle class are, to them, just lazy moochers. Takers, according to Paul Ryan. The 47%, according Mitt Romney. Newt Gingrich thinks that school kids who get free meals should have to do janitorial work for the school to teach them personal responsibility. He must be assuming that children of rich parents don't need that lesson. Government sponsored discrimination has always been conservative policy. But lately - since 2008 when they decided to hell with America and its people, we have to block anything Pres. Obama proposes - it has been even worse. Today, the Republican Party, with so-called Pres. Trump at its head, seems bent on deliberately trying to hurt as many people as they can as fast as they can with no purpose in mind except to inflict pain. The Republican so-called health plan is nothing more than another tax cut for the rich and a strong blow against the very people who mindlessly pulled the lever for Trump because he promised to make white people the top people again. As I said in my original post, the conservative party is the party of discrimination. "Freedom" for CONS means freedom for them to control other people even to the point of limiting who people can fall in love with and marry - an unconscionable violation of personal rights. I could go on and on, but I think we all get the picture. Just re-read the O.P. again and get the full flavor of conservatism. Both of you are only looking at the extremes.
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Post by darkpast on Mar 9, 2017 5:24:43 GMT
movies should reflect life, so sure
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Post by MiketheMechanic on Mar 9, 2017 5:40:21 GMT
You were not born gay. There is no way you could possibly know such a thing and it goes against nature. If you were biologically born gay and that is natural, how is it you can only procreate with someone of the opposite sex? This is not about religion or any other social deviancy. This is about the truth. No one is born gay. They become gay because of their surroundings and life experiences, most of which you would never remember. That doesn't mean people aren't gay but this lie told that people are born gay needs to stop. I knew I was gay since I was five years old. How could I, at age five, become 'gay' because of my surroundings and life experiences? Please elaborate - if you can. Being gay and procreating with someone of the opposite sex are two entirely different extremes and is somewhat of an oxymoron. Not everyone is put on this earth to bear children. Not everyone wants to procreate, gay or straight. It's a personal choice and just because someone has the capabilities to do it doesn't mean that they have to. I can't and won't speak for every gay person, only for myself but if I knew at the tender early age of five that I wasn't like most boys. There was no internet in the mid-1960's, no one was talking about it or putting things in my head. Who would put ideas into the head of a five year old? Yes there I was, a five year old....who knew... It isn't a lie that people are told that they're born gay. It's that some people don't want to hear that it may be the truth.
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Post by jeffersoncody on Mar 9, 2017 6:20:41 GMT
You were not born gay. There is no way you could possibly know such a thing and it goes against nature. If you were biologically born gay and that is natural, how is it you can only procreate with someone of the opposite sex? This is not about religion or any other social deviancy. This is about the truth. No one is born gay. They become gay because of their surroundings and life experiences, most of which you would never remember. That doesn't mean people aren't gay but this lie told that people are born gay needs to stop. If you genuinely believe what you have written in the above post jamesavalon I can only conclude you are either A: Mentally Challenged and Barely Educated, B: Brainwashed by Lunatic, Homophobic Parents and Relatives since Birth, or C: a Manipulative Sociopath with a Radical Right Wing Fundamentalist Christian Agenda comprised of Fear, Ignorance or Hate.
Guy, A good friend of my family - who we have known since he was a boy - is a hugely successful gay man who has worked his way to the top of the corporate ladder and is now a top executive with the Mercedes Benz Company. His mother, Claire, now 80, a passionate committed christian who doesn't believe in evolution, did not even know Guy was gay until he came out to her at the age of 30.
Claire, who quickly got over her shock and still loves Guy as much as she always did, is a close friend of mine and a highly intelligent and capaple, if sometimes blinkered and self involved, woman, who is still working as a book-keeper for a law firm, but we have different views on lots of things. I never realized that she didn't know Guy was gay.
I must point out at this stage that Claire, although bizarrely unaware of her son's true sexuality for so long is not and has never has been a homophobic person who was vehemently against gay men and women.
However Clare, her late husband and their two children, Guy and Kate, would spend every summer with us when were children. Not that he ever told my middle brother or I in so many words back then, but Guy knew he was gay from the time he was about five-years-old, and my younger brother and I (who were aged about 10 and 12 when Guy was five, and are both heterosexual) knew even then that his true sexuality was different to ours. Call it intuition, but I assure you we knew. Were my brother and I so much more intelligent and perceptive than you were at that age jamesavalon?
I should also mention to you that I grew up in one of the most reppressive, racist and conservative countries in the world - ruled with an iron fist by one of the cruelest, uncoolest governing parties in history.
My working class parents, however, taught us to love, respect and accept everyone; even their more "flambuoyant" male friends and associates, and female relatives with close-cropped haired and severe shoes.
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Post by Doghouse6 on Mar 9, 2017 6:42:50 GMT
There's been a lot of talk on this thread about religion and "sin" - which is fine; anyone who wishes to live their own lives according to whatever tenets they choose is free to do so - and about "imposing" or "forcing" an "agenda."
I have no desire to argue directly with those of closed minds, but of course, no one is "imposing" or "forcing" anything: buying a ticket to, and viewing, the new Beauty and the Beast is just as much a choice as which religious teachings to follow, and everyone is free to make it for themselves. It is, however, those wishing to exclude from popular entertainment any ideas of which they disapprove - by limiting that entertainment to portraying only those ideas of which they do approve (to the exclusion of all others) - who would actually be "imposing" and "forcing" an "agenda" by eliminating those choices.
It's really quite simple: Don't approve of it? Then don't do it/buy it/watch it/etc. Putting oneself in the position of deciding for others which of their choices "should" be removed assumes that of oppressor.
I wasn't comfortable with participation in a poll presenting only a yes/no binary on a "should" question, so I offer these observations in its stead.
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Post by Doghouse6 on Mar 9, 2017 7:08:39 GMT
You were not born gay. There is no way you could possibly know such a thing and it goes against nature. If you were biologically born gay and that is natural, how is it you can only procreate with someone of the opposite sex? This is not about religion or any other social deviancy. This is about the truth. No one is born gay. They become gay because of their surroundings and life experiences, most of which you would never remember. That doesn't mean people aren't gay but this lie told that people are born gay needs to stop. I knew I was gay since I was five years old. How could I, at age five, become 'gay' because of my surroundings and life experiences? Please elaborate - if you can. Being gay and procreating with someone of the opposite sex are two entirely different extremes and is somewhat of an oxymoron. Not everyone is put on this earth to bear children. Not everyone wants to procreate, gay or straight. It's a personal choice and just because someone has the capabilities to do it doesn't mean that they have to. I can't and won't speak for every gay person, only for myself but if I knew at the tender early age of five that I wasn't like most boys. There was no internet in the mid-1960's, no one was talking about it or putting things in my head. Who would put ideas into the head of a five year old? Yes there I was, a five year old....who knew... It isn't a lie that people are told that they're born gay. It's that some people don't want to hear that it may be the truth. We both know, Mike, what views like those expressed by jamesavalon are about: if something like sexuality were brought about by either external circumstances or personal choice (as some allege), then it can be remedied, and if that so-called remedy is resisted, that sexuality can then be punished by those who disapprove of it. That's the origin of the "nature or nurture" narrative, but it remains a smokescreen for punitive treatment of those who don't conform in whatever way to that which considers itself desirable and superior. The groups subjected to that treatment are interchangeable, as are the smokescreens: this racial/ethnic/religious/sexual/gender group's rights must be curtailed because they're lazy and stupid/avaricious or terrorists/dangerous perverts/weak and overemotional. Take that last example: no one can argue that women weren't "born that way" (that is, female), so another excuse is invented for the discriminatory treatment to which they've been subjected. And so it goes.
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Post by jeffersoncody on Mar 9, 2017 7:40:49 GMT
That there are over 30 NO votes in this poll is extremely sad and disheartening. Or, it means there are posters on this forum using sock puppet accounts to post negative votes. It would be nice if - like on some sites and forums - one could click on the yes vote and see the user names of those posters who voted YES, and also to click on the no votes and see which posters voted NO. Of course, it is heartening to see that the YES votes are winning and there are clearly a lot of good posters without prejudice on this board.
I know it was ridiculously easy for trolls and mean-spirited mischief makers to create sock puppet accounts on the now defunct IMDB talk forums, I hope this isn't the case here too. However, I must applaud the admin on IMDB2 for taking swift action against trolls when they raise their ugly heads.
I think that if we try our best to post good, heartfelt stuff this can be a damn good site.
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Post by jeffersoncody on Mar 9, 2017 7:46:05 GMT
There's been a lot of talk on this thread about religion and "sin" - which is fine; anyone who wishes to live their own lives according to whatever tenets they choose is free to do so - and about "imposing" or "forcing" an "agenda." I have no desire to argue directly with those of closed minds, but of course, no one is "imposing" or "forcing" anything: buying a ticket to, and viewing, the new Beauty and the Beast is just as much a choice as which religious teachings to follow, and everyone is free to make it for themselves. It is, however, those wishing to exclude from popular entertainment any ideas of which they disapprove - by limiting that entertainment to portraying only those ideas of which they do approve (to the exclusion of all others) - who would actually be "imposing" and "forcing" an "agenda" by eliminating those choices. It's really quite simple: Don't approve of it? Then don't do it/buy it/watch it/etc. Putting oneself in the position of deciding for others which of their choices "should" be removed assumes that of oppressor. I wasn't comfortable with participation in a poll presenting only a yes/no binary on a "should" question, so I offer these observations in its stead. I hear what you are saying Doghouse6, and respect your opinion, but would ask you from the very depths of my heart to reconsider your stance and give a YES vote.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 11:34:55 GMT
That there are over 30 NO votes in this poll is extremely sad and disheartening. Or, it means there are posters on this forum using sock puppet accounts to post negative votes. It would be nice if - like on some sites and forums - one could click on the yes vote and see the user names of those posters who voted YES, and also to click on the no votes and see which posters voted NO. Of course, it is heartening to see that the YES votes are winning and there are clearly a lot of good posters without prejudice on this board. I know it was ridiculously easy for trolls and mean-spirited mischief makers to create sock puppet accounts on the now defunct IMDB talk forums, I hope this isn't the case here too. However, I must applaud the admin on IMDB2 for taking swift action against trolls when they raise their ugly heads. I think that if we try our best to post good, heartfelt stuff this can be a damn good site. At the end of the day, people are entitled to their opinion, whether you like it or not someone not agreeing with you isn't a "troll". These neo liberal types are trying to close down free speech and will instantly throw the b word or the r word at someone with a different opinion and can't argue with reason. We're getting close to a totalitarian society the way some go on. And I'm left wing, I just can't stand all those sjw types.
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Post by THawk on Mar 9, 2017 13:09:46 GMT
Yes. Gay, as well as straight people, as well as a beauty who falls in love with an aristocratic talking animal. Gay bigotry - as can be clearly seen on this thread - is just another kind of hate, fear, and need to control other people's lives that drives any other conservative discrimination. Be it racial or ethnic or gender bias or any other kind, this kind of tight control on people's behavior (often using or trying to use Big Government prohibition as a tool) is a foundation of the conservative political and religious philosophies. Watch for code terms like "political correctness" a mention of "liberals", and the claim that allowing people more freedom is discrimination against conservatives. When you hear or read things like that you will know you are in the presence of a Trump conservative. Aye, I am also a member of the Nazi Party, I organized the founding of the KKK, and had a hand in the Crusades. It's just a fact. ....liberals like you are so absurdly deluded it's funny really, yet this kind of idiotic thinking controls Hollywood and pop culture in general.
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Post by THawk on Mar 9, 2017 14:03:57 GMT
....liberals like you are so absurdly deluded it's funny really, yet this kind of idiotic thinking controls Hollywood and pop culture in general. Bullshit like this is what's wrong with the world today! I'm probably considered a liberal (don't really keep up with the 500 definitions at this point). However, you'll prove yourself wrong by reading my previous post when you have time. Of course, that means you'll have to muster enough energy to connect the simple dots from 1-2. And how 'bout that wonderful Trump healthcare plan to end all healthcare plans!?! -- WOW! He's not a hypocrite/liar-in-chief at all! Yep, Rorschach, we should definitely trust you! ....I am not a Trump fan. Or a conservative. The whole point of my post was to point out the absurdity of the liberal claim that anyone who dares to disagree with them automatically falls into their pre-concieved notions. ...which is exactly what you just did by thinking I'm gonna defend Trump, with absolutely nothing to back up this accusation. Which proves my point. The "tolerance" is bubbling through your eyes, leaving you seeing nothing but your own excrement.
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Post by mikef6 on Mar 9, 2017 15:35:20 GMT
Yes. Gay, as well as straight people, as well as a beauty who falls in love with an aristocratic talking animal. Gay bigotry - as can be clearly seen on this thread - is just another kind of hate, fear, and need to control other people's lives that drives any other conservative discrimination. Be it racial or ethnic or gender bias or any other kind, this kind of tight control on people's behavior (often using or trying to use Big Government prohibition as a tool) is a foundation of the conservative political and religious philosophies. Watch for code terms like "political correctness" a mention of "liberals", and the claim that allowing people more freedom is discrimination against conservatives. When you hear or read things like that you will know you are in the presence of a Trump conservative. Aye, I am also a member of the Nazi Party, I organized the founding of the KKK, and had a hand in the Crusades. It's just a fact. ....liberals like you are so absurdly deluded it's funny really, yet this kind of idiotic thinking controls Hollywood and pop culture in general. How can you tell when a CON is lying? Her lips move. It’s an old joke, sure, but still very relevant. Most recent example: Monica Crowley. She was on Hannity’s hate-talk show yesterday and called her sudden departure as so-called Pres. Trump’s National Security Spokesperson “a despicable, straight-up political hit job, OK?" She had been forced to resign after Politico and CNN exposed many instances of plagiarism in her Ph.D. thesis, her new book, and newspaper columns. Crowley unleashed this whopper: “"It's been debunked, my editor has completely supported me and backed me up." Nothing has been debunked and her book, "What the (Bleep) Just Happened?", is no longer being offered for sale," publisher HarperCollins said in January. Hannity, a person who has made a good living for about 30 years by lying, naturally allowed all this to go by without a challenge.
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