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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 4, 2017 20:58:28 GMT
Mandarin is exactly what I meant about people being more willing to fear some random foreign thing rather than realize it's the faults in their own society they should be paying attention to. Do you think the Mandarin worked effectively to this end in this film, or they could've done a better job with him on this front? Both the character and the actor received some of the worst backlash I've seen against a Marvel movie. So naturally he was my favorite part of the flick lol People still seem to think that villains are supposed to be the star of the show in CBMs, so when MCU once again showed they make movies about their heroes and not their villains they got upset again. |
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Post by Lee on Mar 4, 2017 21:14:04 GMT
If there any MCU film character who deverse an Rated-R movie, than its Black Widow.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 4, 2017 21:43:17 GMT
Do you think the Mandarin worked effectively to this end in this film, or they could've done a better job with him on this front? Both the character and the actor received some of the worst backlash I've seen against a Marvel movie. So naturally he was my favorite part of the flick lol The backlash was because people wanted the Mandarin to be the main villain and to be just like he is in the comics. See, and I was raised on a steady diet of (mainly) X-Men, Batman, and Spider-Man comics. So I had no expectations for the character, found the twist interesting, and thought it basically worked just fine. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 4, 2017 23:27:29 GMT
See, and I was raised on a steady diet of (mainly) X-Men, Batman, and Spider-Man comics. So I had no expectations for the character, found the twist interesting, and thought it basically worked just fine. Me too. But I still understood the character before watching the movie and saw what they were doing. I also burst out laughing because I knew it was a troll move and all the fans were going to be mad. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 0:51:39 GMT
Yeah, the backlash against the twist with the Mandarin is ridiculous. I know he's a fairly well-beloved villain, but he's also very difficult to translate to screen in a racial sensitive manner. In the end, I think Marvel went with the best option.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 5, 2017 2:27:38 GMT
Yeah, the backlash against the twist with the Mandarin is ridiculous. I know he's a fairly well-beloved villain, but he's also very difficult to translate to screen in a racial sensitive manner. In the end, I think Marvel went with the best option. Yeah, I don't really know how to do it any differently without -- yeah, running into other/bigger issues that are worst than a "poorly adapted" comic book villain. Like I said earlier I still don't get the hate for (the movie version of) the character and certainly not for Kingsley.
My own personal criticism of Iron Man 3 would be that it lacked the near-perfect pacing of the prior two and this contributed to a sense of Downey seeming "off," which he played into for obvious storyline purposes, but it just gave the film a really jagged, start-and-stop flow at points.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 2:50:27 GMT
Some have pointed how the Mandarin has been reimagined over the years, which is true enough. However, the original sin has already been committed. The Mandarin started out as a "yellow peril" villain and that's never going to completely go away.
Fair enough criticism. I know Ironman 3 isn't a perfect third act and it certainly wasn't what people were expecting. I like the film, but Ironman 1 will always by my favorite of that trilogy.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 5, 2017 2:59:00 GMT
 Why Not? Watch Punisher on Daredevil and the new Punisher series and get back with me. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 5, 2017 3:13:34 GMT
Fair enough criticism. I know Ironman 3 isn't a perfect third act and it certainly wasn't what people were expecting. I like the film, but Ironman 1 will always by my favorite of that trilogy. Same. Iron Man 1 kind of reminds me of the first Pirates movie in that it was good on that "way better than it had to be" wavelength. Like, they could've cast someone other than RDJ and just made a competent and "safe" Iron Man and been fine, but they went all-out and it paid off. I think the Tony Stark character will leave the biggest, most problematic void for them after the current Phase. He's leaving, right? Or we "don't know yet"? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 4:11:11 GMT
He's going to be in the Infinity Wars two-parter. After that, it's up in the air. That's probably why they brought in Doctor Strange. He's played by Cumberbach and his magic and ability to use portals to connect otherwise very distant corners of the Earth will become key for future team ups.
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Post by Ecstasy on Mar 5, 2017 18:39:40 GMT
Why Not? In which MCU film would an R-rating have been necessary? I can't think of a single one that needed to be "R" to do what the filmmakers wanted out of it. I could see The Winter Solider with a R-Rating. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 5, 2017 18:59:08 GMT
In which MCU film would an R-rating have been necessary? I can't think of a single one that needed to be "R" to do what the filmmakers wanted out of it. I could see The Winter Solider with a R-Rating. But does it need an R rating? All movies don't need to be Rated R. There were some moments in Logan that says yes they needed that and it would cause an R rating. But it's like they said let's add a random nude shot and a lot of swearing to take advantage of the R rating we'll get. |
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Post by Lee on Mar 5, 2017 19:03:34 GMT
Not true. Action movies for example, does need an R-Rating, to show an realistic view in violence.
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Post by Ecstasy on Mar 5, 2017 19:10:06 GMT
I could see The Winter Solider with a R-Rating. But does it need an R rating? All movies don't need to be Rated R. There were some moments in Logan that says yes they needed that and it would cause an R rating. But it's like they said let's add a random nude shot and a lot of swearing to take advantage of the R rating we'll get. Did it need it? No. I'm just saying that is really the only film I wouldn't have mind being rated R. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 5, 2017 19:21:28 GMT
Not true. Action movies for example, does need an R-Rating, to show an realistic view in violence. Most of the violence in action movies is pretty over the top and not realistic though.
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Post by Lee on Mar 5, 2017 19:32:29 GMT
But in PG-13 action movies, people arent allowed to get harmed, or have injuries. Even clothes arent get damaged.
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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 5, 2017 19:44:39 GMT
But does it need an R rating? All movies don't need to be Rated R. There were some moments in Logan that says yes they needed that and it would cause an R rating. But it's like they said let's add a random nude shot and a lot of swearing to take advantage of the R rating we'll get. Did it need it? No. I'm just saying that is really the only film I wouldn't have mind being rated R. The thing is that all movies can be rated R, but at the same time no film has to be rated R. Most people that say that films have to be or should be want this outward reason to feel grown up. Most movies that go for the R rating use it in childish ways and turn the movie into a grown-up kid's movie. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 5, 2017 19:46:19 GMT
But in PG-13 action movies, people arent allowed to get harmed, or have injuries. Even clothes arent get damaged. Have you actually watched them? They get hurt all the time and even die. The only thing that's missing is gore and constant swearing and hard nudity. |
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Post by Lee on Mar 5, 2017 19:52:56 GMT
I have watched many PG-13 action films. But none of these shows getting injuries. People doenst even bleed if they get shot, stabbed, or beat down.
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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 5, 2017 19:57:21 GMT
I have watched many PG-13 action films. But none of these shows getting injuries. People doenst even bleed if they get shot, stabbed, or beat down. Tony Stark gets bloody in most of the movies he's in. What you want is gore. |
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