No R-Rated Marvel Movies

Sorry but i dont talk about about Winter Soldier. Im talk about straight action movies.

thats why i wrote actionmovies not superhero movies.

Yes, because it is fantasy.  I think that's why people flock into that direction.  For years people have been saying that they took the fantasy out of X-men and made it more sci-fi.  That's why Spider-man and Deadpool did so much better.  Hopefully Logan does the same thing.  Even though it's a more grounded movie in feel, the action is still more fantasy than the other X-men movies.

I agree with the rhetoric that an R rating can't make an already bad script into a great one.

But so far Deadpool was good and Logan was even better. If they're going to keep making superhero films, then by all means more R rated ones, not due to the content but the tone and feel of the R rated ones flow better. The PG-13 jokey Marvel Studios stuff has been exhausted, since 2008 it has felt like the same template being used but with different superheroes in place. I mean, Guardians for me was a soundtrack with actors in the background.

That said CA2 and Iron Man 3, I enjoyed a lot.

Why the hostility? I enjoy the more relaxed nature of the R-rated Marvels from Fox. In comparison there are no boundaries. I never once proclaimed nor eluded to R-rated films being superior than their PG-13 counterparts, but I do prefer them more. You're putting words into my mouth, Nolan's Dark Knight films are PG-13, and they work because of the restraints. I wouldn't want to see a Batman movie with blood and guts spurting everywhere with every other word being a swear word.

However you'd expect to see more blood than ever before in a Wolverine movie, and swearing/perverse talk in a Deadpool adaption. I agree with your remark about films being rated accordingly for the source material/nature of the work. I like how (so far...) the R-rated Marvel films are more fleshed out and character driven, even Deadpool with its lashings of humour I felt I got to know the titular character. But for example the presence of Ant-Man felt more staged, like I was waiting for the next one-liner. In a way like an Arnie film.

I like movies such as Die Hard and Lethal Weapon, they're products of the 80's. The buddy/sarcastic laid back cop trope is perfectly fitting for a movie like that. I'm not stating my opinion as fact, it's a matter of preference, I prefer my superhero films dark and brooding. You can say it's a cliche, I'm no edgy guy I just prefer it that way. I prefer to see superheroes as humans but with exceptional abilities struggle with their dark past. Marvel is fine, but it's a bit too chummy/pally for me, I'd like to see the darkside of Tony Stark. No hard feelings.

Looks like Logan doing well. With how successful both Deadpool and Logan are, do you think Marvel Studious will give a R rated film a shot?

I respect your stance and I understand your frustration. I don't side with the repeated lark from edgy DC fans who think the DCU reigns supreme due to grittiness. Too much grit and it leans towards being comical. If anything Suicide Squad is concrete proof of that, the Joker scenes to be exact.

I wouldn't say Captain America/Thor/Hulk films would need copious amounts of gore to be entertaining or even appropriate. But it does go to show that stripping important elements from the source material to fit a rating can lessen something or take away potential. The previous Wolverine movies and Daredevil in particular. It's not the old days when a movie would be shot without a rating in mind, these days they have a rating from the get go. Which is sad in a way, because there's less creative freedom when one guy behind the scenes is making sure everything in the script is suitable for the respective rating instead of just rolling with it. In fact if the MPAA didn't operate the way it did, there would be no pressure for execs to ever interfere with a movie because it wouldn't tarnish its box office. We can only dream.

It's a different system in the UK, where most films don't enter production with a precise rating in-mind.

If they do they'll go to Netflix.  Or, if it goes to theaters, they'll separate it from the MCU.  I can see them doing a sub studio and. doing like the comics, calling it Marvel Knights.  Making movies that are more adult oriented.  MCU².  But I can't see them suddenly making a Rated R Iron Man.

If you can get away with making a movie just as great with a PG13 rating rather than an R, then you should always go for PG 13. The only time you really want to go with an R rating if it means you'll be able to make a better movie with it, otherwise there's really no reason to do it.

In any case, it's really not necessary for the movies that MCU is doing. We must remember that a huge demographic for superhero movies are kids and teens. You really don't want to alienate that demographic just to appeal to a select few.