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Post by merh on Oct 26, 2017 1:46:33 GMT
The problem my fluffy pair are having is the record breaking heat. The short hair pair seem less miserable. It hit 105 today. At 11:30 pm it is 80 degrees. Steve Rogers is a good guy. He is from an era where a lot of people tried to so the right thing. The biggest complaint I got from other Comic book fans about Man of Steel was it wasn't Superman. He's also a good guy. Tony Stark was wrong when he said science was everything special about Cap. Steve Rogers was picked because he was a good guy, not a bully. Which Tony Stark often is. Not every hero has to be Batman. This article from 2016 serves as a sentimental post mortem for Man of Steel. It's well sourced and very insightful. www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2016/02/the-trouble-with-superman/435408/But maybe we should continue to refer to recent efforts to "save" or "fix" the character as a character "arc." Hee hee hee... Very good article. Supes is a good guy, a friend. He is not a God no matter how powerful he is because he does not see himself as a God. He sees himself as a resident of earth with the power to protect it. I do not get the "He's too strong!!!" Who cares? That's the gloriousness that is Alucard in Hellsing. Spectre possesses godlike powers & is a bit insane, but only goes after bad guys. So Supes is powerful. We need that sometimes in this world where 60 people can be killed by an evil asswipe who seems motivated by the desire to be an evil asswipe. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 26, 2017 1:49:25 GMT
I wouldn't say Superman has a great or deep Rogues' Gallery.
He's got Luthor, Brainiac, interchangeable Kryptonian Enemies (Jax-Ur and Zod)....after that they're just generic space conquerors (Mongul) and useless villains like Toyman and Prankster. It's one reason why the higher ups at DC eventually made Darkseid more of a Superman enemy, the other reason being that Orion isn't that great a protagonist for the New Gods storyline.
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Post by merh on Oct 26, 2017 1:52:30 GMT
I think you bring up some pretty solid points. Really, each movie brand has only a handful of truly iconic foes over their histories. For Marvel, it's Magneto, Doc Oc, Loki, and probably now the Vulture, and then to a lesser degree Dafoe's Green Goblin and Ultron (love them or hate them). For DC and the DCEU, really it's been Nicholson's and Ledger's Jokers, Stamp's General Zod, and probably Pfeiffer's Catwoman and Eckhart's Two-Face, and then to a lesser degree DeVito's Penguin and Hardy's Bane (love them or hate them). Of course, each side has a chance to add another one. "Justice League" is trying to drum up anticipation for Steppenwolf and Darkseid, while Thanos has had years of buildup, a few major cameos, and is getting tons of hype. Not to mention that for Thanos, the Russos confirmed he will be considered almost the main character in "Avengers: Infinity War." Comics-wise, DC has a clear advantage in having villains who are well-known names due to Superman and Batman having deep rogues galleries. But in the films, they're pretty well-matched in terms of iconic or memorable portrayals. I wish whoever-Fox? Would give up the FF not for the FF but for Doctor Doom. Damn, you know Marvel would get him right & he is their Lex Luthor. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 26, 2017 2:01:11 GMT
I wouldn't say Superman has a great or deep Rogues' Gallery. He's got Luthor, Brainiac, interchangeable Kryptonian Enemies (Jax-Ur and Zod)....after that they're just generic space conquerors (Mongul) and useless villains like Toyman and Prankster. It's one reason why the higher ups at DC eventually made Darkseid more of a Superman enemy, the other reason being that Orion isn't that great a protagonist for the New Gods storyline. Superman has a great rogues gallery:
Brainiac
Cyborg Superman
Darkseid
Doomsday
Livewire
Luthor
Maxima
Metallo
Mongul
Mxyzptlk
Parasite
Toyman
Zod
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 26, 2017 2:34:59 GMT
I wouldn't say Superman has a great or deep Rogues' Gallery. He's got Luthor, Brainiac, interchangeable Kryptonian Enemies (Jax-Ur and Zod)....after that they're just generic space conquerors (Mongul) and useless villains like Toyman and Prankster. It's one reason why the higher ups at DC eventually made Darkseid more of a Superman enemy, the other reason being that Orion isn't that great a protagonist for the New Gods storyline. Superman has a great rogues gallery:
Brainiac
Cyborg Superman
Darkseid
Doomsday
Livewire
Luthor
Maxima
Metallo
Mongul
Mxyzptlk
Parasite
Toyman
Zod
The Cyborg is pretty one-note, Darkseid is a transplant from the 4th World series, Doomsday is a mindless beast, Livewire isn't much of anything, Maxima is just the embodiment of horniness, Mongul is fairly generic, Parasite can be good when used right...which isn't often, Toyman and Prankster are harmless, and Metallo more often than not is just a thug. He's only got Luthor, Brainiac and the interchangeable Kryptonian villain (Jax-Ur and Zod). Like I said, the lack of decent villains is why Darkseid was transplanted in. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 26, 2017 3:18:05 GMT
Superman has a great rogues gallery:
Brainiac
Cyborg Superman
Darkseid
Doomsday
Livewire
Luthor
Maxima
Metallo
Mongul
Mxyzptlk
Parasite
Toyman
Zod
The Cyborg is pretty one-note, Darkseid is a transplant from the 4th World series, Doomsday is a mindless beast, Livewire isn't much of anything, Maxima is just the embodiment of horniness, Mongul is fairly generic, Parasite can be good when used right...which isn't often, Toyman and Prankster are harmless, and Metallo more often than not is just a thug. He's only got Luthor, Brainiac and the interchangeable Kryptonian villain (Jax-Ur and Zod). Like I said, the lack of decent villains is why Darkseid was transplanted in. Nah, [insert the opposite of whatever you said; I'm too lazy to even read it]. |
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Post by harpospoke on Oct 26, 2017 5:11:03 GMT
I wouldn't say Superman has a great or deep Rogues' Gallery. He's got Luthor, Brainiac, interchangeable Kryptonian Enemies (Jax-Ur and Zod)....after that they're just generic space conquerors (Mongul) and useless villains like Toyman and Prankster. It's one reason why the higher ups at DC eventually made Darkseid more of a Superman enemy, the other reason being that Orion isn't that great a protagonist for the New Gods storyline. Superman has a great rogues gallery:
Brainiac
Cyborg Superman
Darkseid
Doomsday
Livewire
Luthor
Maxima
Metallo
Mongul
Mxyzptlk
Parasite
Toyman
Zod
Great is subjective. But the public doesn't know many of his foes. Lex, Zod...that's it...and Zod is pushing it. Brainiac is a well known term for "smart person"...but almost no one knows that comes from a Superman villain. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2017 6:09:49 GMT
Superman has a great rogues gallery:
Brainiac
Cyborg Superman
Darkseid
Doomsday
Livewire
Luthor
Maxima
Metallo
Mongul
Mxyzptlk
Parasite
Toyman
Zod
Great is subjective. But the public doesn't know many of his foes. Lex, Zod...that's it...and Zod is pushing it. Brainiac is a well known term for "smart person"...but almost no one knows that comes from a Superman villain.
Then we have Tempus in 'Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman' - a show that was so popular in its first three seasons it was getting around 20-30 million viewers a week and slaughtering a LOT of other shows people now call the greatest of all time around the world. 'Lois and Clark’ was so popular Dean Cain and Teri Hatcher were often getting their faces on the front of magazines and newspapers and being voted as the most popular TV show and TV couple of the year. A lot of younger fail to realise how popular ‘Lois and Clark’ and ‘Smallville’ were since they aren’t old enough to remember but to put both were massively popular worldwide and got high ratings especially in their early years. Kevin Feige has even praised the success of 'Smallville' and said if it wasn't for that show keeping the genre alive the MCU and DCEU wouldn't exist.
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Post by merh on Oct 26, 2017 9:51:48 GMT
I wouldn't say Superman has a great or deep Rogues' Gallery. He's got Luthor, Brainiac, interchangeable Kryptonian Enemies (Jax-Ur and Zod)....after that they're just generic space conquerors (Mongul) and useless villains like Toyman and Prankster. It's one reason why the higher ups at DC eventually made Darkseid more of a Superman enemy, the other reason being that Orion isn't that great a protagonist for the New Gods storyline. There is one of the differences between the 2 companies. I never feel the need to define Marvel heroes by their villains. Spiderman rocks on his own. Thor is the God of Thunder I define them by their struggles. Spiderman never seems to catch a break. Doctor Strange is the chief magical protector of earth. Cap has a strong moral compass |
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Post by harpospoke on Oct 26, 2017 17:13:36 GMT
Great is subjective. But the public doesn't know many of his foes. Lex, Zod...that's it...and Zod is pushing it. Brainiac is a well known term for "smart person"...but almost no one knows that comes from a Superman villain.
Then we have Tempus in 'Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman' - a show that was so popular in its first three seasons it was getting around 20-30 million viewers a week and slaughtering a LOT of other shows people now call the greatest of all time around the world. 'Lois and Clark’ was so popular Dean Cain and Teri Hatcher were often getting their faces on the front of magazines and newspapers and being voted as the most popular TV show and TV couple of the year. A lot of younger fail to realise how popular ‘Lois and Clark’ and ‘Smallville’ were since they aren’t old enough to remember but to put both were massively popular worldwide and got high ratings especially in their early years. Kevin Feige has even praised the success of 'Smallville' and said if it wasn't for that show keeping the genre alive the MCU and DCEU wouldn't exist.
Some of that I agree with. But you are talking about a different group of people. The fans of the genre of course know about Brainiac. But I was talking about the general public. I mean...I watched every single episode of Smallville. It was a terrible show at times (Lana..ugh) but I stuck it out till the end. (I'll watch anything with Superman in it) I could be convinced that Tom Welling is the best Supes ever.  Check out the Smallville ratings: smallville.wikia.com/wiki/RatingsIt peaked at 7.8 million and #113 and was down to 2+ million in the final couple of seasons. So we really are talking about the geek community here. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2017 6:34:53 GMT
Some of that I agree with. But you are talking about a different group of people. The fans of the genre of course know about Brainiac. But I was talking about the general public. I mean...I watched every single episode of Smallville. It was a terrible show at times (Lana..ugh) but I stuck it out till the end. (I'll watch anything with Superman in it) I could be convinced that Tom Welling is the best Supes ever. Check out the Smallville ratings: smallville.wikia.com/wiki/RatingsIt peaked at 7.8 million and #113 and was down to 2+ million in the final couple of seasons. So we really are talking about the geek community here.
Movies make villains and superheroes well known to the general public and up until the MCU and DCEU the most well-known superheroes were Superman, Batman, Spider-Man, Wonder Woman, The Phantom, X Men, Supergirl, Batgirl, Robin, the Incredible Hulk, Spawn, The Crow, The Mask, Witchblade, Captain Planet, the Fantastic Four and Buffy and that was ‘cause they had their own movies and TV shows. Sabrina the Teenage Witch, Richie Rich, Dennis the Menace, Sheena: Queen of the Jungle, Josie and the Pussycats, Annie, the Addams Family, Archie and Garfield are other comic book characters that were well known thanks to multiple adaptions on screen but a lot of people didn’t know some of those were comic books. Superheroes like Iron Man, Ant Man, Thor, Aquaman, Green Lantern, Black Widow, Hawkeye, Cyborg, Black Panther etc were all obscure characters only a handful of people knew of outside of comic book fans in the 90s and a lot of people I know think Cyborg is a Robocop knockoff or it is a remake of the Van Damme movie. For DC villains and superheroes to be well known to the public more of them need to be used on screen.
That being said, 'Smallville' was one of the top 10 most watched shows of the week here in Australia when it was on Channel 10 in Seasons 3, 4, 5 and 6 and at one point they were airing two episodes of 'Smallville' a week at 7:30 pm on Channel 10 so it was not just the geek community but both 'Dawson's Creek' and 'Alias' were far more popular here than they were in America and 'Dawson's Creek' dominated and was the number one most watched show on free to air TV in the late 90s/ early 00s. 'Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman' was huge though and when they had Dean Cain and Teri Hatcher on Sunrise recently they said it was not only one of the most watched shows of the 90s it was one of the most watched shows in the history of television so I would put Tempus on the list of well known Superman supervillains depending on the age group.  |
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