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Post by scabab on Oct 25, 2017 21:18:20 GMT
I find it hilarious that someone with a Boba Fett avatar thinks he's in any position to criticize anything about films. That's uncalled for. What's that got to do with anything?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 21:23:37 GMT
I find it hilarious that someone with a Boba Fett avatar thinks he's in any position to criticize anything about films. That's uncalled for. What's that got to do with anything? He's a troll who always acts like he's better than the MCU fanbase. So I always give him a little taste of his own medicine.
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 25, 2017 21:30:28 GMT
He enjoys his life because he has everything going for him unlike his comic counter part. Or because he can still find joy in life despite everything else. He earned it back. Not many people hated him, even Jameson admitted that being wrong about him so much was damaging the Bugle's reputation. And the Cops DID try to shoot at him in this movie. The comics have never been very consistent on this either. Aunt May was never that bad off in the comics, she was always stronger than Peter realized. He just made a mountain out of a molehill. The comics even pointed this out. This Peter and May couldn't even afford a house, they live in an apartment. That makes them less off than the ones that DID have a house. Flashed back off from Peter pretty early on in the comics too. And he has ONE actual friend here. You're quoting the Raimi version more than the actual early comics. And anyways, some of that stuff was outdated anywho.
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Post by scabab on Oct 25, 2017 21:40:52 GMT
He enjoys his life because he has everything going for him unlike his comic counter part. Or because he can still find joy in life despite everything else. He earned it back. Not many people hated him, even Jameson admitted that being wrong about him so much was damaging the Bugle's reputation. And the Cops DID try to shoot at him in this movie. The comics have never been very consistent on this either. Aunt May was never that bad off in the comics, she was always stronger than Peter realized. He just made a mountain out of a molehill. The comics even pointed this out. This Peter and May couldn't even afford a house, they live in an apartment. That makes them less off than the ones that DID have a house. Flashed back off from Peter pretty early on in the comics too. And he has ONE actual friend here. You're quoting the Raimi version more than the actual early comics. And anyways, some of that stuff was outdated anywho. What's this everything else? Besides the Vulture incident he didn't really have much in the way of problems, he was mostly carefree and bored. There were a lot against Spider-man at one point. Not just the cops but pedestrians would give him crap too because Spider-man would often do a good thing but then they'd shout at him on the street anyway. His reputation was that bad even other heroes like Human Torch thought he was a problem at first. Either way it was a thing and the Raimi movies went that route a little but Homecoming hasn't. I can't remember the cops shooting at him though. Aunt May was in bad shape financially, they got a lot of last notice bills which Peter would know about but her Aunt would pretend didn't exist so not to worry him. That was why he got a job to help out. The Raimi movies also followed this with Spider-man 2 where Peter refused Aunt Mays birthday money because she had nothing. In Homecoming yeah they don't have a house but there was no financial problem. In the comics Peter has Harry as a friend whose dad of course was Green Goblin and then Harry later because a Goblin himself. Which again the Raimi movies were pretty accurate too. In Homecoming his friend is Ned who was never one of Peters friends....he was actually Betty Brants wife.
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Post by damngumby on Oct 25, 2017 21:51:16 GMT
The “worst” Spider-Man movie got better reviews and a better box-office than the very best that DC could muster. That’s pretty embarrassing, if you ask me.
If a 3rd tier Thor movie beats out the upcoming team-up of DC A-Listers, the humiliation this year will be complete.
Two humiliating years in a row. Yikes!
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 25, 2017 21:51:33 GMT
What's this everything else? Worrying about to be Spidey while knowing people know who he is, what it'll means for him and May if he joins the Avengers, some minor school problems...admittedly the Vulture stuff took precedence and most issues revolved around him. Which was pretty inconsistent, those instances went away pretty fast. Here the cops tried to shoot at him at Washington. And these Parkers live in a smaller apartment, which means they don't spend as much and aren't as bad off financially as a result. A case of an outdated thing being updated. Just like May's incredibly sexist portrayal in the comics. Yes, but those characters didn't show up until later in college in the original comics. They merged him and Ganke together.
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Post by scabab on Oct 25, 2017 22:12:57 GMT
Whether he lives in apartment in that movie compared to a house in the other movies is kinda beside the point. It was a thing in the Raimi movies that Aunt May didn't really have much money and it was a concern for Peter. Like the scene where the two are at the bank.
It's not a concern that Holland's Spider-man has been to shown along with other things.
And yeah Mary Jane and Harry Osbourne were introduced in the college days in the comics but were around since school in the Raimi movies is pretty minor and understandable considering they didn't even focus on the college part much to begin with.
It was still far more accurate to how Homecoming portrayed characters. Flash Thompson was still a bully in the Raimi movies. In Homecoming he was a small nuisance and instead of being on the football team...he was on the academic decathlon team...
Yeah Ned Leeds was clearly Ganke but for some reason still called him Ned who he has zero in common with.
Liz Allen who along with Flash picked on Peter in the comics, is now also part of the academic decathlon team and her dad is the Vulture who was really nothing at all like the comic version.
The Shocker wasn't even Herman Shultz in the end. Them there's "MJ" and depending on how that goes then that's also problematic.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 22:15:34 GMT
Whether he lives in apartment in that movie compared to a house in the other movies is kinda beside the point. It was a thing in the Raimi movies that Aunt May didn't really have much money and it was a concern for Peter. Like the scene where the two are at the bank. It's not a concern that Holland's Spider-man has been to shown along with other things. And yeah Mary Jane and Harry Osbourne were introduced in the college days in the comics but were around since school in the Raimi movies is pretty minor and understandable considering they didn't even focus on the college part much to begin with. It was still far more accurate to how Homecoming portrayed characters. Flash Thompson was still a bully in the Raimi movies. In Homecoming he was a small nuisance and instead of being on the football team...he was on the academic decathlon team... Yeah Ned Leeds was clearly Ganke but for some reason still called him Ned who he has zero in common with. Liz Allen who along with Flash picked on Peter in the comics, is now also part of the academic decathlon team and her dad is the Vulture who was really nothing at all like the comic version. The Shocker wasn't even Herman Shultz in the end. Them there's "MJ" and depending on how that goes then that's also problematic. Holland's Parker and Spider-Man still act more like the character does in the comics. Eh, the Raimi films were crap, anyway.
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Post by scabab on Oct 25, 2017 22:20:04 GMT
Holland's Parker and Spider-Man still act more like the character does in the comics. Eh, the Raimi films were crap, anyway. He's only really like the Ultimate version of Peter Parker and Spider-man. Which is where they also got that version of Ned (whose really Ganke) from. Otherwise he's not much at all like the old 616 version of the character. That's fine though. I don't mind that they change it up.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 22:21:36 GMT
Holland's Parker and Spider-Man still act more like the character does in the comics. Eh, the Raimi films were crap, anyway. He's only really like the Ultimate version of Peter Parker and Spider-man. Which is where they also got that version of Ned (whose really Ganke) from. Otherwise he's not much at all like the old 616 version of the character. That's fine though. I don't mind that they change it up. I'm reading through the year one compilation right now, and I'm getting serious Holland vibes off classic Parker.
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Post by scabab on Oct 25, 2017 22:35:57 GMT
He's only really like the Ultimate version of Peter Parker and Spider-man. Which is where they also got that version of Ned (whose really Ganke) from. Otherwise he's not much at all like the old 616 version of the character. That's fine though. I don't mind that they change it up. I'm reading through the year one compilation right now, and I'm getting serious Holland vibes off classic Parker. This is the original Peter Parker This is Toby Maguire Peter Parker. Now that's the 60's Peter Parker vibe. Then you've got Tom Holland's Peter Parker Completely different vibe altogether. He just looks like a normal ordinary guy, not the weak and bullied type. He is very similar to this Ultimate version.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 22:43:24 GMT
I'm reading through the year one compilation right now, and I'm getting serious Holland vibes off classic Parker. This is the original Peter Parker This is Toby Maguire Peter Parker. Now that's the 60's Peter Parker vibe. Then you've got Tom Holland's Peter Parker Completely different vibe altogether. He just looks like a normal ordinary guy, not the weak and bullied type. He is very similar to this Ultimate version. Holland still looks more like the original to me.
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Post by scabab on Oct 25, 2017 23:10:00 GMT
Holland still looks more like the original to me. Peter Parker looked like the stereotypical bespectacled bookworm. A Science geek that jocks like to bully and make fun of. Tom Holland looks nothing like that. He's good looking, well dressed, wears his nice headphones and is not someone you'd ever expect to be bullied for being a geek.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 23:22:08 GMT
Holland still looks more like the original to me. Peter Parker looked like the stereotypical bespectacled bookworm. A Science geek that jocks like to bully and make fun of.Tom Holland looks nothing like that. He's good looking, well dressed, wears his nice headphones and is not someone you'd ever expect to be bullied for being a geek. That describes Holland's looks perfectly. You kidding? I've seen plenty of guys who look Holland be popular targets of bullies.
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Post by scabab on Oct 26, 2017 0:40:45 GMT
Tom Holland doesn't even wear glasses. Who would look at a guy like that with his hoodie and earphones and think "Look at that geek, let's trip him up."
He looks like any ordinary guy.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2017 0:43:01 GMT
Tom Holland doesn't even wear glasses. Who would look at a guy like that with his hoodie and earphones and think "Look at that geek, let's trip him up." He looks like any ordinary guy. Yeah, because we only meet this one after he's Spider-Man. Parker typically doesn't need the glasses anymore after the bite. I've seen plenty of guys like Holland get the bully treatment. Its about appearances. Its about vulnerability. So does Parker most of the time after the bite.
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Post by scabab on Oct 26, 2017 0:50:31 GMT
He still wore glasses after he became Spider-man Peter Parker was bullied because he actually was a huge geek. Tom Holland wasn't bullied nor was he even much of a geek.
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 26, 2017 1:00:17 GMT
Whether he lives in apartment in that movie compared to a house in the other movies is kinda beside the point. It was a deliberate choice to show that they decided to either move to a smaller apartment to save money and it worked, or they never had the cash to maintain a house to begin with. [quote[It was still far more accurate to how Homecoming portrayed characters. Flash Thompson was still a bully in the Raimi movies.[/quote] That version of Flash is deeply outdated, they wanted to go for a different type of bully. The psychological one. It's not like either are really anything more than minor nuisances Peter hardly cares about. It's not like comics Ned had much of a character to begin with. In the comics her brother was a supervillain called the Molten Man. And the Vulture had a grand-daughter he cared for deeply. They merged the two things together. There's been more than one Shocker in the comics, the movie gave us both of them.
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 26, 2017 1:01:13 GMT
He still wore glasses after he became Spider-man Peter Parker was bullied because he actually was a huge geek. Tom Holland wasn't bullied nor was he even much of a geek. He only wore the glasses for a little while before Flash broke them, then Peter beat up Flash in a boxing match (after which Flash basically backed off from bullying him anymore) and stopped wearing them.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Oct 26, 2017 1:32:34 GMT
Before I post my assessment of SMH, I have to debunk the myth that I have an anti-MCU agenda. I've said many times before that I'm always unbiased and fair and give every MCU movie and show a fair chance. For example, despite the bad reviews for Iron Fist, I didn't think Iron Fist was that bad. MCU movies are just awful and Agents of SHIELD and Agent Carter and Jessica Jones are also awful. But Daredevil, Luke Cage, and Iron Fist aren't bad. I haven't watched The Defenders yet, so I can't comment if that's good or bad since my policy is that I never rate a movie or TV show until I've seen it for myself. So now that I've set the record straight, I'll post my unbiased and fair assessment of SMH. SMH is the worst movie adaptation of Spider-Man ever: 1st, SMH isn't even a Spider-Man movie. SMH is just an Iron Man movie with Spider-Man as a supporting character. Tony Stark is in the beginning, middle, and end of SMH. Iron Man comes to the rescue in SMH not once but TWICE! And while we saw Wonder Woman use her bullet-deflecting bracelets and magic lasso (2 powers that are integral to the Wonder Woman character) in her movie, in SMH Spider-Man not only doesn't use his Spider-Sense (a power integral to the Spider-Man character) but also uses AI suits given to him by Tony Stark. So Spider-Man in SMH was basically just another War Machine, using an AI suit made by Tony Stark.
If in the Wonder Woman movie, Wonder Woman started battling Ares with Batarangs and Bat-grenades, then DC fans would all say that was an awful movie. But when Spider-Man uses AI suits given to him by Tony Stark and basically is just another War Machine, MCU fans all say "Wow! Best Spider-Man movie evah!" How can anyone take MCU fans seriously when they think that a Spider-Man movie with Spider-Man being basically just another War Machine by using an AI suit made by Tony Stark instead of his own unique powers is the "Best Spider-Man movie evah!"?2nd, SMH turned Marvel's flagship character Spider-Man from a superhero who cares about using his powers for good because he has a "great responsibility" (as he learned from not stopping the thief who would kill Uncle Ben) into an immature and shallow show-off who only cares about "When is Happy Hogan going to call me back?" and "I hope Tony Stark is impressed with what I'm doing". Now that I've posted my unbiased and fair assessment of SMH, I'll also address a couple of comments that I've received in the past from MCU fans: 1. 1 MCU fan said " there is no logical support for the idea that Marvel fans were not justified in complaining about SM3, TASM, and TASM2. It certainly wasn't just Marvel fans taking a dim view of those movies." Spider-Man 2 and Spider-Man were 2 great movies. They were not only the 2 best Spider-Man movies ever but also 2 of the top 10 best superhero movies ever. So of course, SM3, TASM and TASM2 aren't going to measure up when compared to Spider-Man 2 and Spider-Man. But when SM3, TASM and TASM2 are compared to SMH, they're all much better than SMH for the very reason I stated above - that SMH turned Marvel's flagship character Spider-Man into an immature and shallow show-off who only cares about trying to impress Tony Stark. 2. 1 MCU fan said " I have no idea if that is your real opinion or just one that conveniently supports your overall anti-Marvel agenda." Like I explained above, I don't have an anti-MCU agenda. And it is my real opinion that SMH is the worst movie adaptation of Spider-Man ever. 1 of the most powerful moments in Spider-Man was when Spider-Man caught up to the thief who killed Uncle Ben in the empty warehouse and Spider-Man got a good look at his face and Spider-Man for the 1st time realized that he could've easily stopped the thief earlier that night but let that thief get away. That's the defining moment in the history of the Spider-Man character because that is what drove Peter to use his powers for good.
But SMH essentially wipes out (basically retcons out) that defining moment from their version of the Spider-Man character by turning Spider-Man into an immature and shallow show-off who only cares about trying to impress Tony Stark. That's why SMH is the worst movie adaptation of Spider-Man ever.The fact that you say you are unbiased and repeat it completely in this thread confirms you are indeed biased and about everything anti-MCU. Fuckin' click bait thread. And a lot of the points you're bitching and moaning about, you just don't get it.
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