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Post by harpospoke on Oct 28, 2017 1:53:06 GMT
All we can do is talk about the odd theory you have that people are paying money to see movies they really aren't interested in seeing. Nope. Not what I said but you can keep going. I dont mind. I know exactly what you are saying. You are trying to claim that people don't really like Marvel movies and are being somehow coerced into spending their money to see them. One of the weaker anti-Marvel conspiracy theories I've heard. ...And that' saying something because there are some REALLY weak ones out there.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2017 2:00:02 GMT
Nope. Not what I said but you can keep going. I dont mind. I know exactly what you are saying. You are trying to claim that people don't really like Marvel movies and are being somehow coerced into spending their money to see them. One of the weaker anti-Marvel conspiracy theories I've heard. ...And that' saying something because there are some REALLY weak ones out there. I'm shocked he didn't believe in Planet X.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Oct 28, 2017 8:19:22 GMT
I know exactly what you are saying. You are trying to claim that people don't really like Marvel movies and are being somehow coerced into spending their money to see them. Nope.
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 28, 2017 11:40:52 GMT
And Ragnarok will be forgotten in about 2 months like all other Marvel movies. I am more of a Marvel fan than DC but the reality is these movies are churned out on an assembly line then accompanied by massive Pravda-inspired marketing. Eh, when you have that much success at every turn people KNOW not to bet against you. The "assembly line" is one of success, critical and commercial.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Oct 28, 2017 16:08:36 GMT
Eh, when you have that much success at every turn people KNOW not to bet against you. The "assembly line" is one of success, critical and commercial. No the assembly line is things like generic music that no one can identify a tune in. Villains that are not threatening etc.
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Post by harpospoke on Oct 28, 2017 17:32:41 GMT
Eh, when you have that much success at every turn people KNOW not to bet against you. The "assembly line" is one of success, critical and commercial. No the assembly line is things like generic music that no one can identify a tune in. Villains that are not threatening etc. And yet the public somehow hasn't noticed these things you claim are evident.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Oct 28, 2017 17:43:05 GMT
And yet the public somehow hasn't noticed these things you claim are evident. Weak scores or even weak plots does not prevent an "any port in a storm" phenomenon when it comes to weekly movie watching. The original point was on the studio marketing as you keep ignoring and changing the subject. Looking for weak spots in the armor eh?
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Oct 28, 2017 17:48:31 GMT
And yet the public somehow hasn't noticed these things you claim are evident. Weak scores or even weak plots does not prevent an "any port in a storm" phenomenon when it comes to weekly movie watching. The original point was on the studio marketing as you keep ignoring and changing the subject. Looking for weak spots in the armor eh? He blew your marketing theory away a long time ago. Maybe you forgot since this conversation has been going on forever.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Oct 28, 2017 17:57:33 GMT
He blew your marketing theory away a long time ago. Maybe you forgot since this conversation has been going on forever. No-he brought up 70s marketing which was a mistake because it only validated the point all the more. Then he kept changing the subject. He is the one who can't let it go. I told him everything was OK and he just kept going. What else can I do? Just trying to humor him until he finds another distraction.
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 28, 2017 19:10:13 GMT
Eh, when you have that much success at every turn people KNOW not to bet against you. The "assembly line" is one of success, critical and commercial. No the assembly line is things like generic music that no one can identify a tune in. Villains that are not threatening etc. So basically you're PO'ed that the movie bothers making you pay attention to what's on the screen instead of the music. And that the villains aren't omnipotent.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Oct 28, 2017 19:13:41 GMT
So basically you're PO'ed that the movie bothers making you pay attention to what's on the screen instead of the music. And that the villains aren't omnipotent. Not PO'ed at all. I forgot about this subject 2 seconds after I posted on it. Others seem to get upset about criticism of it. To each their own. Disney said music was 50% of the experience in a movie (I think Kubrick and Spielberg agreed with him). If the music is bland I think it matters. Now I know you will say the music isnt bland then I can bring out articles on the very subject of why MCU music is bland but I dont care enough about the subject to bother to link to them. Suffice it is to say that this topic has been discussed by others.
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Post by harpospoke on Oct 28, 2017 21:32:59 GMT
And yet the public somehow hasn't noticed these things you claim are evident. Weak scores or even weak plots does not prevent an "any port in a storm" phenomenon when it comes to weekly movie watching. The original point was on the studio marketing as you keep ignoring and changing the subject. Looking for weak spots in the armor eh? You don't understand how free markets work. If people don't like a product, they stop using it. A bad restaurant does not continue to thrive because of some imagined "any port in a storm"....people stop eating there. Another interesting excuse though. We should make a list and add "the public only keep going to these movies because of an Any Port in a Storm Phenomenon". Interesting what the mind reaches for to avoid confronting a situation that causes damage to the ego. In this case...your opinion that these movies are not worth paying money for. So if the public is not reacting the way they should logically act if your opinion were shared by them....you have to come up with excuses. Let's see: 1-The studios are hypnotizing the public into spending money on movies they aren't interested in 2-"Any Port in a Storm" where apparently staying home is not an option for the public (even though you actually pointed out the public did exactly that during the summer)
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Oct 28, 2017 21:41:35 GMT
You don't understand how free markets work. If people don't like a product, they stop using it. A bad restaurant does not continue to thrive because of some imagined "any port in a storm"....people stop eating there. If it was a free market there would be competition. There is none. The big Hollywood studios bought up all the smaller players or ran them out of business (happened in England in the 70s).
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 29, 2017 0:34:17 GMT
You don't understand how free markets work. If people don't like a product, they stop using it. A bad restaurant does not continue to thrive because of some imagined "any port in a storm"....people stop eating there. If it was a free market there would be competition. There is none. There is, just not as successful and loaded with cash. But they're there.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Oct 29, 2017 0:41:52 GMT
There is, just not as successful and loaded with cash. But they're there. They have been shut out thanks to the MONOPOLY. It started in earnest in the 80s but for countries like England Hollywood was doing its magic earlier. EMI, Rank, Hammer, etc. The first and well regarded superhero film The Adventures of Captain Marvel was made by Republic--one of the small indies. DC turned them down for a Superman adaptation so they went to CM, and it was hugely successful. Similar thing with Disney-shut out by the Hollywood majors so they made Snow White through United Artists and voila-most successful film of the year. No brainer really since Walt Disney came from the heritage of his audience and knew what they would like. Art works best when the artists come from the heritage of their audience--not flown in from another continent.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2017 0:45:03 GMT
If it was a free market there would be competition. There is none. There is, just not as successful and loaded with cash. But they're there. You and harpo are reminding me of a pair of cats, and primemover is the mouse.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Oct 29, 2017 0:48:37 GMT
There's more than enough studios to provide plenty of competition, not to mention cable and streaming networks. As someone else already pointed out there are hundreds of movies every year. People have plenty of options and they make their choices.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2017 0:50:53 GMT
There's more than enough studios to provide plenty of competition, not to mention cable and streaming networks. As someone else already pointed out there are hundreds of movies every year. People have plenty of options and they make their choices. Do you think he also believes that Walt Disney is running underneath Disney World with a robot spider body, feasting on Cuban children?
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Oct 29, 2017 1:06:05 GMT
BTW. Thor was at 95% earlier but is now back up to 96% RT score.
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Post by harpospoke on Oct 29, 2017 1:44:23 GMT
You don't understand how free markets work. If people don't like a product, they stop using it. A bad restaurant does not continue to thrive because of some imagined "any port in a storm"....people stop eating there. If it was a free market there would be competition. There is none. The big Hollywood studios bought up all the smaller players or ran them out of business (happened in England in the 70s). Well unfortunately, reality does not support your theory. Almost 600 movies so far this year alone from a large number of studios: www.boxofficemojo.com/yearly/chart/?yr=2017&p=.htmI guess all that sounds good in your head. But if you want to see hipster movies made by independent studios you can do that. I haven't even heard of most of those studios but they still manage to make movies that get released in theaters. You may have to find the theater that is showing them but they are out there. And of course once they leave theaters it's a simple matter to watch them right in your house. So relax and enjoy more movies than you could possibly hope to watch in any given year. (there were over 700 movies released last year) In order to watch all the movies you want, you would probably have to stop posting here...too time consuming. But of course we wouldn't want that!
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