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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2017 2:08:41 GMT
Do those two guys have to sign it? If not, why not?
And don't say that it's only designed to regulate the Avengers. That's not entirely true. If that was its only function, then Cap and all the other people who didn't want to sign it would still be allowed to operate (as long as they left the team).
It's designed to regulate superhuman activity. And yet, we have no evidence that Doctor Strange and/or Spider-Man have signed it. But they need to, otherwise they'd need to be hunted down by Tony Stark.
Main question: What is the point of the Sokovia Accords if no one cares enough to enforce it?
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 26, 2017 2:38:32 GMT
No one knows about Dr Strange, so that explains that.
As for Spidey, Tony has a soft spot for him so he tries to do what he can to make sure Peter is protected from the Accords.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Oct 26, 2017 2:44:50 GMT
Do those two guys have to sign it? If not, why not? And don't say that it's only designed to regulate the Avengers. That's not entirely true. If that was its only function, then Cap and all the other people who didn't want to sign it would still be allowed to operate (as long as they left the team). It's designed to regulate superhuman activity. And yet, we have no evidence that Doctor Strange and/or Spider-Man have signed it. But they need to, otherwise they'd need to be hunted down by Tony Stark. Peter is a minor and Strange is backed by a cabal of magic practitioners who would also have to sign up if he did. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2017 2:49:10 GMT
Good luck to Tony in hunting down Strange, considering the man can just open a portal, walk through, and be a million miles away once through. Or on a different plain of existence.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2017 3:02:16 GMT
No one knows about Dr Strange, so that explains that. As for Spidey, Tony has a soft spot for him so he tries to do what he can to make sure Peter is protected from the Accords. He made a few messes around the globe in his solo movie. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2017 3:03:33 GMT
Do those two guys have to sign it? If not, why not? And don't say that it's only designed to regulate the Avengers. That's not entirely true. If that was its only function, then Cap and all the other people who didn't want to sign it would still be allowed to operate (as long as they left the team). It's designed to regulate superhuman activity. And yet, we have no evidence that Doctor Strange and/or Spider-Man have signed it. But they need to, otherwise they'd need to be hunted down by Tony Stark. Peter is a minor and Strange is backed by a cabal of magic practitioners who would also have to sign up if he did. Where does it say that you have to be over 18 to sign the Accords? And you're right about the second thing. All of them need to sign it too. So why isn't Tony hunting them down? What's the point of the Sokovia Accords if no one is going to enforce it? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2017 3:04:26 GMT
Good luck to Tony in hunting down Strange, considering the man can just open a portal, walk through, and be a million miles away once through. Or on a different plain of existence. That doesn't excuse him not trying. There's no point to having the Sokovia Accords if they aren't going to enforce it. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 26, 2017 3:08:55 GMT
Do those two guys have to sign it? If not, why not? And don't say that it's only designed to regulate the Avengers. That's not entirely true. If that was its only function, then Cap and all the other people who didn't want to sign it would still be allowed to operate (as long as they left the team). It's designed to regulate superhuman activity. And yet, we have no evidence that Doctor Strange and/or Spider-Man have signed it. But they need to, otherwise they'd need to be hunted down by Tony Stark. Peter is a minor But the government doesn't know if Spider-Man is a minor. So in order for Peter to not sign the Accords, he has to reveal to the government that he's Spider-Man and he's a minor. |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Oct 26, 2017 3:13:39 GMT
But the government doesn't know if Spider-Man is a minor. So in order for Peter to not sign the Accords, he has to reveal to the government that he's Spider-Man and he's a minor. The net effect would be that he doesn't have to sign. Minors can't enter into legal agreements. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 26, 2017 3:14:17 GMT
Peter is a minor and Strange is backed by a cabal of magic practitioners who would also have to sign up if he did. Where does it say that you have to be over 18 to sign the Accords? And you're right about the second thing. All of them need to sign it too. So why isn't Tony hunting them down? What's the point of the Sokovia Accords if no one is going to enforce it? The Sokovia Accords was just a lame plot device to give the 2 sides a reason to fight in Civil War. SMH retconned the Sokovia Accords so it never happened.
That's why the high school showed a PSA with Cap in it. Cap is supposed to be a fugitive so no high school in the country would show their students a PSA with a criminal in it. It would be like a high school allowing their football coach to show the football team a PSA or motivational video with O.J. Simpson in it.
But SMH retconned the Sokovia Accords so it never happened and Cap isn't a fugitive from the law and that's why the school showed the PSA with Cap in it.
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 26, 2017 3:15:22 GMT
But the government doesn't know if Spider-Man is a minor. So in order for Peter to not sign the Accords, he has to reveal to the government that he's Spider-Man and he's a minor. The net effect would be that he doesn't have to sign. Minors can't enter into legal agreements. Spider-Man has to prove that he's a minor in order to use that exemption. So Peter would have to reveal to the government that he's Spider-Man and he's a minor. |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Oct 26, 2017 3:18:09 GMT
Good luck to Tony in hunting down Strange, considering the man can just open a portal, walk through, and be a million miles away once through. Or on a different plain of existence. That doesn't excuse him not trying. There's no point to having the Sokovia Accords if they aren't going to enforce it. The accords are designed to regulate the activities of enhanced individuals who either work for the government (SHIELD) or a private agency (the Avengers). The Doctor works for neither and is essentially self employed, as such, he is technically beyond the reach of the accords. |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Oct 26, 2017 3:19:49 GMT
The net effect would be that he doesn't have to sign. Minors can't enter into legal agreements. Spider-Man has to prove that he's a minor in order to use that exemption. So Peter would have to reveal to the government that he's Spider-Man and he's a minor. Will he have to sign the accords, yes or no? |
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 26, 2017 3:33:38 GMT
Spider-Man has to prove that he's a minor in order to use that exemption. So Peter would have to reveal to the government that he's Spider-Man and he's a minor. Will he have to sign the accords, yes or no? YES, Spider-Man will have to sign the Accords unless he can give a reason why he would be exempt. One reason would be if he's a minor, but only if he can prove that he's a minor. If he fails to prove that he's a minor, then YES he has to sign the Accords.
So either Peter has to reveal to the government that he's Spider-Man and he's a minor, or he has to sign the Accords.
But of course, SMH retconned the Accords so that the Accords never happened so it's moot.
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 26, 2017 3:38:22 GMT
That doesn't excuse him not trying. There's no point to having the Sokovia Accords if they aren't going to enforce it. The accords are designed to regulate the activities of enhanced individuals who either work for the government (SHIELD) or a private agency (the Avengers). The Doctor works for neither and is essentially self employed, as such, he is technically beyond the reach of the accords. No, if that were true, then MCU IS THE STUPIDEST THING EVER!
Nobody would write an Accord document that would say this doesn't apply if you're self-employed. Does the IRS say "Anyone who is self-employed is automatically exempt from filing a tax return and paying taxes"?
If MCU did that, then MCU IS THE STUPIDEST THING EVER!
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Post by Lord Death Man on Oct 26, 2017 3:40:51 GMT
Will he have to sign the accords, yes or no? YES, Spider-Man will have to sign the Accords unless he can give a reason why he would be exempt. One reason would be if he's a minor, but only if he can prove that he's a minor. If he fails to prove that he's a minor, then YES he has to sign the Accords.
So either Peter has to reveal to the government that he's Spider-Man and he's a minor, or he has to sign the Accords.
But of course, SMH retconned the Accords so that the Accords never happened so it's moot.
Sorry but, the correct answer is NO because Peter is a minor and he can prove it by producing the government issued passport he used to travel to Germany. The information he has to disclose in order not to sign the accords is immaterial to this discussion. Stop talking yourself in circles. Hee hee hee... |
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Post by Nalkarj on Oct 26, 2017 3:41:05 GMT
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 26, 2017 3:49:34 GMT
YES, Spider-Man will have to sign the Accords unless he can give a reason why he would be exempt. One reason would be if he's a minor, but only if he can prove that he's a minor. If he fails to prove that he's a minor, then YES he has to sign the Accords.
So either Peter has to reveal to the government that he's Spider-Man and he's a minor, or he has to sign the Accords.
But of course, SMH retconned the Accords so that the Accords never happened so it's moot.
Sorry but, the correct answer is NO because Peter is a minor and he can prove it by producing the government issued passport he used to travel to Germany. The information he has to disclose in order not to sign the accords is immaterial to this discussion. Stop talking yourself in circles. Hee hee hee... So Peter would produce the passport that the U.S. government issued to Peter Parker, thereby revealing himself to be Spider-Man, just like I said he would have to do. Thanks for proving that I'm right and you're wrong! |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Oct 26, 2017 4:01:29 GMT
Sorry but, the correct answer is NO because Peter is a minor and he can prove it by producing the government issued passport he used to travel to Germany. The information he has to disclose in order not to sign the accords is immaterial to this discussion. Stop talking yourself in circles. Hee hee hee... So Peter would produce the passport that the U.S. government issued to Peter Parker, thereby revealing himself to be Spider-Man, just like I said he would have to do. Thanks for proving that I'm right and you're wrong!I proved no such thing. You manufactured your own argument and proved it to be true - congratulations. My argument, the one that states he doesn't have to sign is correct. I never said he wouldn't have to reveal his identity therefore, I'm not wrong. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 26, 2017 4:04:23 GMT
So Peter would produce the passport that the U.S. government issued to Peter Parker, thereby revealing himself to be Spider-Man, just like I said he would have to do. Thanks for proving that I'm right and you're wrong!I proved no such thing. You manufactured your own argument and proved it to be true - congratulations. My argument, the one that states he doesn't have to sign is correct. I never said he wouldn't have to reveal his identity therefore, I'm not wrong. You just admitted that Peter would show his passport. So that means Peter would have to reveal himself to be Spider-Man, which is what I've been telling you. So YES, YOU'VE PROVEN THAT I'M RIGHT AND YOU'RE WRONG. THANKS FOR PROVING THAT I'M RIGHT (AS USUAL) AND YOU'RE WRONG! |
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