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Post by Lord Death Man on Oct 29, 2017 3:23:28 GMT
US Navy rescues sailors and their 2 dogs lost at sea for months (and diehard DC fan uses this real-life story of heroism on the part of the US armed services to further his hate campaign against a shared cinematic universe populated by fictional characters).
Hee hee hee...
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 29, 2017 4:39:04 GMT
US Navy rescues sailors and their 2 dogs lost at sea for months (and diehard DC fan uses this real-life story of heroism on the part of the US armed services to further his hate campaign against a shared cinematic universe populated by fictional characters). Hee hee hee... You omitted the part where he connected one with the other by citing examples and making an argument. But, I mean, when you're just gimmick-posting, what difference does it make? Hee hee hee...
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Oct 29, 2017 5:05:44 GMT
DC-Fan you just keep finding ways to sink even lower... I don't see you taking time out of your day to recognize the heroism of our fine servicemen and women. What's wrong with OP doing so in course of making what he feels is a relevant connection about the plot of a DCEU movie? Because he's not a very bright bulb. And you can cut the act, dude, you've done your job - DC-Fan really believes you're serious when you're being sarcastic. You've duped him, hence his likes.
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Post by dazz on Oct 29, 2017 5:11:58 GMT
if you haven't check out this vid explaining why the boat stuff makes no sense it's funny and meant to be taken as a joke but still shows it's just a bunch of bollocks to move the plot along that they put no real thought into. The video was made by an idiot. The idiot claims that Zack Synder doesn't know geography and tries to use geography as a reason for why they couldn't make that trip in less than a day, but that idiot doesn't seem to realize the geography of London - namely, that London is literally located inland from the sea on a river (the Thames River). why does the boat require a tow from such a slow tugboat to make good time, did it get tired?, does the magic only extend a few hundred miles from Themiscara? did Diana forget to charge the sodding thing? the question there is if it's magic why is it no longer magic by the time they reach London? But then it begs the question if Diana was meant to use the magic boat to find Ares quickly then why cant it make it to London in such good time without a tow Just admit the boat stuff is a cock up No, it's not. You do realize that London is located inland from the North Sea on the Thames River, right? To reach London from the North Sea, a boat has to sail up the Thames Estuary. That's why they needed the tow. Yeah I do know where London is located, I'm English and live about 20 miles away from the city, also pretty sure people sail the Thames so don't get your point of this being why they needed a tow, what I will say is them even trying to sail to London makes no damn sense once they arrived off the british coast.
But whatever you're too much a fanatical fan boy to admit it was a bad job in editing the film or just bad writing as well as too much of a something else entirely to admit you are simply wrong, so whatever mate carry on being a plonker, I gave you an out to admit it was a goof and who cares because it doesn't detract from the film but you keep on being a foaming at the mouth sycophant if you enjoy it you enjoy it.
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Post by dazz on Oct 29, 2017 5:25:40 GMT
US Navy rescues sailors and their 2 dogs lost at sea for months (and diehard DC fan uses this real-life story of heroism on the part of the US armed services to further his hate campaign against a shared cinematic universe populated by fictional characters). Hee hee hee... You omitted the part where he connected one with the other by citing examples and making an argument. But, I mean, when you're just gimmick-posting, what difference does it make? Hee hee hee... Except he didn't I mean what did he need this event to prove ships can be lost at sea? I mean no shit it's happened for thousands of years, but his justification that if it can happen to people sailing from Hawaii which is isolated by 1000's of miles of open water in every direction that it's the same as not being spotted when sailing from an island only 100-200 miles off the coast of mainland Europe and then having to travel alongside said mainland for the entirety of the trip, especially with german boats in the area specifically looking for them.
The comparison is ridiculous and pointless the one thing it proves is the one thing that doesn't need proving, the ocean is big but boats are small, also one reason they were hard to find is because instead of going south they went west meaning anyone looking would be looking in the wrong place and the longer they went without being found the larger the further out of any search area they were, Steve & Diana actually went exactly where the Germans expected them to go and knew their last known location, which means they should have been far more likely to spot.
His point has no real point if you think about it, just as there is no point in saying any of this because it's DC Fan and he's set to read only so he wont learn anything, but I'm bored so I post this to kill time...lalalala
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 29, 2017 5:50:02 GMT
The video was made by an idiot. The idiot claims that Zack Synder doesn't know geography and tries to use geography as a reason for why they couldn't make that trip in less than a day, but that idiot doesn't seem to realize the geography of London - namely, that London is literally located inland from the sea on a river (the Thames River). No, it's not. You do realize that London is located inland from the North Sea on the Thames River, right? To reach London from the North Sea, a boat has to sail up the Thames Estuary. That's why they needed the tow. people sail the Thames Yes, people sail the Thames River all the time so it's a high-traffic thoroughfare. I've driven from San Francisco to Los Angeles many times. It's a 400-mile (or about 640-kilometer) drive. The speed limit on the freeway is 65 MPH. On some of the country areas, where there are very few cars on the road, I can drive 85 MPH and put the car on cruise control and travel for many miles before I even see another car on the road. But on the urban areas, there's a lot more cars on the road and even though the speed limit is 65 MPH, I sometimes have to slow down to 40 MPH or less when there's heavy traffic and I can't put the car on cruise control because the traffic is sometimes stop-and-go. Likewise, when sailing a boat in the vast ocean or sea, where there might not be another boat around for as far as you can see, their boat can travel at high speeds. But when sailing on the Thames River, where there are a lot of other boats around, traveling at high speeds is too dangerous and could result in a collision so their boat can't travel at high speeds on the Thames River. Also, I believe the Thames River has navigational locks. So they can't just speed past a navigational lock. They would have to wait for the lock to open and the water to rise or fall to the appropriate level before passing through a lock. what I will say is them even trying to sail to London makes no damn sense once they arrived off the british coast. Steve stole the book from Ludendorff and Dr. Poison and wanted to get the book to the Generals. The Generals were in London. Why wouldn't it makes sense for them to sail to London? Do you think Steve should've just mailed the book to the Generals instead? Or maybe hire a courier to deliver the book by horseback to the Generals? it doesn't detract from the film Then why do you and sostie continue to blow it up as a huge thing? You even posted a 15-minute video of an idiot ranting about it and claiming that Sack Snyder didn't know geography when that idiot didn't even realize that London is located inland from the sea on the Thames River. You and sostie kept trying to blow it up as a huge thing so I offered a logical and reasonable explanation for it. I ask again, if the Gods can create a "magical" mist or fog to hide Themyscira from outsiders and the Gods can create a "magic" lasso that compels anyone to tell the truth, then why do you and sostie keep saying that it's impossible for the Gods to create a boat that can travel long distances over a short time?
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 29, 2017 6:10:22 GMT
You omitted the part where he connected one with the other by citing examples and making an argument. But, I mean, when you're just gimmick-posting, what difference does it make? Hee hee hee... The comparison is ridiculous and pointless the one thing it proves is the one thing that doesn't need proving, the ocean is big but boats are small, also one reason they were hard to find is because instead of going south they went west meaning anyone looking would be looking in the wrong place and the longer they went without being found the larger the further out of any search area they were
No, the comparison isn't ridiculous and pointless. The comparison is valid and proves how stupid sostie's claims were.
And I wasn't referring to any search. I'm referring to no one being able to spot the boat for months, which has nothing to do with them sailing in the wrong direction. The general rule of sea travel is when you see another ship or boat in distress or signaling that they're in distress, you try to help them if you can or radio the Coast Guard to help them if you can't.
So it doesn't have to be a ship or boat that's actively searching for them south of Hawaii. It can be a cruise ship or even a small fishing boat west of Hawaii that isn't actively searching for them. Unless the people on the boat are pirates or are carrying illegal cargo, if they see another ship or boat signaling that it's in distress, they would try to help or radio for help. In fact, that's how the boat was rescued.
"A Taiwanese fishing boat finally discovered them Tuesday, 900 miles southeast of Japan and thousands of miles from Tahiti. The crew contacted the U.S. Coast Guard at Guam."
So are you saying that there they weren't spotted for months because there were no other boats at all that sailed west of Hawaii for months? Or maybe it's because, as I've explained to sostie, it's just hard to spot a single small boat in the middle of the ocean, even during daytime?
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Post by dazz on Oct 29, 2017 6:55:48 GMT
Yes, people sail the Thames River all the time so it's a high-traffic thoroughfare. I've driven from San Francisco to Los Angeles many times. It's a 400-mile (or about 640-kilometer) drive. The speed limit on the freeway is 65 MPH. On some of the country areas, where there are very few cars on the road, I can drive 85 MPH and put the car on cruise control and travel for many miles before I even see another car on the road. But on the urban areas, there's a lot more cars on the road and even though the speed limit is 65 MPH, I sometimes have to slow down to 40 MPH or less when there's heavy traffic and I can't put the car on cruise control because the traffic is sometimes stop-and-go. Likewise, when sailing a boat in the vast ocean or sea, where there might not be another boat around for as far as you can see, their boat can travel at high speeds. But when sailing on the Thames River, where there are a lot of other boats around, traveling at high speeds is too dangerous and could result in a collision so their boat can't travel at high speeds on the Thames River. Also, I believe the Thames River has navigational locks. So they can't just speed past a navigational lock. They would have to wait for the lock to open and the water to rise or fall to the appropriate level before passing through a lock. what I will say is them even trying to sail to London makes no damn sense once they arrived off the british coast. Steve stole the book from Ludendorff and Dr. Poison and wanted to get the book to the Generals. The Generals were in London. Why wouldn't it makes sense for them to sail to London? Do you think Steve should've just mailed the book to the Generals instead? Or maybe hire a courier to deliver the book by horseback to the Generals? it doesn't detract from the film Then why do you and sostie continue to blow it up as a huge thing? You even posted a 15-minute video of an idiot ranting about it and claiming that Sack Snyder didn't know geography when that idiot didn't even realize that London is located inland from the sea on the Thames River. You and sostie kept trying to blow it up as a huge thing so I offered a logical and reasonable explanation for it. I ask again, if the Gods can create a "magical" mist or fog to hide Themyscira from outsiders and the Gods can create a "magic" lasso that compels anyone to tell the truth, then why do you and sostie keep saying that it's impossible for the Gods to create a boat that can travel long distances over a short time? Oh dear god almighty no you did not post anything logical you pleb, by the films own admission the tugboat increased their speed hence the caught a ride and made good time line, this indicates a maximum speed that the magic boat was traveling at, my point isn't that they couldn't have had a magic boat, my point is why then when every other magic item is explained that a magic boat is however not explained, this would justify Steve's insane idea to sail to England from their location because without knowing that the boat could travel some how at speeds over 50mph, which would be the speed needed to get roughly from Themiscara to that part of England without needing to carry a fair amount of food or water for 2 people to share before succumbing to dehydration and hunger.
Just having you say oh well it's special thanks to Zeus doesn't make it true and actually makes the storytelling worse, because if that's their intent it means they had a justification to it but didn't use it, which is an easy thing to do and also showcase the wonders of Diana's home, that she has this plain looking wooden boat that can travel faster and steadier than most "modern" vessels, takes 30 seconds if not less.
Also any boat traveling at those speeds will cause a significant wake to the water as it moves through it, as well as cause extensive wind that they would feel given they are in an open area traveling at high speeds on the sodding ocean, this isn't shown at all they appear sailing at a rather gentle pace with little effects caused by their supposed super speed.
Even using the they needed the tow to travel at a fast but safe speed makes somewhat sense I grant you but this would require several things, A: Steve knowing just how fast they are going, B: removing or tying up the sails or whatever the term is as to not travel by them and waiting for a friendly passing ship to offer to tow them up the Thames, C: thinking being towed along at such a slow speed is for the best when if they sail to land they can ride a horse or car into London at a faster pace given the tugboat went under 20mph but horse can run closer to 30mph increasing their speed well over 33%.
Now given the tugboat increased their speed based on actual dialogue from the movie, and not you know your feeble attempts to justify things, say they sail up to the british coast and follow it around this increases the distance they need to travel to get to London over the actual distance from London that they are, at the lowest point in Enlgand which is Lizards point is just under 300 miles by land, by sea however it's much further like over 100 miles further if not more, now given horses can run 25-30 mph on average, and their boat does not exceed 16mph, coupled with an additional 100+ miles, that distance by sea would take over a day, a day with no communication possible, no way of getting food or drink or taking any kind of shelter should the weather turn bad, by land however it's less than 12 hours, which means even if they don't head immediately for London and stop to rest, to eat, for Steve to contact his allies and such, Steve could take 6 hours to do all that and still arrive in London 6 hours earlier, given that it's a time sensitive and urgent mission why he made the choice to take the long way is ridiculous.
And people bring it up because A: you started by making this idiotic thread, and B: it's a general silly thing to point out because of how it is edited makes all this insane, but people like you who cannot accept there is any fault to the film refuse to acknowledge it, my issue isn't with the film but YOU on this because you are an utter muppet.
Given how you whine like a wounded bitch about why don't the avengers save people who cant afford it, based solely on a remark Tony makes in a single film as gospel that they charge people for their services, ignoring several instances of them taking action as not happening, ignoring them actually on screen saving people just because you have a bug up your arse over the MCU you being indignant over people calling out actual logic flaws in the movie is hypocritical.
Given a major plot point of this film is that it has a constricting time frame events must happen in the fact explanations as to excessively fast travel are left out for no reason is a fair thing to point out unlike you and your Avengers don't save normal people rubbish, instead you make insane comparisons that are in now way comparable to justify your fanboying insanity, in the end you sir are a fucking nutter..and god bless you cause this is entertaining, for me atleast.
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Post by dazz on Oct 29, 2017 7:36:52 GMT
The comparison is ridiculous and pointless the one thing it proves is the one thing that doesn't need proving, the ocean is big but boats are small, also one reason they were hard to find is because instead of going south they went west meaning anyone looking would be looking in the wrong place and the longer they went without being found the larger the further out of any search area they were
No, the comparison isn't ridiculous and pointless. The comparison is valid and proves how stupid sostie's claims were.
And I wasn't referring to any search. I'm referring to no one being able to spot the boat for months, which has nothing to do with them sailing in the wrong direction. The general rule of sea travel is when you see another ship or boat in distress or signaling that they're in distress, you try to help them if you can or radio the Coast Guard to help them if you can't.
So it doesn't have to be a ship or boat that's actively searching for them south of Hawaii. It can be a cruise ship or even a small fishing boat west of Hawaii that isn't actively searching for them. Unless the people on the boat are pirates or are carrying illegal cargo, if they see another ship or boat signaling that it's in distress, they would try to help or radio for help. In fact, that's how the boat was rescued.
"A Taiwanese fishing boat finally discovered them Tuesday, 900 miles southeast of Japan and thousands of miles from Tahiti. The crew contacted the U.S. Coast Guard at Guam."
So are you saying that there they weren't spotted for months because there were no other boats at all that sailed west of Hawaii for months? Or maybe it's because, as I've explained to sostie, it's just hard to spot a single small boat in the middle of the ocean, even during daytime?
No it's because it's harder to spot a small boat in a vast ocean 1000's of miles out to sea with nothing around for miles and miles, where as a boat sailing at best a couple hundred miles out to sea but along coasts of mainland Europe heading into the direction that the Germans know they are travelling to with german boats in the area searching for them is far bloody different.
We both agree that boats can go missing in the ocean that's not a point needing to be made, most boats don't sail willy nilly though, seeing how Hawaii is so isolated most boats likely sail their in as direct a manor as possible, considering how far they ravelled it's hardly a coincidence it got spotted once it sailed closer to land, closer to land = increased traffic and more chances of being spotted, compare that to Steve & Diana who sailed along the European coast basically, this means they crossed the lanes to dozens maybe even hundreds of ports along the way, the closer to land the more narrow the lanes of traffic are increasing the amount of boats exponentially, especially when you think at one point it bottle necks to a mere 14 miles, vastly different than the 2000 - 3000 miles of water or more Hawaii is surrounded by.
Like I said the point it pointless obviously boats go missing on the ocean and the comparison is ridiculous given the differences in the scopes.
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Post by sostie on Oct 30, 2017 17:30:08 GMT
Likewise, when sailing a boat in the vast ocean or sea, where there might not be another boat around for as far as you can see, their boat can travel at high speeds. But when sailing on the Thames River, where there are a lot of other boats around, traveling at high speeds is too dangerous and could result in a collision so their boat can't travel at high speeds on the Thames River. But it's a magical boat? It navigated 1000s of miles undetected, and unpiloted, overnight...yet can't find it's way up a river...it can find it's way on it's own to London, but not avoid other boats? There are no locks on the Thames on the way to London...any are further inland. Or send it by magic pigeon. Well from my point of view, because rather than admit a minor plot hole you made up magic boats....and your defence makes you look foolish...and it's fun.
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Post by brownstones on Oct 31, 2017 15:19:54 GMT
What?
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Post by damngumby on Oct 31, 2017 18:20:41 GMT
It’s not the crime, it’s the cover up (magic boat!). No one is really mocking the movie. They’re mocking you.
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Post by raiderjedi on Oct 31, 2017 19:14:50 GMT
The ladies' story is looking more and more like a hoax. Kind of shoots a few more holes in your "theory".
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Post by DSDSquared on Nov 1, 2017 12:38:14 GMT
Oh and magic boat thing is dumb given even if it could move at insane speeds
The Gods created a "magical" mist or fog around the entire island of Themyscira to hide it for outsiders. The Gods also gave the Amazons a "magic" lasso that compels anyone to tell the truth. Yet you MCU fans are complaining about the Gods possibly giving the Amazons a boat that can travel long distances over a short time?
If the Gods can create a "magical" mist or fog that hides the entire island of Themyscira and a "magic" lasso that compels anyone to tell the truth, why do you MCU fans think it's impossible for the Gods to create a boat that can travel long distances in a short time?
This must be nice. Anything stupid that happens in the DCEU can just be blamed on magic, even when it is never clarified in the film. Got it. Was it magic that made Jesse a terrible Lex Luther?
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Post by syafiqjabar on Nov 1, 2017 12:59:33 GMT
Good God people can be pedantic about movies. I'm glad you made this honeypot thread to attract spergs I can block. They're one of the reasons discussing anything online is an exercise in futility.
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