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Post by Lord Death Man on Oct 31, 2017 4:40:33 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2017 6:04:32 GMT
The MCU should enjoy it whilst it lasts. The DCEU may be sick, but Thor is no Batman. Batman is just one film away from restoring his crown, no matter when it happens. MCU may win this battle, but it won’t win the war.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Oct 31, 2017 6:28:35 GMT
The MCU should enjoy it whilst it lasts. The DCEU may be sick, but Thor is no Batman. Batman is just one film away from restoring his crown, no matter when it happens. MCU may win this battle, but it won’t win the war. I can't argue with you there, P but, fuck if it hasn't been one hell of a run. Hee hee hee... |
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 31, 2017 10:47:21 GMT
The MCU should enjoy it whilst it lasts. The DCEU may be sick, but Thor is no Batman. Batman is just one film away from restoring his crown, no matter when it happens. MCU may win this battle, but it won’t win the war. Eh, Batman's only advantage is that he's just had movies made longer and he's easy to write. Plus, to make up for him being somewhat boring, he was given colorful enemies. That way the stories can be more about his villains than him. |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Oct 31, 2017 14:11:33 GMT
The MCU should enjoy it whilst it lasts. The DCEU may be sick, but Thor is no Batman. Batman is just one film away from restoring his crown, no matter when it happens. MCU may win this battle, but it won’t win the war. Eh, Batman's only advantage is that he's just had movies made longer and he's easy to write. Plus, to make up for him being somewhat boring, he was given colorful enemies. That way the stories can be more about his villains than him. ...a lot longer and its a huge advantage. I would say he's harder to write since his mythology is so well worn on the big screen. I don't think he's boring so much as rigid. If you break away from his framework you encounter problems almost instantly - like in BvS. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 31, 2017 14:19:17 GMT
Eh, Batman's only advantage is that he's just had movies made longer and he's easy to write. Plus, to make up for him being somewhat boring, he was given colorful enemies. That way the stories can be more about his villains than him. ...a lot longer and its a huge advantage. I would say he's harder to write since his mythology is so well worn on the big screen. I don't think he's boring so much as rigid. If you break away from his framework you encounter problems almost instantly - like in BvS. Well...there's a reason his villains are so well remembered. It's because they just stand out SO much compared to him. |
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Oct 31, 2017 14:20:37 GMT
A movie that the whole family can enjoy? What a novel idea.
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Post by scabab on Oct 31, 2017 14:36:52 GMT
Batman is still probably the biggest box office draw as far as individual superheroes go.
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Post by harpospoke on Oct 31, 2017 15:34:21 GMT
Batman is still probably the biggest box office draw as far as individual superheroes go. That would be Iron Man at the moment. TDKR didn't gross as much as IM3. Batman couldn't even gross more than Iron Man in a teamup movie with Superman and Wonder Woman. |
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Post by harpospoke on Oct 31, 2017 15:36:10 GMT
The MCU should enjoy it whilst it lasts. The DCEU may be sick, but Thor is no Batman. Batman is just one film away from restoring his crown, no matter when it happens. MCU may win this battle, but it won’t win the war. There isn't any way to "win the war". Both companies rise and fall on the popularity of the genre. If SH movies become less popular, both companies go down with it. Superman, Spider-man, and Iron Man are one movie away from being on top too. |
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Post by Skaathar on Oct 31, 2017 16:54:12 GMT
The MCU should enjoy it whilst it lasts. The DCEU may be sick, but Thor is no Batman. Batman is just one film away from restoring his crown, no matter when it happens. MCU may win this battle, but it won’t win the war. A decade ago I would have said the same thing about Ironman. But now Batman can't match Ironman in terms of movie draw power. Thor started off with a slow pace but seems to be catching steam. Batman might be able to catch him but as of now we have nothing to base that on. |
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Post by scabab on Oct 31, 2017 17:34:35 GMT
Batman is still probably the biggest box office draw as far as individual superheroes go. That would be Iron Man at the moment. TDKR didn't gross as much as IM3. Batman couldn't even gross more than Iron Man in a teamup movie with Superman and Wonder Woman. Iron Man 3 had a huge benefit with the addition of 3D which TDKR didn't have. TDKR was also affected by the shooting that went on. There were reports at the time that people stopped going to the theatre after that for a short while. Batman vs Superman didn't gross as much as it should simply because it was a poor movie which largely affected it's gross. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 31, 2017 17:39:22 GMT
^ I'm not a big Batfan but that seems like a myopic misconception.
RDJ-IronMan may currently beat Batfleck, but as a character Batman wipes the floor with IM.
Batman is more than the sum of his parts, he is an all time top 10 iconic character and cultural icon together with Joker. He is successful comics books, video games (galore) cartoons and T shirts. He oscillates between Lego Batman and goofy 60s Batmen to Nolan, DCEU and Miller Batman. A cultural icon since decades.
IM is just MCU RDJ-IM and maybe some old 3rd row materials. Let's put that to the test when RDJ quits playing IM, or if IM goes the way of the Jack Sparrow, shall we?
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 31, 2017 18:01:39 GMT
RDJ-IronMan may currently beat Batfleck, but as a character Batman Is more archetype than character. Him being around so long and heavily promoted and marketed is mainly because for over 20 years he had little competition so by the time Marvel showed up he already had enough cash and exposure behind him to keep him going. That and the relative simplicity of his character means it's easier to do shows and movies about him to most other superhero characters. The other comic characters for both Marvel and DC are finally getting their dues, now that there's the money/improvements in FX tech and the desire to make stories about them. Meaning people can finally enjoy some variety. |
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Post by Skaathar on Oct 31, 2017 18:04:44 GMT
^ I'm not a big Batfan but that seems like a myopic misconception.
RDJ-IronMan may currently beat Batfleck, but as a character Batman wipes the floor with IM.
Batman is more than the sum of his parts, he is an all time top 10 iconic character and cultural icon together with Joker. He is successful comics books, video games (galore) cartoons and T shirts. He oscillates between Lego Batman and goofy 60s Batmen to Nolan, DCEU and Miller Batman. A cultural icon since decades.
IM is just MCU RDJ-IM and maybe some old 3rd row materials. Let's put that to the test when RDJ quits playing IM, or if IM goes the way of the Jack Sparrow, shall we?
Well, since this is the movie boards and the OP was about Ragnarok and JL in particular, I think it's obvious that we are indeed (should be anyway) discussing RDJ-Ironman and Batfleck. We are not discussing the entire Ironman and Batman characters. If we want to talk about their entire characters we can do that in a different thread. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 31, 2017 18:15:34 GMT
^ I'm not a big Batfan but that seems like a myopic misconception.
RDJ-IronMan may currently beat Batfleck, but as a character Batman wipes the floor with IM.
Batman is more than the sum of his parts, he is an all time top 10 iconic character and cultural icon together with Joker. He is successful comics books, video games (galore) cartoons and T shirts. He oscillates between Lego Batman and goofy 60s Batmen to Nolan, DCEU and Miller Batman. A cultural icon since decades.
IM is just MCU RDJ-IM and maybe some old 3rd row materials. Let's put that to the test when RDJ quits playing IM, or if IM goes the way of the Jack Sparrow, shall we?
Well, since this is the movie boards and the OP was about Ragnarok and JL in particular, I think it's obvious that we are indeed (should be anyway) discussing RDJ-Ironman and Batfleck. We are not discussing the entire Ironman and Batman characters. If we want to talk about their entire characters we can do that in a different thread. fair enough batfleck is one movie against an mcu-rdj armada, so no big debate there |
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Post by Skaathar on Oct 31, 2017 18:49:38 GMT
Well, since this is the movie boards and the OP was about Ragnarok and JL in particular, I think it's obvious that we are indeed (should be anyway) discussing RDJ-Ironman and Batfleck. We are not discussing the entire Ironman and Batman characters. If we want to talk about their entire characters we can do that in a different thread. fair enough batfleck is one movie against an mcu-rdj armada, so no big debate there Touche. |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 1, 2017 18:25:08 GMT
The MCU should enjoy it whilst it lasts. The DCEU may be sick, but Thor is no Batman. Batman is just one film away from restoring his crown, no matter when it happens. MCU may win this battle, but it won’t win the war. Eh, Batman's only advantage is that he's just had movies made longer and he's easy to write. Plus, to make up for him being somewhat boring, he was given colorful enemies. That way the stories can be more about his villains than him. Whoaaaaaaaaa horsies! Whoa! Ah say whoa now! Batman is boring?! I can say with complete arrogant comfort that the ENTIRE PLANET disagrees with you on this one.
He is BY FAR the single most popular super hero of them all. Superman and Spiderman jockey from time to time for 2nd place, but EVERY list I've ever seen has ranked bats as first.
Now hear me clearly... I didn't say best. I didn't say perfect. I didn't say he shits gold that smells like roses. But one cannot argue that he is the most popular. I wonder, how do you think that something that's boring becomes the WORLDS most popular anything? Is it that WE're all crazy? Or...
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 1, 2017 18:28:15 GMT
Whoaaaaaaaaa horsies! Whoa! Ah say whoa now! [/p] Batman is boring?! [/quote][/p] [/quote] On his own, yes. It's why his movies needed his villains to be more about them than about him since....forever. He's very easy to write compared to them, be adheres to very old traditions and archetypes compared to other superheroes and has a colorful rogues gallery that makes up for his archetypal nature. For a long time, this simple nature meant it was easy to do media adaptations of him, so by the time it was possible to start doing adaptations of others he already had a foothold thanks to his earlier exposure. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Nov 1, 2017 19:50:59 GMT
The MCU should enjoy it whilst it lasts. The DCEU may be sick, but Thor is no Batman. Batman is just one film away from restoring his crown, no matter when it happens. MCU may win this battle, but it won’t win the war.Glad I don't view movies this way and just enjoy them for what they are. |
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