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Post by Eλευθερί on Jan 10, 2018 23:17:24 GMT
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Post by deembastille on Jan 10, 2018 23:25:49 GMT
Still, the majority are not white, yet white men keep getting blamed as the problem. WTF? i don't think white men keep on getting BLAMED per se but they are getting 'in trouble'. i guess, accusers don't want to further rock the boat by getting al Sharpton on their backs. doesn't matter if something is racist or not, it's racist to him. and a lot of times the person who was violated feels unsure about telling because it isn't a racial matter but a sexual matter. and al Sharpton makes everything a racial matter. it's just not worth the lawsuits. |
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Post by Eλευθερί on Jan 10, 2018 23:40:32 GMT
i don't think white men keep on getting BLAMED per se but they are getting 'in trouble'. i guess, accusers don't want to further rock the boat by getting al Sharpton on their backs. doesn't matter if something is racist or not, it's racist to him. and a lot of times the person who was violated feels unsure about telling because it isn't a racial matter but a sexual matter. and al Sharpton makes everything a racial matter. it's just not worth the lawsuits. My WTF? was in response to the claim that "the majority are not white." Assuming this is referring to the US population, how is it that the majority are not white? Especially if we are talking about the majority of people who are bosses (since a lot of the workplace sexual harassment involves bosses, or boss-equivalents, putting subordinates in sexually uncomfortable situations, or looking the other way when brought allegations of such behavior). |
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Post by shannondegroot on Jan 10, 2018 23:49:11 GMT
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Post by deembastille on Jan 10, 2018 23:49:50 GMT
i don't think white men keep on getting BLAMED per se but they are getting 'in trouble'. i guess, accusers don't want to further rock the boat by getting al Sharpton on their backs. doesn't matter if something is racist or not, it's racist to him. and a lot of times the person who was violated feels unsure about telling because it isn't a racial matter but a sexual matter. and al Sharpton makes everything a racial matter. it's just not worth the lawsuits. My WTF? was in response to the claim that "the majority are not white." Assuming this is referring to the US population, how is it that the majority are not white? Especially if we are talking about the majority of people who are bosses (since a lot of the workplace sexual harassment involves bosses, or boss-equivalents, putting subordinates in sexually uncomfortable situations, or looking the other way when brought allegations of such behavior). yeah... what makes you think bosses are the majority of this? still. the majority who are guilty whether they are accused or not, are not white. i have known a lot of non-white people who take their non-whiteness to a higher level and hold themselves to a higher standard. they get what they want because they 'are a minority'. and if you tell them they can't get what they want, then you're a racist. ps: not white does not mean black. it means, other than white. that means all the other races. |
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Jan 11, 2018 0:17:52 GMT
The majority of the sexual abusers are Jewish. At least 70%. For some odd reason this statistical oddity is overlooked. But Rachel Weicz said back in 2001 that she felt she should hide her Jewish background because the Jews who run Hollywood see acting as a profession for whores. Thus the treatment they give them. The media shapes the story away from that, instead saying it is about men. It would only be about men if this sort of thing(masturbating in plants, hiring Mossad agents as spies) was happening at Boeing, Coca-Cola, O'Brien's Hardware... |
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Post by Eλευθερί on Jan 11, 2018 2:18:05 GMT
My WTF? was in response to the claim that "the majority are not white." Assuming this is referring to the US population, how is it that the majority are not white? Especially if we are talking about the majority of people who are bosses (since a lot of the workplace sexual harassment involves bosses, or boss-equivalents, putting subordinates in sexually uncomfortable situations, or looking the other way when brought allegations of such behavior). yeah... what makes you think bosses are the majority of this? This thread and the media reports I have been reading. We need to be clear about what "this" is for the discussion to work. Most of the kinds of sexual harassment complaints that have gotten a lot of media attention in the last few months have involved situations in which workers were mistreated by producers, directors, star actors, star journalists. People who had power over the victims in the workplace. Sure, there are also lots of cases of sexual harassment between coworkers of equal status, but those have not been where the focus has been lately in the film and television industries and in journalism. Besides which, even in the cases of sexual harassment between coworkers of equal status, most of the cases are still likely to involve whites by virtue of the simple fact that there are more whites in the workforce. We have been discussing Hollywood and the news media/entertainment industry, primarily in the US. What makes you think the majority who are guilty are not white? (Let me state for the record that I do not believe the introduction of race, religion, or ethnicity into this discussion is helpful. Sexual misbehavior involves/affects all groups. I am responding to what others have stated here.) |
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Post by loofapotato on Jan 11, 2018 4:16:38 GMT
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Post by Nora on Jan 12, 2018 20:33:10 GMT
defending oneself ahead of the accusation really shows you whats going on. normally, this is a strategy that a few legal professionals would recommend. and the fact his lawyers oked it speaks volume. reading about what a "horrible pervert" Franco is for hitting on a 17year old who was hanging out outside of the theatre where he acted and then responded to his DMs (and made it public) makes me feel like we officially all enterer crazy world. things completely taken out of context, general expectations, habits etc. If I like someone am I morally obligated to date them for a month first before I can make it clear I want to have sex with them? Or if I want to have sex with them am do I need to enter into a serious relationship with them? Where is my freedom to just sleep with people I find attractive (given they share the interest) and making it known to them that that is what I want? What else is there to say? Maybe this: I am SO glad I am not a guy in the day and age. (reverse) Handmaids Tale never looked more real. |
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Post by deembastille on Jan 12, 2018 22:35:11 GMT
i picked up a metro paper this afternoon coming home from work and i began reading n article that said what each woman was complaining about Franco...
one said she is complaining because when she was filming a sex orgy scene with him he removed the vajajay guards from her and a couple of other women and rubbed them down there and then started to 'act' like he was having sex with them...
i'm like... AND YOU JUST STOOD THERE? YOU DIDN'T SWAT HIM AWAY? REALLY? WERE THERE CAMERAS AND OTHER PEOPLE STILL IN THE ROOM? WHY DID YOU STAY IF THERE WEREN'T?
i get it if you are really young but if you signed a contract and know the movie has a nudie sex orgy scene, you need to be really on your guard.
and la times says how one actress noticed 'you don't say no to this guy'.... well, you should say no even if it doesn't work. get it on record. don't be around them alone if at all. sorry, this is NOT SOLELY HIS FAULT!
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Post by loofapotato on Jan 15, 2018 8:37:27 GMT
Aziz Ansari, new on the list
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Post by telegonus on Jan 15, 2018 9:53:08 GMT
The majority of the sexual abusers are Jewish. At least 70%. For some odd reason this statistical oddity is overlooked. But Rachel Weicz said back in 2001 that she felt she should hide her Jewish background because the Jews who run Hollywood see acting as a profession for whores. Thus the treatment they give them. The media shapes the story away from that, instead saying it is about men. It would only be about men if this sort of thing(masturbating in plants, hiring Mossad agents as spies) was happening at Boeing, Coca-Cola, O'Brien's Hardware... Rachel Weisz, hide her background,--in Hollywood?  |
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Jan 15, 2018 15:54:24 GMT
Rachel Weisz, hide her background,--in Hollywood? RACHEL: Hollywood’s run by Jews. I was advised by an American agent when I was about 19 to change my surname. And I said “Why? Jews run Hollywood.” He said “Exactly.” He had a theory that all the executives think acting’s a job for shiksas. |
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Post by telegonus on Jan 15, 2018 22:37:29 GMT
Rachel Weisz, hide her background,--in Hollywood? RACHEL: Hollywood’s run by Jews. I was advised by an American agent when I was about 19 to change my surname. And I said “Why? Jews run Hollywood.” He said “Exactly.” He had a theory that all the executives think acting’s a job for shiksas. I know what her agent meant but there's the wannabe factor of Hollywood being a place for people who want to "pass" rather than be themselves, which is probably true for many artists and those who seek to make careers out of their imaginations/imaginings rather than who they are or how how they come across in the real world. It's all about posing, putting on a show, making a bang-up job of it. But when does putting on an act lead to lying, posturing or denial end and transcendence, transformation though art, begin? Or maybe that's no the most elegant way to put it. There are dozens of aphorisms and such about how children at play are like little artists in the making, and I agree. This raises the issue of whether artists are like big kids at play. I believe there's truth on that as well. I'm getting rather OT here, however, so maybe it's time to call it quits...  |
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Post by Eλευθερί on Jan 16, 2018 1:43:05 GMT
If I like someone am I morally obligated to date them for a month first before I can make it clear I want to have sex with them? No. But I'll bet it helps in screening out the ones who are total nutjobs.  |
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Post by Nora on Jan 16, 2018 3:38:07 GMT
Aziz Ansari, new on the list yeah thats one crazy story. I cant believe the audacity of the girl who A) flirted with him at a party B) flirted with him over the phone for at least a week C) went on a date with him, D) took pictures of their food and otherwise acted very comfortably around him E) went to his place in the evening F) did not stop him when he made a first movie originally G) from her detailed story it doesn't seem like she really made it clear she is not into physical stuff. I mean dont let the guy go down on you and don't go down on him unless you are into it OR he FORCES/THREATENS you. H) went down on him repeatedly just because he pointed to his dick? COME ON. She was 23 not 15. A woman at 23 should be able to say a firm "no thank you and if you suggest that again I am ending this evening" to a dick being presented to her as dessert after dinner, if she does not feel like sucking it. All these stories are actually making women look so weak and incompetent and unable to act the way they truly feel they want to. Unable to be firm and LEAVE when they get "this" (as she says) uncomfortable, now two blow jobs later. Whats next, really. Signing a contract before trying to sleep with someone? 10 obligatory dates? Ugh. Also (and this is just a personal preference of course) his "claw move" is so hot. one of my favourite things. oh well. Each to their own i guess. |
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Post by Nora on Jan 16, 2018 3:41:48 GMT
If I like someone am I morally obligated to date them for a month first before I can make it clear I want to have sex with them? No. But I'll bet it helps in screening out the ones who are total nutjobs. maybe i have been lucky, but i have only been on one date with someone who I think would qualify as a "total nutjob" so my experience in that area is minimal (unlike in the area of being sexually harassed, where it is multiple)… I am just really happy I am not a guy. Not that someone couldnt accuse me as a woman, but at least the social construct is not telling me I should be the "hunter". So I am much less exposed to my behaviour being called "predatory" etc. also the double standards are endless… |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Jan 17, 2018 1:12:45 GMT
So Matt Damon...
Damon came under fire for suggesting that claims of sexual harassment should be viewed differently from allegations of sexual assault in an interview with ABC News’ “Popcorn with Peter Travers.
“There’s a difference between, you know, patting someone on the butt and rape or child molestation, right?” Damon said in the interview. “Both of those behaviors need to be confronted and eradicated, without question, but they shouldn’t be conflated, right?”
The comments drew criticism from his former girlfriend and Good Will Hunting costar Minnie Driver, as well as Alyssa Milano, who popularized the #MeToo hashtag.
Thoughts?
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Post by Eλευθερί on Jan 17, 2018 12:39:40 GMT
So Matt Damon...
Damon came under fire for suggesting that claims of sexual harassment should be viewed differently from allegations of sexual assault in an interview with ABC News’ “Popcorn with Peter Travers.
“There’s a difference between, you know, patting someone on the butt and rape or child molestation, right?” Damon said in the interview. “Both of those behaviors need to be confronted and eradicated, without question, but they shouldn’t be conflated, right?”
The comments drew criticism from his former girlfriend and Good Will Hunting costar Minnie Driver, as well as Alyssa Milano, who popularized the #MeToo hashtag.
Thoughts?
I haven't read what Minnie Driver or Alyssa Milano specifically said in response, but I agree with Damon on the specific point quoted above. |
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Post by DanaShelbyChancey on Jan 17, 2018 14:40:47 GMT
I do agree with Matt Damon. There is a difference in how it should be treated. I would not want a guy to go to prison over patting someone's butt, and an out and out rapist getting the same treatment.
Also a difference in incidents in the workplace, versus socially. Rapists, it doesn't matter, they get the full punishment. Simple ass patting is more serious in the workplace with a power discrepancy, socially it is to be handled differently.
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