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Post by salomonj on Jan 17, 2018 16:28:09 GMT
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Jan 17, 2018 18:55:07 GMT
So Matt Damon...
Damon came under fire for suggesting that claims of sexual harassment should be viewed differently from allegations of sexual assault in an interview with ABC News’ “Popcorn with Peter Travers.
“There’s a difference between, you know, patting someone on the butt and rape or child molestation, right?” Damon said in the interview. “Both of those behaviors need to be confronted and eradicated, without question, but they shouldn’t be conflated, right?”
The comments drew criticism from his former girlfriend and Good Will Hunting costar Minnie Driver, as well as Alyssa Milano, who popularized the #MeToo hashtag.
Thoughts?
I haven't read what Minnie Driver or Alyssa Milano specifically said in response, but I agree with Damon on the specific point quoted above. Minnie Driver, From: www.theguardian.com/film/2017/dec/16/minnie-driver-matt-damon-men-cannot-understand-abuse
her first response to Damon, Driver wrote on Twitter: “Good God, seriously?"
“Gosh it’s so interesting (profoundly unsurprising) how men with all these opinions about women’s differentiation between sexual misconduct, assault and rape reveal themselves to be utterly tone deaf and as a result, systemically part of the problem.”
Driver’s response to Damon was shared widely on social media, alongside that of the actor Alyssa Milano, who said: “There are different stages of cancer. Some more treatable than others. But it’s still cancer.”
On Saturday, Driver told the Guardian: “I felt I desperately needed to say something. I’ve realised that most men, good men, the men that I love, there is a cut-off in their ability to understand. They simply cannot understand what abuse is like on a daily level.
“I honestly think that until we get on the same page, you can’t tell a woman about their abuse. A man cannot do that. No one can. It is so individual and so personal, it’s galling when a powerful man steps up and starts dictating the terms, whether he intends it or not.”
(Its interesting that they dated around the time of Good Wil Hunting if I'm not mistaken)
and Alyssa Milano, from: www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2017/12/16/alyssa-milano-minnie-driver-shut-down-matt-damons-sexual-harassment-comments/957987001/
I have been a victim of each component of the sexual assault spectrum of which you speak. They all hurt. And they are all connected to a patriarchy intertwined with normalized, accepted--even welcomed-- misogyny. We are not outraged because someone grabbed our asses in a picture. We are outraged because we were made to feel this was normal. We are outraged because we have been gaslighted. We are outraged because we were silenced for so long.
Thoughts?
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Post by deembastille on Jan 17, 2018 22:13:57 GMT
So Matt Damon...
Damon came under fire for suggesting that claims of sexual harassment should be viewed differently from allegations of sexual assault in an interview with ABC News’ “Popcorn with Peter Travers.
“There’s a difference between, you know, patting someone on the butt and rape or child molestation, right?” Damon said in the interview. “Both of those behaviors need to be confronted and eradicated, without question, but they shouldn’t be conflated, right?”
The comments drew criticism from his former girlfriend and Good Will Hunting costar Minnie Driver, as well as Alyssa Milano, who popularized the #MeToo hashtag.
Thoughts?
I haven't read what Minnie Driver or Alyssa Milano specifically said in response, but I agree with Damon on the specific point quoted above. I don't know about Minnie or Alyssa either but Matt sounds like an absolute moron with the 'right?''s. like he's looking for validation. |
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Post by DanaShelbyChancey on Jan 18, 2018 14:51:53 GMT
I hope Alyssa Milano would see some distinction in different types of cancer, as well as different types of harassment. A guy who takes a woman's upper arm, and sneaks a feel of some side boob, should be called out for it, of course. But saying it is the same thing as full-on rape, someone would have to be hideously insensitive to say it is comparable. Both are unacceptable.
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Post by lordquesterjones on Jan 18, 2018 15:05:35 GMT
Woody Allan thumbed my anus when I was 4!
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Post by PreachCaleb on Jan 18, 2018 17:22:15 GMT
So Matt Damon...
Damon came under fire for suggesting that claims of sexual harassment should be viewed differently from allegations of sexual assault in an interview with ABC News’ “Popcorn with Peter Travers.
“There’s a difference between, you know, patting someone on the butt and rape or child molestation, right?” Damon said in the interview. “Both of those behaviors need to be confronted and eradicated, without question, but they shouldn’t be conflated, right?”
The comments drew criticism from his former girlfriend and Good Will Hunting costar Minnie Driver, as well as Alyssa Milano, who popularized the #MeToo hashtag.
Thoughts?
I think Damon's focusing on the wrong thing. He's trying to rationalize about the perpetrators' feelings rather than the victims'. |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Jan 18, 2018 18:13:35 GMT
So Matt Damon...
Damon came under fire for suggesting that claims of sexual harassment should be viewed differently from allegations of sexual assault in an interview with ABC News’ “Popcorn with Peter Travers.
“There’s a difference between, you know, patting someone on the butt and rape or child molestation, right?” Damon said in the interview. “Both of those behaviors need to be confronted and eradicated, without question, but they shouldn’t be conflated, right?”
The comments drew criticism from his former girlfriend and Good Will Hunting costar Minnie Driver, as well as Alyssa Milano, who popularized the #MeToo hashtag.
Thoughts?
I think Damon's focusing on the wrong thing. He's trying to rationalize about the perpetrators' feelings rather than the victims'. Agreed. And unfortunately when men chime in on the subject, for the most part, that's what we do. I think there's a little part of all us men who believe that when women speak out like this they kinda mean "us". |
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Post by PreachCaleb on Jan 18, 2018 19:08:24 GMT
Yeah, reminds me of that #noteveryguy hashtag from a few years back. Men are far too quick to jump on the defensive.
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Post by Eλευθερί on Jan 18, 2018 22:57:46 GMT
So Matt Damon...
Damon came under fire for suggesting that claims of sexual harassment should be viewed differently from allegations of sexual assault in an interview with ABC News’ “Popcorn with Peter Travers.
“There’s a difference between, you know, patting someone on the butt and rape or child molestation, right?” Damon said in the interview. “Both of those behaviors need to be confronted and eradicated, without question, but they shouldn’t be conflated, right?”
The comments drew criticism from his former girlfriend and Good Will Hunting costar Minnie Driver, as well as Alyssa Milano, who popularized the #MeToo hashtag.
Thoughts?
I think Damon's focusing on the wrong thing. He's trying to rationalize about the perpetrators' feelings rather than the victims'. This discussion was taking place within the context of a pro-feminist, liberal US Senator having just been forced to resign over allegations of having grabbed one-too-many women's butts, with (as far as I am aware) no allegations against him of sexual assault (as in rape) or of threatening a female employee's job in exchange for sex. That ex-senator had had 4 years remaining in his term in office. But now his seat will potentially be up for grabs by a conservative, anti-feminist candidate in an election being called early to replace him this November. The take-no-prisoners attitude that fails to discriminate among different degrees of sexual misbehavior could have consequences that backfire. |
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Post by PreachCaleb on Jan 18, 2018 23:02:43 GMT
And that's true. But it shows that no one is free from recriminations. So what if it wasn't "rape"? Grabbing anyone without their permission is wrong, and he must face consequences. He doesn't get a pass for being a liberal.
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Post by Jokers_Wilde on Jan 27, 2018 15:11:31 GMT
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Post by Eλευθερί on Jan 28, 2018 1:36:42 GMT
I wonder what Jian Ghomeshi is up to these days. |
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Post by Eλευθερί on Jan 28, 2018 1:49:14 GMT
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Post by deembastille on Jan 28, 2018 1:59:48 GMT
erm... this is hard to believe...
in order for him to become physically aggressive...this should have happened...
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Post by jervistetch on Jan 28, 2018 2:19:17 GMT
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Post by poelzig on Jan 28, 2018 2:31:11 GMT
Liberal white Hollywood folks sure do love to rape women and kids. I wonder if that falls into the "do this or you're worse than Satan" category? I hope not because I don't want to rape anyone but the Hollywood liberals DO know best, right? I mean that's what they've been saying for decades and what most liberals believe.
Golly gee it's all so confusing. Maybe we should build a wall around Hollywood.
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Post by jervistetch on Jan 28, 2018 3:09:41 GMT
Scott Baio is actually an ultra-conservative Trump supporter. I think he gave a speech in Trump's support at the Republican National Convention. The accused are from all over the political spectrum.
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Post by deembastille on Jan 28, 2018 3:20:22 GMT
Scott Baio is actually an ultra-conservative Trump supporter. I think he gave a speech in Trump's support at the Republican National Convention. The accused are from all over the political spectrum. the duggers are also republican and obviously ultra conservative... and we all know how that panned out. |
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Post by blockbusted on Jan 28, 2018 3:35:00 GMT
Scott Baio is actually an ultra-conservative Trump supporter. I think he gave a speech in Trump's support at the Republican National Convention. The accused are from all over the political spectrum. Baio is also rumored to be a Sandy Hook truther. Just saying... P.S. Wasn’t there a similar allegation against him few months ago? |
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Post by poelzig on Jan 28, 2018 4:08:17 GMT
Scott Baio is actually an ultra-conservative Trump supporter. I think he gave a speech in Trump's support at the Republican National Convention. The accused are from all over the political spectrum. So on the conservative side there's scott baio who was last relevant in the 80's or was it the 70's? On the liberal side there's the other 2715 people being accused. Pretending the sick rapeo freaks have not been OVERWHELMINGLY from the left is being disingenuous as hell and almost as hypocritical as the lib predators themselves. I'm in no way a trump supporter but it's mind boggling to me how the brain dead masses that screamed for his blood for stupid comments eagerly overlook that 99.9% of the alleged rapists are democrats. I say we drag them all out into the streets and start the purge. In the immortal words of Chuck D we gotta fight the power as well as burn Hollywood burn. Yeah boyeeeee |
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