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Post by poelzig on Nov 13, 2017 23:07:33 GMT
No, it seems he arranged to be in private places with women and then disrobed and masturbated without consent. He admitted it. Its a sad, done deal. whereas they were all adults and I don't know what woman would be okay with it during it but then bitches about it now, the point of the matter is HE'S A WEIRDASSED PERVERT! I don't understand why people make uninformed comments. Why bother prattling on if you can't even be bothered to punch a few words into any search and take a few minutes to read the vast amount of coverage being given these topics at the moment? Spacey has been known to be a sick predator that likes to prey on boys for decades. Predator CK has been publicly called out about forcing women to watch him jerk off for well over a decade. Most of the women WERE NOT OKAY with him yanking his little winky and said as much at the time. CK and his powerful liberal pals called the women liars and at least one of the women quit stand up because of pressure from celebs that claim to be pro female. The hypocrisy is disgusting. Why the hell do people take the person being accused of the crime's word for what happened? To me reading what is said by ALL parties involved and then making an informed decision about what most likely happened makes by far the most sense. CK's self serving "confession" consisted of him saying he jerked off but the women wanted him to but he feels really really really badly that his compulsion made him do it. What a crock of shit. Read what he wrote. It's still mainly all about what a great guy he is for admitting it. Despite the fact he didn't really admit he did anything wrong. Of course people have called me a "twit" because I think adults having sex with kids is deplorable so feel free to be pro predator if you like.
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Post by Jayman on Nov 13, 2017 23:33:25 GMT
I think the point is that women were put in a position that their career would be compromised or that they'd face all kinds of threats from powerful people had they come out. Ofcourse from a moral standpoint we wish they did come out sooner but still it's a difficult spot to be in. As far as the innocent till proven guilty argument, we're not talking about criminal trials and how our legal system works. In most of these cases it's the court of public opinion. When one person comes out who's not that trustworthy and seems to have an agenda or a lot to gain by it, then it's fair to question the legitimacy of the claim. But when multiple people start to come out telling the same story, I"m sorry but I'm not going to give the celebrity the benefit of the doubt. There's a lot of people that do bad things but can't be prosecuted for, but that doesn't mean they're these innocent flowers that deserve the benefit of the doubt. I don't need physical evidence in a court of law to call a slimeball a slimeball
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Post by them1ghtyhumph on Nov 14, 2017 0:06:47 GMT
Why is Louis C.K being heaped into the same category as those others, if he's not a rapist/pedo/sexual abuser? Didn't he just ask some women for consent if he could fap to them? That's weird, but not as bad as what the others did. I don't think that's fair. The dude seems to just have a weird fetish. Also, it now makes this even funnier : Great video
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Post by Eλευθερί on Nov 14, 2017 0:16:45 GMT
whereas they were all adults and I don't know what woman would be okay with it during it but then bitches about it now, the point of the matter is HE'S A WEIRDASSED PERVERT! I don't understand why people make uninformed comments. Why bother prattling on if you can't even be bothered to punch a few words into any search and take a few minutes to read the vast amount of coverage being given these topics at the moment? Spacey has been known to be a sick predator that likes to prey on boys for decades. Predator CK has been publicly called out about forcing women to watch him jerk off for well over a decade. Most of the women WERE NOT OKAY with him yanking his little winky and said as much at the time. CK and his powerful liberal pals called the women liars and at least one of the women quit stand up because of pressure from celebs that claim to be pro female. The hypocrisy is disgusting. Why the hell do people take the person being accused of the crime's word for what happened? To me reading what is said by ALL parties involved and then making an informed decision about what most likely happened makes by far the most sense. CK's self serving "confession" consisted of him saying he jerked off but the women wanted him to but he feels really really really badly that his compulsion made him do it. What a crock of shit. Read what he wrote. It's still mainly all about what a great guy he is for admitting it. Despite the fact he didn't really admit he did anything wrong. Of course people have called me a "twit" because I think adults having sex with kids is deplorable so feel free to be pro predator if you like. When you slipped "his powerful liberal friends" in there, you lost all credibility for any point you were trying to make. Just sayin
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Post by Eλευθερί on Nov 14, 2017 0:19:31 GMT
I'm kind of wondering if when two or three, or five, years from now someone makes an accusation of rape or near-rape, or of serious sexual harassment, against a celebrity, whether the critics will be whining, "If this really happened as you claim, why didn't you say anything about it back in 2017 when everybody else was speaking up?"
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Post by poelzig on Nov 14, 2017 5:54:38 GMT
I don't understand why people make uninformed comments. Why bother prattling on if you can't even be bothered to punch a few words into any search and take a few minutes to read the vast amount of coverage being given these topics at the moment? Spacey has been known to be a sick predator that likes to prey on boys for decades. Predator CK has been publicly called out about forcing women to watch him jerk off for well over a decade. Most of the women WERE NOT OKAY with him yanking his little winky and said as much at the time. CK and his powerful liberal pals called the women liars and at least one of the women quit stand up because of pressure from celebs that claim to be pro female. The hypocrisy is disgusting. Why the hell do people take the person being accused of the crime's word for what happened? To me reading what is said by ALL parties involved and then making an informed decision about what most likely happened makes by far the most sense. CK's self serving "confession" consisted of him saying he jerked off but the women wanted him to but he feels really really really badly that his compulsion made him do it. What a crock of shit. Read what he wrote. It's still mainly all about what a great guy he is for admitting it. Despite the fact he didn't really admit he did anything wrong. Of course people have called me a "twit" because I think adults having sex with kids is deplorable so feel free to be pro predator if you like. When you slipped "his powerful liberal friends" in there, you lost all credibility for any point you were trying to make. Just sayin Not sure why telling the truth would upset you. The people that covered up his crimes and harassed his accusers are in fact very outspoken and well known liberals and member of the Democrat party. If conservatives were the ones raping women and children I would mention that as well. Just because you are a liberal also there's no logical reason to bury your head in the sand. That type of thinking is EXACTLY why these sick predators have been raping at will with no punishment for so long.
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Post by poelzig on Nov 14, 2017 5:59:22 GMT
I'm kind of wondering if when two or three, or five, years from now someone makes an accusation of rape or near-rape, or of serious sexual harassment, against a celebrity, whether the critics will be whining, "If this really happened as you claim, why didn't you say anything about it back in 2017 when everybody else was speaking up?" Of course. There are always people who blame the victims.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Nov 14, 2017 7:17:10 GMT
It does make the fact that they gave the Handmaid's Tale an award kind of insincere and hypocritical.
Most of those being accused aren't exactly New Testament thumpers.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 14, 2017 17:24:58 GMT
No, it seems he arranged to be in private places with women and then disrobed and masturbated without consent. He admitted it. Its a sad, done deal. whereas they were all adults and I don't know what woman would be okay with it during it but then bitches about it now, the point of the matter is HE'S A WEIRDASSED PERVERT! Let me put it to you like this: There's this guy whom you look up to and respect. You emulate him. You would like to be like him. You meet the guy and he seems swell. He invites you for drinks. You go. He seems fine.
Then you accept an invitation to drinks again. Again he seems fine.
He invites you to a party. You get there, he shows you around, meet folks who could help your career, everythings going well.
The party starts to wind down. He invites you to a more private area in the house. You think he's probably going to snort a line of coke but you go anyway because either you wouldn't mind snorting line of coke too or you just don't want to be rude and are planning on saying you don't do coke anyhow. Once there he close the door behind you whips his thang and tries to rub it on you.
What do you do?
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Post by Terrapin Station on Nov 14, 2017 17:36:11 GMT
whereas they were all adults and I don't know what woman would be okay with it during it but then bitches about it now, the point of the matter is HE'S A WEIRDASSED PERVERT! Let me put it to you like this: There's this guy whom you look up to and respect. You emulate him. You would like to be like him. You meet the guy and he seems swell. He invites you for drinks. You go. He seems fine.
Then you accept an invitation to drinks again. Again he seems fine.
He invites you to a party. You get there, he shows you around, meet folks who could help your career, everythings going well.
The party starts to wind down. He invites you to a more private area in the house. You think he's probably going to snort a line of coke but you go anyway because either you wouldn't mind snorting line of coke too or you just don't want to be rude and are planning on saying you don't do coke anyhow. Once there he close the door behind you whips his thang and tries to rub it on you.
What do you do?
If you're not interested you say so. You say something like, "I appreciate the offer, I'm flattered that you find me attractive, but I'm sorry to say that I'm just not interested in a sexual or romantic relationship with you." If the person persists, you leave. Otherwise, you get back to business as friends.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 14, 2017 17:58:26 GMT
Let me put it to you like this: There's this guy whom you look up to and respect. You emulate him. You would like to be like him. You meet the guy and he seems swell. He invites you for drinks. You go. He seems fine.
Then you accept an invitation to drinks again. Again he seems fine.
He invites you to a party. You get there, he shows you around, meet folks who could help your career, everythings going well.
The party starts to wind down. He invites you to a more private area in the house. You think he's probably going to snort a line of coke but you go anyway because either you wouldn't mind snorting line of coke too or you just don't want to be rude and are planning on saying you don't do coke anyhow. Once there he close the door behind you whips his thang and tries to rub it on you.
What do you do?
If you're not interested you say so. You say something like, "I appreciate the offer, I'm flattered that you find me attractive, but I'm sorry to say that I'm just not interested in a sexual or romantic relationship with you." If the person persists, you leave. Otherwise, you get back to business as friends. That's easy to say from a hypothetical point of view. You would think it would be that easy, but I'll bet its not. My understanding is that the women involved did some variation of what you suggested. But its not as simple as you make it when the situation involves a person to whom you are financially dependent or he becomes physical.
But look, We need to NOT further victimize the victims. What we need to do is create an environment where this sort of thing does not happen in the first place. Men need to be more aware of their own actions, and women need to be more pro-active in their own defense.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Nov 14, 2017 20:28:07 GMT
If you're not interested you say so. You say something like, "I appreciate the offer, I'm flattered that you find me attractive, but I'm sorry to say that I'm just not interested in a sexual or romantic relationship with you." If the person persists, you leave. Otherwise, you get back to business as friends. That's easy to say from a hypothetical point of view. You would think it would be that easy, but I'll bet its not. My understanding is that the women involved did some variation of what you suggested. But its not as simple as you make it when the situation involves a person to whom you are financially dependent or he becomes physical.
But look, We need to NOT further victimize the victims. What we need to do is create an environment where this sort of thing does not happen in the first place. Men need to be more aware of their own actions, and women need to be more pro-active in their own defense.
It is that easy. First off, you need to not be naive--and we need to teach people to not be naive--and you need to think through these sorts of things before the situation comes up. If it's going to be a difficult decision for you whether you'd have sex with someone just to stay in the gravy or whatever, then you need to weigh those options so that you can make a decision when the situation comes up. Whatever you decide, that's your choice. If it becomes violent, you need to know how to protect yourself. Everyone needs to learn self-defense. Not just for this situation. Everyone needs to know self-defense period. A man doing what you're describing is doing absolutely nothing wrong. He'd only be doing something wrong if he were to become violent. It's up to the other person to decline, and if things become violent, with any situation, incuding if they were to be mugged or attacked in general, they need to know how to handle themselves.
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Post by poelzig on Nov 14, 2017 21:11:25 GMT
That's easy to say from a hypothetical point of view. You would think it would be that easy, but I'll bet its not. My understanding is that the women involved did some variation of what you suggested. But its not as simple as you make it when the situation involves a person to whom you are financially dependent or he becomes physical.
But look, We need to NOT further victimize the victims. What we need to do is create an environment where this sort of thing does not happen in the first place. Men need to be more aware of their own actions, and women need to be more pro-active in their own defense.
It is that easy. First off, you need to not be naive--and we need to teach people to not be naive--and you need to think through these sorts of things before the situation comes up. If it's going to be a difficult decision for you whether you'd have sex with someone just to stay in the gravy or whatever, then you need to weigh those options so that you can make a decision when the situation comes up. Whatever you decide, that's your choice. If it becomes violent, you need to know how to protect yourself. Everyone needs to learn self-defense. Not just for this situation. Everyone needs to know self-defense period. A man doing what you're describing is doing absolutely nothing wrong. He'd only be doing something wrong if he were to become violent. It's up to the other person to decline, and if things become violent, with any situation, incuding if they were to be mugged or attacked in general, they need to know how to handle themselves. So a guy pulling his cock out and trying to rub it on a person who in no way is okay with that "is doing absolutely nothing wrong." What the hell?!! Would you feel the same if it was a vagrant as opposed to some sleazy millionaire douchebag that happens to share your political beliefs?
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Post by Terrapin Station on Nov 14, 2017 21:41:02 GMT
It is that easy. First off, you need to not be naive--and we need to teach people to not be naive--and you need to think through these sorts of things before the situation comes up. If it's going to be a difficult decision for you whether you'd have sex with someone just to stay in the gravy or whatever, then you need to weigh those options so that you can make a decision when the situation comes up. Whatever you decide, that's your choice. If it becomes violent, you need to know how to protect yourself. Everyone needs to learn self-defense. Not just for this situation. Everyone needs to know self-defense period. A man doing what you're describing is doing absolutely nothing wrong. He'd only be doing something wrong if he were to become violent. It's up to the other person to decline, and if things become violent, with any situation, incuding if they were to be mugged or attacked in general, they need to know how to handle themselves. So a guy pulling his cock out and trying to rub it on a person who in no way is okay with that "is doing absolutely nothing wrong." What the hell?!! Would you feel the same if it was a vagrant as opposed to some sleazy millionaire douchebag that happens to share your political beliefs? I don't know of anyone who shares my political beliefs, millionaire douchebags or not. Anyway, my view has nothing to do with whether anyone shares my political beliefs or what their income level is.
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Post by Jayman on Nov 14, 2017 21:41:43 GMT
The whole problem is that when people are in positions of power and can easily ruin somebody, they know they can get away with these sorts of things. It's not always going to be the law that can prevent it. It has to come from within our society. Putting the entire burden on the victim as some people do, only adds to the problem.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Nov 14, 2017 21:46:02 GMT
The whole problem is that when people are in positions of power and can easily ruin somebody, they know they can get away with these sorts of things. It's not always going to be the law that can prevent it. It has to come from within our society. Putting the entire burden on the victim as some people do, only adds to the problem. The problem is thinking that folks are doing something they shouldn't be doing, getting away with something they shouldn't be getting away with.
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Post by poelzig on Nov 14, 2017 21:47:23 GMT
So a guy pulling his cock out and trying to rub it on a person who in no way is okay with that "is doing absolutely nothing wrong." What the hell?!! Would you feel the same if it was a vagrant as opposed to some sleazy millionaire douchebag that happens to share your political beliefs? I don't know of anyone who shares my political beliefs, millionaire douchebags or not. Anyway, my view has nothing to do with whether anyone shares my political beliefs or what their income level is. So you're cool with guys puling out their cocks and grinding on you and your family members. Got it.
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Post by Jayman on Nov 14, 2017 21:47:39 GMT
The whole problem is that when people are in positions of power and can easily ruin somebody, they know they can get away with these sorts of things. It's not always going to be the law that can prevent it. It has to come from within our society. Putting the entire burden on the victim as some people do, only adds to the problem. The problem is thinking that folks are doing something they shouldn't be doing, getting away with something they shouldn't be getting away with. I'm not sure I understand your point
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Post by Terrapin Station on Nov 14, 2017 21:50:01 GMT
I don't know of anyone who shares my political beliefs, millionaire douchebags or not. Anyway, my view has nothing to do with whether anyone shares my political beliefs or what their income level is. So you're cool with guys puling out their cocks and grinding on you and your family members. Got it. I'm cool with it not being illegal. Beyond that it's up to the family member. If they don't like it, ask the person to stop, walk away, etc.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 14, 2017 22:17:32 GMT
That's easy to say from a hypothetical point of view. You would think it would be that easy, but I'll bet its not. My understanding is that the women involved did some variation of what you suggested. But its not as simple as you make it when the situation involves a person to whom you are financially dependent or he becomes physical.
But look, We need to NOT further victimize the victims. What we need to do is create an environment where this sort of thing does not happen in the first place. Men need to be more aware of their own actions, and women need to be more pro-active in their own defense.
It is that easy. First off, you need to not be naive--and we need to teach people to not be naive--and you need to think through these sorts of things before the situation comes up. If it's going to be a difficult decision for you whether you'd have sex with someone just to stay in the gravy or whatever, then you need to weigh those options so that you can make a decision when the situation comes up. Whatever you decide, that's your choice. If it becomes violent, you need to know how to protect yourself. Everyone needs to learn self-defense. Not just for this situation. Everyone needs to know self-defense period. A man doing what you're describing is doing absolutely nothing wrong. He'd only be doing something wrong if he were to become violent. It's up to the other person to decline, and if things become violent, with any situation, incuding if they were to be mugged or attacked in general, they need to know how to handle themselves. You saying: "A man doing what you're describing is doing absolutely nothing wrong" in response to: "...he closes the door behind you whips his thang and tries to rub it on you" speaks volumes without me needing to say anything more.
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