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Post by Terrapin Station on Nov 14, 2017 20:28:07 GMT
If you're not interested you say so. You say something like, "I appreciate the offer, I'm flattered that you find me attractive, but I'm sorry to say that I'm just not interested in a sexual or romantic relationship with you." If the person persists, you leave. Otherwise, you get back to business as friends. That's easy to say from a hypothetical point of view. You would think it would be that easy, but I'll bet its not. My understanding is that the women involved did some variation of what you suggested. But its not as simple as you make it when the situation involves a person to whom you are financially dependent or he becomes physical.
But look, We need to NOT further victimize the victims. What we need to do is create an environment where this sort of thing does not happen in the first place. Men need to be more aware of their own actions, and women need to be more pro-active in their own defense.
It is that easy. First off, you need to not be naive--and we need to teach people to not be naive--and you need to think through these sorts of things before the situation comes up. If it's going to be a difficult decision for you whether you'd have sex with someone just to stay in the gravy or whatever, then you need to weigh those options so that you can make a decision when the situation comes up. Whatever you decide, that's your choice. If it becomes violent, you need to know how to protect yourself. Everyone needs to learn self-defense. Not just for this situation. Everyone needs to know self-defense period. A man doing what you're describing is doing absolutely nothing wrong. He'd only be doing something wrong if he were to become violent. It's up to the other person to decline, and if things become violent, with any situation, incuding if they were to be mugged or attacked in general, they need to know how to handle themselves. |
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Post by poelzig on Nov 14, 2017 21:11:25 GMT
That's easy to say from a hypothetical point of view. You would think it would be that easy, but I'll bet its not. My understanding is that the women involved did some variation of what you suggested. But its not as simple as you make it when the situation involves a person to whom you are financially dependent or he becomes physical.
But look, We need to NOT further victimize the victims. What we need to do is create an environment where this sort of thing does not happen in the first place. Men need to be more aware of their own actions, and women need to be more pro-active in their own defense.
It is that easy. First off, you need to not be naive--and we need to teach people to not be naive--and you need to think through these sorts of things before the situation comes up. If it's going to be a difficult decision for you whether you'd have sex with someone just to stay in the gravy or whatever, then you need to weigh those options so that you can make a decision when the situation comes up. Whatever you decide, that's your choice. If it becomes violent, you need to know how to protect yourself. Everyone needs to learn self-defense. Not just for this situation. Everyone needs to know self-defense period. A man doing what you're describing is doing absolutely nothing wrong. He'd only be doing something wrong if he were to become violent. It's up to the other person to decline, and if things become violent, with any situation, incuding if they were to be mugged or attacked in general, they need to know how to handle themselves. So a guy pulling his cock out and trying to rub it on a person who in no way is okay with that "is doing absolutely nothing wrong." What the hell?!! Would you feel the same if it was a vagrant as opposed to some sleazy millionaire douchebag that happens to share your political beliefs? |
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Post by Terrapin Station on Nov 14, 2017 21:41:02 GMT
It is that easy. First off, you need to not be naive--and we need to teach people to not be naive--and you need to think through these sorts of things before the situation comes up. If it's going to be a difficult decision for you whether you'd have sex with someone just to stay in the gravy or whatever, then you need to weigh those options so that you can make a decision when the situation comes up. Whatever you decide, that's your choice. If it becomes violent, you need to know how to protect yourself. Everyone needs to learn self-defense. Not just for this situation. Everyone needs to know self-defense period. A man doing what you're describing is doing absolutely nothing wrong. He'd only be doing something wrong if he were to become violent. It's up to the other person to decline, and if things become violent, with any situation, incuding if they were to be mugged or attacked in general, they need to know how to handle themselves. So a guy pulling his cock out and trying to rub it on a person who in no way is okay with that "is doing absolutely nothing wrong." What the hell?!! Would you feel the same if it was a vagrant as opposed to some sleazy millionaire douchebag that happens to share your political beliefs? I don't know of anyone who shares my political beliefs, millionaire douchebags or not. Anyway, my view has nothing to do with whether anyone shares my political beliefs or what their income level is. |
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Post by Jayman on Nov 14, 2017 21:41:43 GMT
The whole problem is that when people are in positions of power and can easily ruin somebody, they know they can get away with these sorts of things. It's not always going to be the law that can prevent it. It has to come from within our society. Putting the entire burden on the victim as some people do, only adds to the problem.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Nov 14, 2017 21:46:02 GMT
The whole problem is that when people are in positions of power and can easily ruin somebody, they know they can get away with these sorts of things. It's not always going to be the law that can prevent it. It has to come from within our society. Putting the entire burden on the victim as some people do, only adds to the problem. The problem is thinking that folks are doing something they shouldn't be doing, getting away with something they shouldn't be getting away with. |
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Post by poelzig on Nov 14, 2017 21:47:23 GMT
So a guy pulling his cock out and trying to rub it on a person who in no way is okay with that "is doing absolutely nothing wrong." What the hell?!! Would you feel the same if it was a vagrant as opposed to some sleazy millionaire douchebag that happens to share your political beliefs? I don't know of anyone who shares my political beliefs, millionaire douchebags or not. Anyway, my view has nothing to do with whether anyone shares my political beliefs or what their income level is. So you're cool with guys puling out their cocks and grinding on you and your family members. Got it. |
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Post by Jayman on Nov 14, 2017 21:47:39 GMT
The whole problem is that when people are in positions of power and can easily ruin somebody, they know they can get away with these sorts of things. It's not always going to be the law that can prevent it. It has to come from within our society. Putting the entire burden on the victim as some people do, only adds to the problem. The problem is thinking that folks are doing something they shouldn't be doing, getting away with something they shouldn't be getting away with. I'm not sure I understand your point |
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Post by Terrapin Station on Nov 14, 2017 21:50:01 GMT
I don't know of anyone who shares my political beliefs, millionaire douchebags or not. Anyway, my view has nothing to do with whether anyone shares my political beliefs or what their income level is. So you're cool with guys puling out their cocks and grinding on you and your family members. Got it. I'm cool with it not being illegal. Beyond that it's up to the family member. If they don't like it, ask the person to stop, walk away, etc. |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 14, 2017 22:17:32 GMT
That's easy to say from a hypothetical point of view. You would think it would be that easy, but I'll bet its not. My understanding is that the women involved did some variation of what you suggested. But its not as simple as you make it when the situation involves a person to whom you are financially dependent or he becomes physical.
But look, We need to NOT further victimize the victims. What we need to do is create an environment where this sort of thing does not happen in the first place. Men need to be more aware of their own actions, and women need to be more pro-active in their own defense.
It is that easy. First off, you need to not be naive--and we need to teach people to not be naive--and you need to think through these sorts of things before the situation comes up. If it's going to be a difficult decision for you whether you'd have sex with someone just to stay in the gravy or whatever, then you need to weigh those options so that you can make a decision when the situation comes up. Whatever you decide, that's your choice. If it becomes violent, you need to know how to protect yourself. Everyone needs to learn self-defense. Not just for this situation. Everyone needs to know self-defense period. A man doing what you're describing is doing absolutely nothing wrong. He'd only be doing something wrong if he were to become violent. It's up to the other person to decline, and if things become violent, with any situation, incuding if they were to be mugged or attacked in general, they need to know how to handle themselves. You saying: "A man doing what you're describing is doing absolutely nothing wrong" in response to: "...he closes the door behind you whips his thang and tries to rub it on you" speaks volumes without me needing to say anything more.
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Post by poelzig on Nov 15, 2017 2:59:16 GMT
It is that easy. First off, you need to not be naive--and we need to teach people to not be naive--and you need to think through these sorts of things before the situation comes up. If it's going to be a difficult decision for you whether you'd have sex with someone just to stay in the gravy or whatever, then you need to weigh those options so that you can make a decision when the situation comes up. Whatever you decide, that's your choice. If it becomes violent, you need to know how to protect yourself. Everyone needs to learn self-defense. Not just for this situation. Everyone needs to know self-defense period. A man doing what you're describing is doing absolutely nothing wrong. He'd only be doing something wrong if he were to become violent. It's up to the other person to decline, and if things become violent, with any situation, incuding if they were to be mugged or attacked in general, they need to know how to handle themselves. You saying: "A man doing what you're describing is doing absolutely nothing wrong" in response to: "...he closes the door behind you whips his thang and tries to rub it on you" speaks volumes without me needing to say anything more.
Whatever the turtle is it likes sexual predators rubbing their dongs on women, men and children. Very creepy. |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 15, 2017 15:35:38 GMT
You saying: "A man doing what you're describing is doing absolutely nothing wrong" in response to: "...he closes the door behind you whips his thang and tries to rub it on you" speaks volumes without me needing to say anything more.
Whatever the turtle is it likes sexual predators rubbing their dongs on women, men and children. Very creepy. That is weird |
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Post by kuatorises on Nov 15, 2017 20:32:13 GMT
So you're cool with guys puling out their cocks and grinding on you and your family members. Got it. I'm cool with it not being illegal. Beyond that it's up to the family member. If they don't like it, ask the person to stop, walk away, etc. What is wrong with you? Don't actually answer that. I don't have any interest in listening to you try to justify your sick beliefs, I just wanted to be known that I think you're disgusting. |
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Post by poelzig on Nov 15, 2017 21:28:49 GMT
I'm cool with it not being illegal. Beyond that it's up to the family member. If they don't like it, ask the person to stop, walk away, etc. What is wrong with you? Don't actually answer that. I don't have any interest in listening to you try to justify your sick beliefs, I just wanted to be known that I think you're disgusting. I thought we were all misreading terrapins comment but it's painfully obvious we did not. Maybe terrapin is Predator CK or Harvey. |
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Post by Terrapin Station on Nov 15, 2017 21:45:49 GMT
I'm cool with it not being illegal. Beyond that it's up to the family member. If they don't like it, ask the person to stop, walk away, etc. What is wrong with you? Don't actually answer that. I don't have any interest in listening to you try to justify your sick beliefs, I just wanted to be known that I think you're disgusting. When I saw that you replied to a post of mine, never in a million years did I think that you'd say something like you said above. I was assuming you'd completely agree with me. Psych! |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Nov 16, 2017 14:41:25 GMT
It is going to get a lot worse. This has been building up for years and is going to explode and it serves them right. They are vile and disgusting people and it is about time they answer for their crimes 'cause as famous as they might be they are not above the law and I hate the special treatment celebrities always get when they commit crimes.  I'd say it's more about those with money, regardless of being a celebrity or not. These crimes aren't the big deal they are getting made out to be either and people are way too precious, operate from victim mentalities or pretend to— the biggest victim always comes out on top—and have their own self-serving agendas. Behaviors are getting exposed, and some rightly so; but it is also being coming and absurd circus at the same time. Some of these so-called victims, are looking for dirt where ever they can find it. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Nov 16, 2017 15:15:57 GMT
That's easy to say from a hypothetical point of view. You would think it would be that easy, but I'll bet its not. My understanding is that the women involved did some variation of what you suggested. But its not as simple as you make it when the situation involves a person to whom you are financially dependent or he becomes physical.
But look, We need to NOT further victimize the victims. What we need to do is create an environment where this sort of thing does not happen in the first place. Men need to be more aware of their own actions, and women need to be more pro-active in their own defense.
Too many fappers around if you ask me. Just shoot em all I say! Seriously though, how do you propose to create this environment, especially when they are in a private environment, that may even be their own home? It's just not going to happen and if a man flops out his doodle to show off to some chick— or dude—in an attempt to impress them, it will just have to be dealt with with it on the spot, or WALK AWAY. If there is no physical violent force involved, and one makes a choice to go to a private place with someone they hardly know, then perhaps that is just a small consequence. I have been around females that have exposed their boobs to me in a private place in an attempt to get me interested. One was even on a main rd at night. Put your floppy funbags back, not interested sweetheart.  |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 16, 2017 16:50:57 GMT
That's easy to say from a hypothetical point of view. You would think it would be that easy, but I'll bet its not. My understanding is that the women involved did some variation of what you suggested. But its not as simple as you make it when the situation involves a person to whom you are financially dependent or he becomes physical.
But look, We need to NOT further victimize the victims. What we need to do is create an environment where this sort of thing does not happen in the first place. Men need to be more aware of their own actions, and women need to be more pro-active in their own defense.
Too many fappers around if you ask me. Just shoot em all I say! Seriously though, how do you propose to create this environment, especially when they are in a private environment, that may even be their own home? It's just not going to happen and if a man flops out his doodle to show off to some chick— or dude—in an attempt to impress them, it will just have to be dealt with with it on the spot, or WALK AWAY. If there is no physical violent force involved, and one makes a choice to go to a private place with someone they hardly know, then perhaps that is just a small consequence. I have been around females that have exposed their boobs to me in a private place in an attempt to get me interested. One was even on a main rd at night. Put your floppy funbags back, not interested sweetheart. Thats the thing! The environment is created when BOTH sides of the equation, woman AND men, are aware of the problem and committed to making change. Problem is men and women have different opinions about it because of our positions in that scenario.
For example: When that woman came at you with the boobs did she have power over you in some way and did she make a demand of you? Did she put you in a compromising position afterwards when you shoed no interest? Did you feel physically threatened? Did you feel financially threatened? Some guys would probably even like such behavior towards them. Maybe even most guys. But just because we'd be okay with that doesn't mean that women have to be. On the other hand women have to be more proactive as well, and seek out male allies.
I believe change will happen. We're clearly just not there yet.
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Post by deembastille on Nov 16, 2017 17:00:08 GMT
Too many fappers around if you ask me. Just shoot em all I say! Seriously though, how do you propose to create this environment, especially when they are in a private environment, that may even be their own home? It's just not going to happen and if a man flops out his doodle to show off to some chick— or dude—in an attempt to impress them, it will just have to be dealt with with it on the spot, or WALK AWAY. If there is no physical violent force involved, and one makes a choice to go to a private place with someone they hardly know, then perhaps that is just a small consequence. I have been around females that have exposed their boobs to me in a private place in an attempt to get me interested. One was even on a main rd at night. Put your floppy funbags back, not interested sweetheart. Thats the thing! The environment is created when BOTH sides of the equation, woman AND men, are aware of the problem and committed to making change. Problem is men and women have different opinions about it because of our positions in that scenario.
For example: When that woman came at you with the boobs did she have power over you in some way and did she make a demand of you? Did she put you in a compromising position afterwards when you shoed no interest? Did you feel physically threatened? Did you feel financially threatened? Some guys would probably even like such behavior towards them. Maybe even most guys. But just because we'd be okay with that doesn't mean that women have to be. On the other hand women have to be more proactive as well, and seek out male allies.
I believe change will happen. We're clearly just not there yet.
I agree. I went to school with a girl who was very ample chested. She would literally fling them onto guy's backs (plural) and then when the guys would take the hint and act on the obvious come-on she would start screaming bloody murder and how she was being sexually harassed. People need to wake up and accept responsibility for their actions. |
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Post by MiketheMechanic on Nov 16, 2017 17:03:37 GMT
This just in: Senator Al Franken Accused of Groping a Woman in 2006WASHINGTON — A growing national outcry over sexual harassment reached the Senate on Thursday, when a radio newscaster accused Al Franken, Democrat of Minnesota, of kissing and groping her without consent during a 2006 U.S.O. tour of the Middle East before he took public office. Mr. Franken almost immediately released an apology to the newscaster, Leeann Tweeden, who said that Mr. Franken forcibly kissed her during a rehearsal and groped her for a photo as she slept. “I certainly don’t remember the rehearsal for the skit in the same way, but I send my sincerest apologies to Leeann,” Mr. Franken, who has been mentioned as a possible presidential candidate, said in a statement. “As to the photo, it was clearly intended to be funny but wasn’t. I shouldn’t have done it.” www.nytimes.com/2017/11/16/us/politics/al-franken-sexual-harassment-groping-forcible-kissing.html?emc=edit_na_20171116&nl=breaking-news&nlid=69401762&ref=cta |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Nov 16, 2017 22:40:41 GMT
Too many fappers around if you ask me. Just shoot em all I say! Seriously though, how do you propose to create this environment, especially when they are in a private environment, that may even be their own home? It's just not going to happen and if a man flops out his doodle to show off to some chick— or dude—in an attempt to impress them, it will just have to be dealt with with it on the spot, or WALK AWAY. If there is no physical violent force involved, and one makes a choice to go to a private place with someone they hardly know, then perhaps that is just a small consequence. I have been around females that have exposed their boobs to me in a private place in an attempt to get me interested. One was even on a main rd at night. Put your floppy funbags back, not interested sweetheart. Thats the thing! The environment is created when BOTH sides of the equation, woman AND men, are aware of the problem and committed to making change. Problem is men and women have different opinions about it because of our positions in that scenario.
For example: When that woman came at you with the boobs did she have power over you in some way and did she make a demand of you? Did she put you in a compromising position afterwards when you shoed no interest? Did you feel physically threatened? Did you feel financially threatened? Some guys would probably even like such behavior towards them. Maybe even most guys. But just because we'd be okay with that doesn't mean that women have to be. On the other hand women have to be more proactive as well, and seek out male allies.
I believe change will happen. We're clearly just not there yet.
It's about acting appropriately and accordingly, but we can't control the behaviors of others, even if we try. There are also other factors that may contribute, and being inebriated, coked up, perhaps both can determine why one behaves the way they do. Not to mention mental disorders, but sometimes I think that just might be an arrogant cop out and many people are caught up in their own egoism, sense of self-importance and narcissism. It's no wonder the entertainment industry is being targeted here. The paradox here though, and also hypocrisy, is most people like to watch these entertainers and what they produce. It's like a double edged sword and there is never going to be complete harmony, life here on earth just doesn't offer that resolution. There is way too much suffering and also denial of the suffering. Seeing oneself as a victim, also needs to be put into perspective, compared to what others can experience or suffer through. Just to answer your question, no, those women didn't have power over me. I have power over myself. They probably felt that their sexuality\gender would have power over me, but may have felt deflated because I'm not interested in what they had to offer physically\sexually. They either thought I should be interested, or wanted me to be interested. How else do they lure men to pay them any interest or mind? It can become about manipulation on both sides of the fence. |
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