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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 10, 2017 20:43:35 GMT
Whereas I don't get how he is funny, I do feel badly for his family because his name only came up a couple of days ago and he is already front page news in the Daily News. Multiple articles and stories in the New York Times. You must really be whacked if you are front page news in two days. Jon Stewart must be eating so much crow right now. I feel so badly for his wife and kids. I'll admit that his comedy does skew "guy". Although I thought his TV show was open minded on a lot of topics and quite humanistic.
There was one joke of his (which I heard in tow sets of his) that made me feel very uncomfortable. To be completely honest, I don't find this hard to believe. I can see it, unfortunately. But still I wish it weren't true because, like I said, I love his comedy.
He's divorced, if I'm not mistaken. His two daughters will take this the hardest I expect. At least he's not denying it and everyone involved can move on to whatever's next in this sad story.
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Post by deembastille on Nov 10, 2017 20:51:01 GMT
You're giving this behavior a little lee way, a little bit of a loop hole. I understand that you condemn pedos, as we all do, but to say that its only pedophilia if its a certain age is a slippery slope. I just have to reiterate. We must find the accusations to be true before you call anyone a pedo. Accusations alone are devastating for all involved and they are doubly worse when they are unfounded believe it or not. Now everyone will look at you weird wondering why you are doing that (anything) just itching to pick up the phone again. Proof before condemnation. And still, feel badly for them because something must have happened in their childhood for their brains to turn off Mr conscience like that. Just remember that nearly all famous serial killers had some form of 'unique' upbringing. |
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Post by deembastille on Nov 10, 2017 20:52:15 GMT
Whereas I don't get how he is funny, I do feel badly for his family because his name only came up a couple of days ago and he is already front page news in the Daily News. Multiple articles and stories in the New York Times. You must really be whacked if you are front page news in two days. Jon Stewart must be eating so much crow right now. I feel so badly for his wife and kids. I'll admit that his comedy does skew "guy". Although I thought his TV show was open minded on a lot of topics and quite humanistic.
There was one joke of his (which I heard in tow sets of his) that made me feel very uncomfortable. To be completely honest, I don't find this hard to believe. I can see it, unfortunately. But still I wish it weren't true because, like I said, I love his comedy.
He's divorced, if I'm not mistaken. His two daughters will take this the hardest I expect. At least he's not denying it and everyone involved can move on to whatever's next in this sad story.
Yeah. I still feel sorry for her. She didn't sign up for this. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Nov 10, 2017 22:26:17 GMT
Franco was caught sexting to an underage Scottish girl. Holy shit! That's right! I remember that now! lol Franco is GAY. This was just part of his games. |
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Post by ZolotoyRetriever on Nov 10, 2017 22:33:08 GMT
Hope Solo accuses ex-FIFA president of assault.
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Post by deembastille on Nov 10, 2017 22:34:03 GMT
lenlenlen1... what was the joke that made you feel uncomfortable?
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Post by Nora on Nov 11, 2017 1:45:13 GMT
wow. anger or some other issues seem to have gotten the better of you. even the actor himself didnt call it a rape attempt. from his own account it was nowhere close a rape attempt. and your stretch with putting victim blaming into other peoples mouth… well… like i said in the beginning of this post, it seems anger of some other issues have gotten the better of you/your judgment. I am quite sure nobody here would want rapists to go free or doesnt see rape as a crime. So far spacey has not been accused of rape (unlike Weinstein) so maybe hold your pitchfork horses for just a little longer. PS: he didnt say he didnt remember HIM (on contrary he paid respects to him), he said didnt remember what Rapp was saying that happened. The encounter. That may or may not be true but stay true when you are quoting someone. Now that the number of men accusing your hero Spacey of RAPE has risen to FOURTEEN (ironically also the age he likes to attack most) what excuse while you make for him? The fact you think a person has issues if they are disgusted by a child rapist says a LOT about you. I truly hope you don't have any kids or are even allowed to be alone with any. No wonder rape victims are afraid to come forward when dirt stupid idiots would rather call them liars than believe their favorite actor is a sick predator. God forbid you can't stuff cheese doodles in your gaping maw while watching House of Cards, right? Damn those mean old rape victims for coming forward. Hell you were whining because I quoted your rapist hero incorrectly but were cool with him raping kids. Yet you claim I'm the one with issues. TYPICAL!!!! wow. what a loaded post. again, with anger. misguided though. FYI - I have only seen 1 episode of HoC in my entire life and am not a particular fan of Spacey, I just recognize his (immense) talent. Not to be confused with supporting child raping pls. Those are two different things. Again, I think you will struggle to find ANYONE here who is "cool with anyone raping kids". But you see what you want to see… Ill leave it at that. |
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Post by deembastille on Nov 11, 2017 1:56:25 GMT
nora, just put the twit on ignore. he'll light himself on fire with his own pitchfork.
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Post by Nora on Nov 11, 2017 2:03:24 GMT
of course I agree with a statement "pedophilia is bad". Like I said above, I think you will struggle to find people who would disagree. All I am asking is to put things into perspective. A) people call just about anything pedophilia these days. Lets remind ourselves that its pedophilia when you are primarily interested in pre-pubescent children. Typically 7-12 years old. From what we know Spacey HIT ON (not actually had sex) someone who was 14 years 7 months old and who voluntarily went to a night club with him before that (and got in so its possible Spacey was not even aware of his age). B) just because someone has younger lovers they are not necessarily pedos. I wish people stopped using that word in the wrong context please. C) to play a devils advocate - lets say Spacey actually did have sex with someone who was 12 and he was an actual pedophile. He then should go to jail/treatment/both for sure. Of course. And pay money to victims and repent etc. BUT, once he would get out of jail, his "debt to society" is presumed to be paid off (thats how criminal law works) and he should have a right to be a member of the society again, including doing his job. The only limitation he could actually have is working with kids. And I bet you anything that had this happened under different circumstances (minus the hysteria) such person would be allowed to go back to their career, even show business, if their talent was this big and they showed signs of change, restriction, successful treatment etc. What bugs me the most his that these people (even though some may be criminals) receive treatment (and effectively punishment) that to me doesn't match the deeds/crimes. Not to mention its all carried out without court and trials. I am genuinely worried how far this will go. HBO is already pulling Louis CK stuff from VOD. Netlifx stopped HoC. Scott is reshooting. This seems like an erra of censorship is ahead of us. And erra where a few statements (no matter if true or false) can ruin peoples livelihoods and lives. btw, re Louis CK - any adult woman that wants to be in comedy business so much that they will let a man talk to them while jerking off, even though they are repulsed by it or hate it or whatever, is making ALL OF US look bad/weak/stupid. You gotta make the responsible choice. For yourself, for women, for all of us. If you didn't like it, then your potential comedy career shouldn't be in a way of you making exit, reporting it etc. who choses to be a victim of sexual "assault" rather than risking their career?? Well... a few issues... A) You're giving this behavior a little lee way, a little bit of a loop hole. I understand that you condemn pedos, as we all do, but to say that its only pedophilia if its a certain age is a slippery slope. Because...
C) Pedo's do not recover. Its been statistically shown that even when they get out of prison they go back to their old ways.
And as for your Louis C.K. point- That I kinda agree with. If you're a woman in a situation like this you MUST speak up; And as quickly as possible! Some of these guys have been doing this for decades! If a guy was assaulting women for twenty years, it makes me think how many other people would have been spared for 19 years if someone had spoken up early.
Its great they're course correcting now, but not for all those who got assaulted when they could have been spared.
this is ( I feel) a productive discussion. So lets continue  A) I go by the official definition of it, which relies on pre-pubescent age. When you are attracted to pubescent or adolescent individuals its just not the same diagnoses. Thats all I am saying. If the medical definition changes, Ill be happy to go with the new definition I presume. C) While true pedophiles may not "recover" (as in not feel the urge to be sexually attracted to prepubescent children anymore, as that is something that they may have been born with) many fully recognize its a behaviour that harms the society and chose not to act on it, and stay with pornography or fantasies. Some will revert back to their old behavior, sure. But there are varying treatments and also varying results and varying degree of the urges they feel. I would be interested in finding out the accurate statistics on repetition of the criminalized behaviour after jail/treatment. from what I found on google it actually seems most pedos actually DONT act on their urges or are able to forego these urges after penalty/treatment carried out. As much as this will probably upset some readers here, I still don't see how Spacey would qualify as a true pedophile. He seems to be more into young adults/adolescents. Which would make him a Ephebophiliac. Also I want to remind the US readers here that in the rest of the world the age of consent is usually lower than in the USA. give or take 15-16 in most European states for example. So not everyone everywhere sees engaging in a sexual relationship with a 15-16 year old as a crime. |
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Post by shannondegroot on Nov 11, 2017 3:47:34 GMT
George Takei
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Post by ZolotoyRetriever on Nov 11, 2017 3:56:14 GMT
Lol What did Lt. Sulu do? Have naughty sex with an under-aged tribble? lol
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Post by poelzig on Nov 11, 2017 6:15:05 GMT
nora, just put the twit on ignore. he'll light himself on fire with his own pitchfork. I find anyone who would take advantage of kids a loathsome piece of shit and the lowlife garbage who defends those rapist scum are not any better. You can prattle on all day long if you like but only a despicable loser with no morals is okay with adults fucking kids. If thinking kids shouldn't be raped makes me a twit then I guess I'm a twit. By the way I have zero sympathy for scum that take advantage of the elderly too. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2017 12:45:50 GMT
As i wrote in another thread. I fear that this will turn into a modern version of McCarthyism.
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Post by MiketheMechanic on Nov 11, 2017 16:42:22 GMT
As i wrote in another thread. I fear that this will turn into a modern version of McCarthyism. Yup. The New Hollywood Blacklist. |
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Post by shannondegroot on Nov 11, 2017 21:53:06 GMT
Lol What did Lt. Sulu do? Have naughty sex with an under-aged tribble? lol
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2017 0:59:53 GMT
The takeaway I'm getting from all this is that if a famous filmmaker/actor pours me a drink, I should politely decline and leave the party for a few minutes to load up on tap water from the convenience store.
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Post by shannondegroot on Nov 12, 2017 4:10:30 GMT
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 13, 2017 15:38:09 GMT
lenlenlen1 ... what was the joke that made you feel uncomfortable? It was the only time I've truly felt uncomfortable by a comedians stand up joke. It was a joke he made about his own daughters when they were still little children. I don't know if there's a "line" you shouldn't cross as a comedian, but surely making public jokes about ones OWN children in THAT way should be in there, no? |
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Post by deembastille on Nov 13, 2017 16:47:48 GMT
lenlenlen1 ... what was the joke that made you feel uncomfortable? It was the only time I've truly felt uncomfortable by a comedians stand up joke. It was a joke he made about his own daughters when they were still little children. I don't know if there's a "line" you shouldn't cross as a comedian, but surely making public jokes about ones OWN children in THAT way should be in there, no? I guess. I mean Kevin Hart made fun of his baby son. But I know what you mean. He is a father to daughters. Nasty and smarmy. |
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Post by deembastille on Nov 13, 2017 16:54:19 GMT
Calling the four year old a douchebag, fucking asshole, jerk and that was within the first 18 seconds.
But the people were loving it. They have to take partial blame.
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