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Nov 2, 2017 6:49:44 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2017 6:49:44 GMT
Yeah ive seen this already. That looks terrible. Just terrible...
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Nov 2, 2017 8:58:25 GMT
Post by dazz on Nov 2, 2017 8:58:25 GMT
Just going to hope this is going to be the characters look early on, maybe she's going to try using her powers to be a hero like her daughter wants it seems like, but then the turn happens and she evolves more into the alien look later on, I can imagine that the full Reign look being saved for the finale or something, but also keep in mind that yeah they do allow for other characters to get full make up and stuff but if the character is meant to be full on alien mode all the time that means it's going to cost a lot, the character wont be seen much or it needs to be held off to a point to budget for it properly by saving money in earlier episodes.
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Nov 2, 2017 10:21:59 GMT
Post by Austra on Nov 2, 2017 10:21:59 GMT
I'm assuming that lack of cleavage is an attempt at avoiding objectification complaints? Is cleavage more offensive than the male torso? Prudish knuckleheads have ruined nice things. I've seen better costumes in porn parodies.
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Nov 2, 2017 12:57:25 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2017 12:57:25 GMT
Just going to hope this is going to be the characters look early on, maybe she's going to try using her powers to be a hero like her daughter wants it seems like, but then the turn happens and she evolves more into the alien look later on, I can imagine that the full Reign look being saved for the finale or something, but also keep in mind that yeah they do allow for other characters to get full make up and stuff but if the character is meant to be full on alien mode all the time that means it's going to cost a lot, the character wont be seen much or it needs to be held off to a point to budget for it properly by saving money in earlier episodes. Hopefully you are right. There have been a few dreamlike scenes where she looks more alienlike and somewhat similar to her form in the comic books and perhaps she will turn into that form when she faces off with Supergirl. We have yet to find out if we are going to see the other Worldkillers in the show too but the actress recently said in an interview she had heard talk about bringing another one in but could not say anything about it so they might be the thing that awoken at the end of the latest episode.
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Nov 2, 2017 19:08:09 GMT
Post by taylorfirst1 on Nov 2, 2017 19:08:09 GMT
It looks ok.
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Nov 3, 2017 1:39:30 GMT
Post by General Kenobi on Nov 3, 2017 1:39:30 GMT
When I saw this I wondered what you'd think. I knew Reign's look would be different but I wasn't expecting so different she's in name only. Basically she's just Supergirl in a black costume.
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Nov 4, 2017 7:14:33 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2017 7:14:33 GMT
When I saw this I wondered what you'd think. I knew Reign's look would be different but I wasn't expecting so different she's in name only. Basically she's just Supergirl in a black costume. Yeah. She is. It looks like they just made her an evil version of Supergirl with a different costume which is not what the 'Reign' character is supposed to be like at all. I am not sure where they are heading with this but I was surprised when they announced she was going to start off as a human 'cause Reign is supposed to be a Worldkiller who has gone around destroying lots of planets and killing lots of innocent lifeforms. I mean you have to remember Doomsday was believed to be the missing Worldkiller and the Worldkillers are all very strong and powerful so this is very disappointing. Hopefully like Dazz said about we will get to see something more like the comic book character at the end.
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Nov 4, 2017 9:54:26 GMT
Post by dazz on Nov 4, 2017 9:54:26 GMT
When I saw this I wondered what you'd think. I knew Reign's look would be different but I wasn't expecting so different she's in name only. Basically she's just Supergirl in a black costume. Yeah. She is. It looks like they just made her an evil version of Supergirl with a different costume which is not what the 'Reign' character is supposed to be like at all. I am not sure where they are heading with this but I was surprised when they announced she was going to start off as a human 'cause Reign is supposed to be a Worldkiller who has gone around destroying lots of planets and killing lots of innocent lifeforms. I mean you have to remember Doomsday was believed to be the missing Worldkiller and the Worldkillers are all very strong and powerful so this is very disappointing. Hopefully like Dazz said about we will get to see something more like the comic book character at the end. Seems like they are following the Smallville route that they took with Doomsday, which again was due to budget and limitations of CW size shows, hopefully they don't go the exact same route though, also it's not too surprising given Smallville made this massive change to the Doomsday mythology for their show and Doomsday is a far more iconic character, Reign on the other hand is basically an unknown, which I know Deb wont like hearing but it's true, Doomsday was a character that had been around almost 2 decades, had a major event based around his debut, acheived something unfathomable at the time in killing Superman and had been included in multiple TV shows, animated films and probably hundreds of comic appearances, where as Reign is relatively unknown only been around 5 years or so and has only a dozen or so appearances in the comics from what I quickly gathered.
Also not surprising they would change up the story, if the character is meant to be a reoccurring or even regular part of a show during a 20+ episode season you need to give them something more than just being evil, I mean look at LOT S1 one problem that show had is Vandal Savage was dull as a villain because it's all he was, where as you look at all the entertaining villains through the Arrowverse shows they all have some humanity and emotional component to them, a monster hell bent on destroying everything is sort of like meh who cares, that's a VOTW not a big bad for the season.
Reign and foes like that imo seem better suited as a movie villains or as the surprise villain at the end of a season, which I think Smallville did well when they had Lex or Brainiac as the primary antagonist through the season, it meant they could then have the final enemy or the cliffhanger threat then be Zod or Bizarro, this way you didn't need to water them down through an entire season, and because Lex was so devious or Brainiac was so dangerous the fact that this was they pay off made those threats so much bigger, at least for me it did.
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Nov 4, 2017 10:23:27 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2017 10:23:27 GMT
Finally the hero of the story has come.
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Nov 6, 2017 7:21:56 GMT
Post by BexxyJ on Nov 6, 2017 7:21:56 GMT
That's gotta be made by the same costume designers working for the Flash. Somebody needs to fire these people. Their costumes are downright lame. Are these people getting paid or are they secretly out to sabotage the show?
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Nov 6, 2017 16:30:24 GMT
Post by taylorfirst1 on Nov 6, 2017 16:30:24 GMT
That's gotta be made by the same costume designers working for the Flash. Somebody needs to fire these people. Their costumes are downright lame. Are these people getting paid or are they secretly out to sabotage the show?You could ask the same question about the writers on these Dc Cw shows.
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Nov 7, 2017 6:40:36 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2017 6:40:36 GMT
Yeah. She is. It looks like they just made her an evil version of Supergirl with a different costume which is not what the 'Reign' character is supposed to be like at all. I am not sure where they are heading with this but I was surprised when they announced she was going to start off as a human 'cause Reign is supposed to be a Worldkiller who has gone around destroying lots of planets and killing lots of innocent lifeforms. I mean you have to remember Doomsday was believed to be the missing Worldkiller and the Worldkillers are all very strong and powerful so this is very disappointing. Hopefully like Dazz said about we will get to see something more like the comic book character at the end. Seems like they are following the Smallville route that they took with Doomsday, which again was due to budget and limitations of CW size shows, hopefully they don't go the exact same route though, also it's not too surprising given Smallville made this massive change to the Doomsday mythology for their show and Doomsday is a far more iconic character, Reign on the other hand is basically an unknown, which I know Deb wont like hearing but it's true, Doomsday was a character that had been around almost 2 decades, had a major event based around his debut, acheived something unfathomable at the time in killing Superman and had been included in multiple TV shows, animated films and probably hundreds of comic appearances, where as Reign is relatively unknown only been around 5 years or so and has only a dozen or so appearances in the comics from what I quickly gathered.
Also not surprising they would change up the story, if the character is meant to be a reoccurring or even regular part of a show during a 20+ episode season you need to give them something more than just being evil, I mean look at LOT S1 one problem that show had is Vandal Savage was dull as a villain because it's all he was, where as you look at all the entertaining villains through the Arrowverse shows they all have some humanity and emotional component to them, a monster hell bent on destroying everything is sort of like meh who cares, that's a VOTW not a big bad for the season.
Reign and foes like that imo seem better suited as a movie villains or as the surprise villain at the end of a season, which I think Smallville did well when they had Lex or Brainiac as the primary antagonist through the season, it meant they could then have the final enemy or the cliffhanger threat then be Zod or Bizarro, this way you didn't need to water them down through an entire season, and because Lex was so devious or Brainiac was so dangerous the fact that this was they pay off made those threats so much bigger, at least for me it did.
I think you are right with the Reign and 'Doomsday/Davis comparisons from 'Smallville' and the writers seem to have already taken a few other things from 'Smallville' for 'Supergirl' such as Clark and Lex being former best friends and the existence of a short blonde that followed Clark around. Reign's human form is most likely to do with the budget of the show which is disappointing 'cause I would have preferred to have seen Reign in her alien form from the start and to have seen her met with Supergirl on the remains of Kandor like they did in the comic books but Supergirl being grounded most likely has a lot to do with the budget too. I agree with you about monsters hell bent on destroying things being better for movies but I think they could have handled the character better if they had Reign come to earth and assume a human form as a disguise to get close to Kara only to betray her near the end and turn out to be Reign. I also thought Doomsday would have been better too if they had him aware of his monster and could transform at any time he wanted but assumed a human form to walk around in the day but that wasn't the path they took.
Vandal Savage was boring and he was probably my least favourite villain out of all the villains they have had in the 'Arrowverse' and I think 'DC's Legends of Tomorrow' would be better if they had them go up against multiple villains from the comic books every season and they had the chance to do that when they brought the JLA in who have a large gallery of villains that would be fun to see on screen but they chose to reuse Damian Dark, Reverse Flash and Malcolm Merlyn instead. The problem with Vandal Savage to me was he was dragged out too long and his connection to the Hawks didn't do him any favours.
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Post by dazz on Nov 7, 2017 13:27:32 GMT
Seems like they are following the Smallville route that they took with Doomsday, which again was due to budget and limitations of CW size shows, hopefully they don't go the exact same route though, also it's not too surprising given Smallville made this massive change to the Doomsday mythology for their show and Doomsday is a far more iconic character, Reign on the other hand is basically an unknown, which I know Deb wont like hearing but it's true, Doomsday was a character that had been around almost 2 decades, had a major event based around his debut, acheived something unfathomable at the time in killing Superman and had been included in multiple TV shows, animated films and probably hundreds of comic appearances, where as Reign is relatively unknown only been around 5 years or so and has only a dozen or so appearances in the comics from what I quickly gathered.
Also not surprising they would change up the story, if the character is meant to be a reoccurring or even regular part of a show during a 20+ episode season you need to give them something more than just being evil, I mean look at LOT S1 one problem that show had is Vandal Savage was dull as a villain because it's all he was, where as you look at all the entertaining villains through the Arrowverse shows they all have some humanity and emotional component to them, a monster hell bent on destroying everything is sort of like meh who cares, that's a VOTW not a big bad for the season.
Reign and foes like that imo seem better suited as a movie villains or as the surprise villain at the end of a season, which I think Smallville did well when they had Lex or Brainiac as the primary antagonist through the season, it meant they could then have the final enemy or the cliffhanger threat then be Zod or Bizarro, this way you didn't need to water them down through an entire season, and because Lex was so devious or Brainiac was so dangerous the fact that this was they pay off made those threats so much bigger, at least for me it did.
I think you are right with the Reign and 'Doomsday/Davis comparisons from 'Smallville' and the writers seem to have already taken a few other things from 'Smallville' for 'Supergirl' such as Clark and Lex being former best friends and the existence of a short blonde that followed Clark around. Reign's human form is most likely to do with the budget of the show which is disappointing 'cause I would have preferred to have seen Reign in her alien form from the start and to have seen her met with Supergirl on the remains of Kandor like they did in the comic books but Supergirl being grounded most likely has a lot to do with the budget too. I agree with you about monsters hell bent on destroying things being better for movies but I think they could have handled the character better if they had Reign come to earth and assume a human form as a disguise to get close to Kara only to betray her near the end and turn out to be Reign. I also thought Doomsday would have been better too if they had him aware of his monster and could transform at any time he wanted but assumed a human form to walk around in the day but that wasn't the path they took.
Vandal Savage was boring and he was probably my least favourite villain out of all the villains they have had in the 'Arrowverse' and I think 'DC's Legends of Tomorrow' would be better if they had them go up against multiple villains from the comic books every season and they had the chance to do that when they brought the JLA in who have a large gallery of villains that would be fun to see on screen but they chose to reuse Damian Dark, Reverse Flash and Malcolm Merlyn instead. The problem with Vandal Savage to me was he was dragged out too long and his connection to the Hawks didn't do him any favours.
One problem I had with Doomsday in Smallville and it's similar to this now is I hate the unawares villain who joins the show that season and becomes ingratiated with the main cast only to become evil by the end shit, if that's the plan then fine but do it over 2 seasons, let them be just a part of the show even in a reoccurring role for a season then the next year you start the slow turn, because as it is now and was then you have to rush and force these connections that we never saw before to try and make us care about them going bad, and as it is I don't, because I know she's going evil by seasons end I'm not invested in any of her personal stuff, I just want her to hulk out so we can get some fun fights.
Your idea works better for me as a season long antagonist works, they bring new problems for the heroes to face for that season, and having them be an enemy whilst pretending to be a friend cuts out the need to make me care about them as a character and instead can focus on the relationship between them and the hero, although I dunno how close to the Reign characters mentality that would be, it wouldn't have worked for Doomsday as it's so off from what Doomsday is perceived to be it would have riled people up more, him being a split personality however allowed for differences but kept Doomsday much the same.
As for Savage everything about him and that season was a fucking shambles, so less said about that pile of crap the better, but funny thing did you pick up on a continuity error from S1 in the last episode, unless I missed something where was Ray's brother? He has a twin right as he's the one who sold the Atom suit designed drones that they face in S1 in the kill the kid two part episode, why is Ray suddenly an only child? Did no one notice this anomaly? fucking Legends are incompetent
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Nov 14, 2017 12:59:32 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2017 12:59:32 GMT
I think you are right with the Reign and 'Doomsday/Davis comparisons from 'Smallville' and the writers seem to have already taken a few other things from 'Smallville' for 'Supergirl' such as Clark and Lex being former best friends and the existence of a short blonde that followed Clark around. Reign's human form is most likely to do with the budget of the show which is disappointing 'cause I would have preferred to have seen Reign in her alien form from the start and to have seen her met with Supergirl on the remains of Kandor like they did in the comic books but Supergirl being grounded most likely has a lot to do with the budget too. I agree with you about monsters hell bent on destroying things being better for movies but I think they could have handled the character better if they had Reign come to earth and assume a human form as a disguise to get close to Kara only to betray her near the end and turn out to be Reign. I also thought Doomsday would have been better too if they had him aware of his monster and could transform at any time he wanted but assumed a human form to walk around in the day but that wasn't the path they took.
Vandal Savage was boring and he was probably my least favourite villain out of all the villains they have had in the 'Arrowverse' and I think 'DC's Legends of Tomorrow' would be better if they had them go up against multiple villains from the comic books every season and they had the chance to do that when they brought the JLA in who have a large gallery of villains that would be fun to see on screen but they chose to reuse Damian Dark, Reverse Flash and Malcolm Merlyn instead. The problem with Vandal Savage to me was he was dragged out too long and his connection to the Hawks didn't do him any favours.
One problem I had with Doomsday in Smallville and it's similar to this now is I hate the unawares villain who joins the show that season and becomes ingratiated with the main cast only to become evil by the end shit, if that's the plan then fine but do it over 2 seasons, let them be just a part of the show even in a reoccurring role for a season then the next year you start the slow turn, because as it is now and was then you have to rush and force these connections that we never saw before to try and make us care about them going bad, and as it is I don't, because I know she's going evil by seasons end I'm not invested in any of her personal stuff, I just want her to hulk out so we can get some fun fights.
Your idea works better for me as a season long antagonist works, they bring new problems for the heroes to face for that season, and having them be an enemy whilst pretending to be a friend cuts out the need to make me care about them as a character and instead can focus on the relationship between them and the hero, although I dunno how close to the Reign characters mentality that would be, it wouldn't have worked for Doomsday as it's so off from what Doomsday is perceived to be it would have riled people up more, him being a split personality however allowed for differences but kept Doomsday much the same.
As for Savage everything about him and that season was a fucking shambles, so less said about that pile of crap the better, but funny thing did you pick up on a continuity error from S1 in the last episode, unless I missed something where was Ray's brother? He has a twin right as he's the one who sold the Atom suit designed drones that they face in S1 in the kill the kid two part episode, why is Ray suddenly an only child? Did no one notice this anomaly? fucking Legends are incompetent
I agree. It is better if they spread that out and build it up over seasons instead of randomly bringing a character in off the streets and having them get close to the lead only for them to become the villain at the end of the season and I believe the writers of Smallville did a better job with Lex in that regard and while the majority of viewers knew Lex was going to become a villain when you look back on the early seasons when Clark and him were friends there were times when it looked like there was hope for the character and it wasn’t until he killed his Father and locked the young version of himself up in his mind that he really crossed the line from just being a character on the verge of darkness to a ‘full blown villain’ that Clark couldn’t save. With ‘Smallville’ there was another character they rushed this with named Jason in Season 4 and he was originally not supposed to be revealed as a villain until the end of the following season but they had to speed things up ‘cause Jensen Ackles got the role of Dean in ‘Supernatural.’
With Reign the writers have kicked things into overdrive and she has already gone from being a new character working at Cat Co. to being one of Kara’s closest friends in a short number of episodes and I am not sure how many months have gone by in the show’s timeline but it kinda feels like they have skipped ahead 6-12 months from the first episode to now so it is going to come as a shock to her when she finds out who she is and I still think it is going to have something to do with her daughter being killed and Supergirl not being able to save her which will result in Reign blaming Kara for her death and working out Kara is Supergirl.
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Dec 23, 2017 7:12:30 GMT
Post by lokisgodhi on Dec 23, 2017 7:12:30 GMT
As for Savage everything about him and that season was a fucking shambles, so less said about that pile of crap the better, but funny thing did you pick up on a continuity error from S1 in the last episode, unless I missed something where was Ray's brother? He has a twin right as he's the one who sold the Atom suit designed drones that they face in S1 in the kill the kid two part episode, why is Ray suddenly an only child? Did no one notice this anomaly? fucking Legends are incompetent
Did you forget? Barry and his 3rd season Flashpoint fiasco where he turned Diggle's baby from Sarah to John jr. Clearly he killed off Ray's brother, Sydney, too. Barry, you bastard! You killed Sydney!
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Dec 23, 2017 11:54:04 GMT
Post by dazz on Dec 23, 2017 11:54:04 GMT
As for Savage everything about him and that season was a fucking shambles, so less said about that pile of crap the better, but funny thing did you pick up on a continuity error from S1 in the last episode, unless I missed something where was Ray's brother? He has a twin right as he's the one who sold the Atom suit designed drones that they face in S1 in the kill the kid two part episode, why is Ray suddenly an only child? Did no one notice this anomaly? fucking Legends are incompetent
Did you forget? Barry and his 3rd season Flashpoint fiasco where he turned Diggle's baby from Sarah to John jr. Clearly he killed off Ray's brother, Sydney, too. Barry, you bastard! You killed Sydney!Funny how growing up as a lonely only child as opposed to with a sibling who shares somewhat a mutual interest in things didn't impact Ray in the slightest, I mean it's not like environment has any real influence on a child's development or anything, oh wait it does...morons.
I still laugh how Barry changes 1 event from 15 years ago that he then sets right and the world goes to shit, LOT fucked up over 5000+ years of world history as their first ever goal and they then continued doing so getting worse as they go and the world doesn't change in the slightesty.
Also shouldn't Ray have felt his personal history being altered they showed it happens with Stein so why is this not a thing for anyone else?
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