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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2017 14:25:22 GMT
Already?
Stat line:
9.1 PPG 6.6 APG 6.8 RPG
Lakers/NBA Fans - thoughts?
I get we're in the first week of November. Impressed or no?
The one stat there to me that is rather alarming is the Assist average. He's a wizard (or supposed to be) with the ball in his hands. That # seems a little low.
Also - what's with the rumblings in L.A. Kuzma should be starting over Ingram?
Seems like a lifetime ago the Lakers were building around D'LO, Randle and hopefully Ingram.
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Post by shadyvsesham on Nov 3, 2017 14:29:56 GMT
Kuzma.....he needs to work on his D. If this kid can get some defense, he can be a "stud." NOT star or a superstar, a guy who can get you 15-18 and 8 rebounds.
Kuzma SUCKS at defense, my god. But the dude can score, he needs to work on his D though.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2017 14:37:50 GMT
Kuzma.....he needs to work on his D. If this kid can get some defense, he can be a "stud." NOT star or a superstar, a guy who can get you 15-18 and 8 rebounds. Kuzma SUCKS at defense, my god. But the dude can score, he needs to work on his D though. what are you thoughts on Ingram. don't get to see many Lakers games over here. has he put a little muscle on or is he still a beanpole. kid's only 20. recently looked at D'Lo's stat line on the Nets (of course stats aren't everything) - nice to see. he's putting up 21.7 ppg. i love to see these guys redeem themselves a bit after they were labeled as 'busts' - kids 21. kind of why i'm hoping Okafor gets a chance somewhere to redeem himself.
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Post by shadyvsesham on Nov 3, 2017 15:17:17 GMT
Ok first, like you I dont watch a lot of Lakers either. I do fantasy basketball and Im sort of a dork with number crunching, Ill admit.
First, Lonzo is right to start at PG. Next, Lopez is right at C Ingram can be a SF or SG, Id put Pope at SG Ingram SF Kyle needs to start at PF. Julius Randle sucks, I mean he's ok
J. Randle: 11PPG, 5.4RB, 1.5 assists Lance: 10.5PPG, 7.5RB, 1 AST Kyle K: 15PPG, 4.8rb, 1.5 assists
So Randle is the guy out. Lance gives them more of a rebound presence, but Kyle more pop in the lineup. So it depends how YOUD go.....Ball and Lopez can both nab the rebound. I mean Kyle can too, he has a few double doubles, but they more need his shot. Hell you just said Lonzos stat line.
Ingram has 14.4 ppg, you said what Ball is doing (Not scoring much brother), Lopez has 15.5PPG, Pope 11.7PPG....this team I dont even think has a 20ppg scorer!
Id give Kyle more time, I think he can be the second leading scorer on this team and this team needs it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2017 15:21:31 GMT
Ok first, like you I dont watch a lot of Lakers either. I do fantasy basketball and Im sort of a dork with number crunching, Ill admit. First, Lonzo is right to start at PG. Next, Lopez is right at C Ingram can be a SF or SG, Id put Pope at SG Ingram SF Kyle needs to start at PF. Julius Randle sucks, I mean he's ok J. Randle: 11PPG, 5.4RB, 1.5 assists Lance: 10.5PPG, 7.5RB, 1 AST Kyle K: 15PPG, 4.8rb, 1.5 assists So Randle is the guy out. Lance gives them more of a rebound presence, but Kyle more pop in the lineup. So it depends how YOUD go.....Ball and Lopez can both nab the rebound. I mean Kyle can too, he has a few double doubles, but they more need his shot. Hell you just said Lonzos stat line. Ingram has 14.4 ppg, you said what Ball is doing (Not scoring much brother), Lopez has 15.5PPG, Pope 11.7PPG....this team I dont even think has a 20ppg scorer! Id give Kyle more time, I think he can be the second leading scorer on this team and this team needs it. interesting. always loved randle coming out of college. wonder if an Oak for Randle deal (along with mixing and matching additional assets - i.e. 2nd round picks, cash) could be worked out. i really do believe some players benefit from a change of scenery......and these kids are still young.
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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Nov 3, 2017 15:39:11 GMT
he's played pretty much in a 1-4 set his whole life as the main passer, ball handler.
the lakers o is more of a motion, high post where the pg isn't the focal point of the o.
give him a couple months and he'll be posting almost a triple double a night.
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Post by DSDSquared on Nov 3, 2017 15:39:53 GMT
I still laugh at all of the media guys who said Lonzo would easily win ROTY.
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Post by shadyvsesham on Nov 3, 2017 15:40:48 GMT
Ok first, like you I dont watch a lot of Lakers either. I do fantasy basketball and Im sort of a dork with number crunching, Ill admit. First, Lonzo is right to start at PG. Next, Lopez is right at C Ingram can be a SF or SG, Id put Pope at SG Ingram SF Kyle needs to start at PF. Julius Randle sucks, I mean he's ok J. Randle: 11PPG, 5.4RB, 1.5 assists Lance: 10.5PPG, 7.5RB, 1 AST Kyle K: 15PPG, 4.8rb, 1.5 assists So Randle is the guy out. Lance gives them more of a rebound presence, but Kyle more pop in the lineup. So it depends how YOUD go.....Ball and Lopez can both nab the rebound. I mean Kyle can too, he has a few double doubles, but they more need his shot. Hell you just said Lonzos stat line. Ingram has 14.4 ppg, you said what Ball is doing (Not scoring much brother), Lopez has 15.5PPG, Pope 11.7PPG....this team I dont even think has a 20ppg scorer! Id give Kyle more time, I think he can be the second leading scorer on this team and this team needs it. interesting. always loved randle coming out of college. wonder if an Oak for Randle deal (along with mixing and matching additional assets - i.e. 2nd round picks, cash) could be worked out. i really do believe some players benefit from a change of scenery......and these kids are still young. Im with you...I sadly think Randle is the guy out here. He can be an asset somewhere else, but atm this team has to have scoring...Kyle provides it. Other thing is..Kyle helps give Ingram rest, he is the only one of the 3 who can play SF. Deng and Brewster I dont trust, so really, they can slide Ingram out, or put Ingram at SG, Kyle at SF, and play Randle or Lance. IDK if they can even afford to lose Randle, because the depth chart does look like: Ball > Ennis (He aint doing jack) Pope > Clarkson (14.4PPG btw) Ingram > Kyle (Deng and Brewster are bench warmers) PF is weird....Randle/Kyle/Lance....all 3 C: Lopez > Zubac I think So idk if they can even trade him. Kyle they slide at 2 positions. But I meant by Randle out is: Youre coaching the Lakers...youre up by 3, they got the ball. Now we are only lookin at the PF slot here. Youre up by 3 and you know you need the rebound (Ask San Antonio fans how they felt when Pop took out Duncan and Allen hit a dagger). Well...youre putting in Lance. Now youre down by 3 and need a shot. Who you putting in? Kyle, he has the most pop. I still think they need Randle. They play a lot of Ball/Lopez/Ingram/Pope/Kyle/Randle/Lance. These 7 seem to get the most time. Lance is only PF Ball is only PG Ingram is SG/SF Pope is SG Kyle is SF/PF Lopez is C Randle is PF/C Those seem to be the top 7. Id go: Ball / Pope / Ingram / Lance / Lopez Kyle would be my 6th man, so I can give Lance and Ingram rest Randle my 7th to give Lopez/Lance/Kyle rest They got a nice young squad. They need time but theyre getting there.
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Post by shadyvsesham on Nov 3, 2017 15:41:55 GMT
I still laugh at all of the media guys who said Lonzo would easily win ROTY. I wont lie I thought he would...BUT NOT EASILY. It's gonna be a competition...
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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Nov 3, 2017 16:17:23 GMT
larry nance jr. broke his hand last night, huge blow for the lakers, and ball.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Nov 3, 2017 16:24:35 GMT
You can't hit the rookie wall less than ten games into a season. The rookie wall is about getting worn out by playing more games than you're used to. We knew he wasn't a great shooter coming into the season and he needs time to adjust to a whole new system, let alone a whole new level of competition. Whether he's as great as some expected to be remains to be seen but I think he'll be fine.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2017 17:03:54 GMT
You can't hit the rookie wall less than ten games into a season. The rookie wall is about getting worn out by playing more games than you're used to. We knew he wasn't a great shooter coming into the season and he needs time to adjust to a whole new system, let alone a whole new level of competition. Whether he's as great as some expected to be remains to be seen but I think he'll be fine. maybe mentally he's hit 'the rookie wall' ![](https://s26.postimg.org/gf93ycxax/giveup.gif) having a target on his back. getting punked by Beverly in Game 1 and putting up '0' points last night. dealing with the pressures of his foolish father, playing in L.A. - listening to Magic hype him all off-season. those 6.6 APG are rather alarming to me - that was supposed to be the kids strong point where he thrived - never mind his shooting.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2017 17:16:47 GMT
grave concerns.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2017 17:17:55 GMT
more grave concerns
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2017 17:31:43 GMT
larry nance jr. broke his hand last night, huge blow for the lakers, and ball. loving the fultz deal more and more with the celts. celts only get the lakers pick next year from the sixers if it falls in between 2-5. if the sixers keep it next year - celts get the sixers Sacremento pick the next year...... crafty to say the least. sly devils ![](https://s26.postimg.org/s8tffwvq1/cheers.gif)
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Post by shadyvsesham on Nov 3, 2017 17:47:42 GMT
Who is the other guy? I know that aint Max, who is he? I agree with him....did SAS say bust? GTFO here. IDK wtf people expected, I never saw Ball as a "big scorer." He isnt Westrook, Lillard, Harden, etc. I saw Ball as a Rondo/Kidd type. A like 11-12PPG, 12-14 Assists Per game and maybe 7-8 rebounds per game, and 1.3-1.5 Steals per game. He isnt gonna be a "big scorer." SAS was right about one thing, the team cant fn score. West is deep, LAL at best, AT BEST was gonna be an 8th seed. Hell most didnt think that. GSW/SAS/OKC/Hou/Min/LAC/Por/Mem That's how I always heard most people say, Pelicans sometimes got slipped in too, some did slip LAL in 8th, but the west is deep. It is why Id give Kyle more time, he can avg im about 18 a game, and for this team....that's huge (Sad right). LAL need scoring....badly. Ball isnt that, Ball is a guy who will pass the ball and give people open looks.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2017 17:51:50 GMT
Who is the other guy? I know that aint Max, who is he? I agree with him....did SAS say bust? GTFO here. IDK wtf people expected, I never saw Ball as a "big scorer." He isnt Westrook, Lillard, Harden, etc. I saw Ball as a Rondo/Kidd type. A like 11-12PPG, 12-14 Assists Per game and maybe 7-8 rebounds per game, and 1.3-1.5 Steals per game. He isnt gonna be a "big scorer." SAS was right about one thing, the team cant fn score. West is deep, LAL at best, AT BEST was gonna be an 8th seed. Hell most didnt think that. GSW/SAS/OKC/Hou/Min/LAC/Por/Mem That's how I always heard most people say, Pelicans sometimes got slipped in too, some did slip LAL in 8th, but the west is deep. It is why Id give Kyle more time, he can avg im about 18 a game, and for this team....that's huge (Sad right). LAL need scoring....badly. Ball isnt that, Ball is a guy who will pass the ball and give people open looks. if you mean Will Cain - he's one of the most intriguing, well spoken and entertaining people on ESPN. yes - he says stuff 35% of the time to draw heat and be controversial - as all of these guys do - but he's very well spoken and entertaining and passionate as hell. fun to watch just like Max.....
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Nov 3, 2017 19:54:20 GMT
You can't hit the rookie wall less than ten games into a season. The rookie wall is about getting worn out by playing more games than you're used to. We knew he wasn't a great shooter coming into the season and he needs time to adjust to a whole new system, let alone a whole new level of competition. Whether he's as great as some expected to be remains to be seen but I think he'll be fine. maybe mentally he's hit 'the rookie wall' ![](https://s26.postimg.org/gf93ycxax/giveup.gif) having a target on his back. getting punked by Beverly in Game 1 and putting up '0' points last night. dealing with the pressures of his foolish father, playing in L.A. - listening to Magic hype him all off-season. those 6.6 APG are rather alarming to me - that was supposed to be the kids strong point where he thrived - never mind his shooting. He needs the right talent around him for his assists to go up. What concerns me more than his assists total is what it says about his overall competitiveness. The eye test told me in college that he wasn't an alpha. He doesn't need to be an alpha with the right cast around him, but he needs to be more aggressive than he's been so far to be worthy of a #2 overall pick.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2017 20:01:34 GMT
maybe mentally he's hit 'the rookie wall' ![](https://s26.postimg.org/gf93ycxax/giveup.gif) having a target on his back. getting punked by Beverly in Game 1 and putting up '0' points last night. dealing with the pressures of his foolish father, playing in L.A. - listening to Magic hype him all off-season. those 6.6 APG are rather alarming to me - that was supposed to be the kids strong point where he thrived - never mind his shooting. He needs the right talent around him for his assists to go up. What concerns me more than his assists total is what it says about his overall competitiveness. The eye test told me in college that he wasn't an alpha. He doesn't need to be an alpha with the right cast around him, but he needs to be more aggressive than he's been so far to be worthy of a #2 overall pick. it's similar to my argument with Fultz. he doesn't need to be Batman on the Sixers. doesn't even need to be Robin. hell - he could be Wonder Woman for all I care - 3rd banana. leave being an alpha up to Embiid and Simmons. i look at Ball sometimes and I see Jahlil Okafor (who I'm hoping gets a 2nd chance in the NBA) Oak: ![](https://i.pinimg.com/736x/77/33/7c/77337c8e40897b479f26aee084d3c683--winnie-the-pooh-nursery-pooh-baby.jpg)
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Nov 3, 2017 20:06:40 GMT
He needs the right talent around him for his assists to go up. What concerns me more than his assists total is what it says about his overall competitiveness. The eye test told me in college that he wasn't an alpha. He doesn't need to be an alpha with the right cast around him, but he needs to be more aggressive than he's been so far to be worthy of a #2 overall pick. it's similar to my argument with Fultz. he doesn't need to be Batman on the Sixers. doesn't even need to be Robin. hell - he could be Wonder Woman for all I care - 3rd banana. leave being an alpha up to Embiid and Simmons. i look at Ball sometimes and I see Jahlil Okafor (who I'm hoping gets a 2nd chance in the NBA) Yeah and Fultz has a better supporting cast already, and oddly less hype to live up to despite being the #1 pick. I'm curious as to the conspiracy theory his father will concoct if Lonzo doesn't pan out. Still, I'm not going to bury the guy after a handful of games. Just like I'm not giving up on Fultz yet.
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