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Post by maya55555 on Nov 4, 2017 17:44:12 GMT
Opinions?
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Post by koskiewicz on Nov 4, 2017 18:08:36 GMT
...why not? And which religion if you think they should not be separated...  |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Nov 4, 2017 18:23:09 GMT
I'm perfectly fine with it.
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Post by maya55555 on Nov 4, 2017 18:26:52 GMT
koskiewicz
That is not the point of my question, as I did not have any particular religion in mind for the survey.
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Post by koskiewicz on Nov 4, 2017 18:49:49 GMT
...then you need to define religion...!
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Post by shadrack on Nov 4, 2017 19:08:00 GMT
koskiewicz
That is not the point of my question, as I did not have any particular religion in mind for the survey. Perhaps not, but it is a point worth making. Often, those opposed to the separation assume the religion in question is their own, and it turns out they have a very different opinion on the matter if it isn't. |
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Post by maya55555 on Nov 4, 2017 19:31:21 GMT
There was not any religion specifically.
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Post by thorshairspray on Nov 4, 2017 20:50:43 GMT
Religion can and will oppress the rights of people if allowed authority.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2017 20:54:11 GMT
I'm in favour of it.
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Post by Hairynosedwombat on Nov 4, 2017 23:31:31 GMT
Yes.
Except for Judaism. They have been persecuted for 2,000 years so need a state of their own to protect themselves from the world. Nobody protected them when it was needed, so they have to protect themselves.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Nov 4, 2017 23:37:03 GMT
Yes. Except for Judaism. They have been persecuted for 2,000 years so need a state of their own to protect themselves from the world. Nobody protected them when it was needed, so they have to protect themselves. Do you mean that seriously? |
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Post by Hairynosedwombat on Nov 4, 2017 23:58:06 GMT
Yes. Except for Judaism. They have been persecuted for 2,000 years so need a state of their own to protect themselves from the world. Nobody protected them when it was needed, so they have to protect themselves. Do you mean that seriously? Irony is lost on a message board. We praise separation of church and state at home while protecting a country that is supposedly democratic but is for just one religion, and we damn some of its neighbours for doing similar. Middle east countries which attempted to reduce the influence of Islam in the body politic include Afghanistan (the US funded Islamic fundamentalists against its first progressive government), Saddam Husseins Iraq, Gadaffis Libya, Assads Syria. See a pattern here? Tunisia is fighting against a hostile takeover by fundamentalists while we sit back ignoring them. IMO real democracy requires a separation because it then permits a plurality of views. Even the USA isn't immune because it favours one or two religions. |
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Post by thorshairspray on Nov 5, 2017 6:47:14 GMT
Yes. Except for Judaism. They have been persecuted for 2,000 years so need a state of their own to protect themselves from the world. Nobody protected them when it was needed, so they have to protect themselves. So why can't you have an Israeli secular democracy? |
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Post by FridayOnElmStreet on Nov 5, 2017 7:31:16 GMT
YES
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Post by The Lost One on Nov 5, 2017 9:00:31 GMT
I think it's a bit odd to give an option for "I never attend religious services". You could attend church dutifully every Sunday but think it should not be linked with the state.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Nov 5, 2017 9:09:09 GMT
I think it's a bit odd to give an option for "I never attend religious services". You could attend church dutifully every Sunday but think it should not be linked with the state. She discussed it with me before starting the thread, so I think I might know why she offered it as an option. Hopefully all will be revealed before the thread is finished. |
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Post by Hairynosedwombat on Nov 5, 2017 9:48:06 GMT
Yes. Except for Judaism. They have been persecuted for 2,000 years so need a state of their own to protect themselves from the world. Nobody protected them when it was needed, so they have to protect themselves. So why can't you have an Israeli secular democracy? Because the whole idea of the modern state of Israel is a bolt-hole for all the Jews in the world. A Jew from Wagga Wagga or Duluth, if they want to migrate to Israel has more rights in the West Bank than an Arab whose family have lived in Palestine for generations. |
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Post by thorshairspray on Nov 5, 2017 9:58:00 GMT
So why can't you have an Israeli secular democracy? Because the whole idea of the modern state of Israel is a bolt-hole for all the Jews in the world. A Jew from Wagga Wagga or Duluth, if they want to migrate to Israel has more rights in the West Bank than an Arab whose family have lived in Palestine for generations. I know, that doesn't mean Israel needs to be a theocracy. |
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Post by Arlon10 on Nov 5, 2017 11:40:42 GMT
My opinions ...
Government should not force any payments to any religious organizations through taxes or other forceful money collection methods.
Government should not make any rules simply because they are religious rules.
Government should never reject a rule simply because it is a religious rule.
Government may however make rules that happen also to be religious if there appear benefits to society on Earth.
What happens anyway ...
Government collects taxes to hand out to godless pigs.
Government rejects truth simply because it is religious.
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Post by gadreel on Nov 6, 2017 18:07:22 GMT
Religion has no part interfering in the state, while I support organised religion I also think religion is highly personal and organised religion should be about guiding not dictating.
In any case in modern society (as has been hinted) which religion gets chosen as the state religion?
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