A Week Into Ragnarok, How Has It Affected JL?

And given that 'Justice League' doesn't seem to be getting particularly great reaction, it's quite possible that it will lose out to 'Coco'.

I liked the angle Joss was going for: a sort of immature teenager. But he took it a little too literally. 

I agree. I don't how taking it too literally. I'd have to give it another rewatch as soon as I have the time to consider the point.

Not necessarily. After all, every form of entertainment comes with expectations. And though my use of perfection was hyperbole, it still stands that it did not meet a lot of people's expectations. Whether they expected perfection or not. 

Besides, it's not like people's complaints were simply, "It wasn't perfect." Many of them, along with myself, did and still do have legitimate issues with certain aspects of the movie that go beyond mere shortcomings of perfection. 

Not if you're using precedence. Marvel had made many really good and incredibly made movies up to that point, Joss Whedon himself included. It's perfectly reasonable to expect their latest offerings to be as good, too. 

It's not anybody's fault. There's no blame here. The movie disappointed a lot of people. It's ok. It doesn't mean the movie sucked, and it doesn't mean audiences have unreasonable expectations. 

It absolutely did meet those expectations for many others. But not for everyone. And that's ok. My personal disappointment with the film does not impact your satisfaction with the film.



You don't have to argue that. The film is most definitely well crafted. That's not up for debate here. As I've said many times, I don't think, and even during my initial disappointment thought, it was a bad film.



As I said: precedence. Marvel had delivered so much more than a just "a competent film" many times, especially with it's original Avengers which was a spectacular achievement in film making and world building. It's as a natural reaction as not expecting anything at all.

I'm not setting myself up for disappointment. I've had incredibly high expectations for movies and have had them met. At the same time, I've had those expectations not met at all. I've also had very low expectations and been even more disappointed. But I've also had very low expectations and been pleasantly surprised. I've had no expectations and been disappointed and also blown away.

I have different expectations for different movies. It's ok to do so.



That's great if that works for you. My only goal is to watch the movie. There's nothing wrong with not enjoying it.



Of course, we would all like to be able to say that every time we've paid to see a movie. It doesn't always work out that way. And that's ok.

I want to make a few things very clear because they seem to be getting lost somewhere:


1) I don't think AOU is a bad movie. I like it. A lot. I enjoy it more than I did after my first initial disappointment.

2) Even if I didn't, that's ok. 

3) I don't think you're wrong for enjoying it the very first time either. 

Why? Even if I hated it, how would that impact me so much that you would hate to be me?

All I'm saying is, it's ok to not like a movie.

That means you'd retain the feeling of enjoying them (an impossibility if you were someone who did). But after my initial disappointment, it had literally no adverse affects on me. I still went to see the following movie. Again, with lofty expectations. And had them beautifully met.



Ahh, but that implies a blind loyalty to a genre. Which I don't have. I love horror movies, but have been disappointed by many. I love comedies, but I've seen many duds there too. I don't like Animal House (one of the most celebrated comedies of all time) in the least bit.

Spoiled would be saying it's not good enough for anyone. Or that everyone should enjoy it at the level I did.

Again, it's perfectly fine if you liked it the first time around. I'm very glad you did; I did not. That's fine.

That's cool if you don't expect those things. I do. Nothing wrong with that. I think that's what keeps getting lost. It's ok for me. You don't have to do things the way I do. I don't want you to. Nor do I think there's anything wrong with the way you do things.



That's fine if that's how I felt. I didn't tell anyone they shouldn't like it based on my own preference.I was merely disappointed. It happens. I don't have to love everything everyone else does. Also, don't presume to say "all standards." Some might consider a spicier barbecue to be the pinnacle of flavors. Others would prefer a smokier flavor. That doesn't make people spoiled.

But in going with your analogy, guess what? I enjoyed the BBQ as I had more pieces. There's nothing wrong with not liking something immediately. It's ok. That's why we have the phrase "It grows on you." Heck, Banner used it in the first Avengers.



No. That is a terrible attitude. That is the equivalent of me telling you to hate something you like. Never presume to tell others how to feel about anything. Even something you feel is flawless.



Then you fail to understand people have their own feelings about what they enjoy. Again, I have not once said or even implied it's wrong to enjoy AOU the first time around. I think it's great you did. Heck, we even agree on the film's high quality. I do think it's very well made with some great character moments.

The only issue here is I didn't like it as much as you did the very first time. But there is absolutely nothing at all wrong with that.

I would dig it very much if Grey Hulk showed up. It would add a new dynamic to not just Banner but to his interaction with the rest of the Avengers.

Though to be honest, I'd miss the green Goliath. I feel Marvel's Hulk is the first live action movie to really nail the green look. Aesthetically, I've always found green Hulk to be more pleasing to the nature of comic books.