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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2017 4:21:28 GMT
Where's DC-Fan been? He disappeared. Busy rehearsing his spin on how Justice League is somehow perfect. I've been waiting all day for him to post...
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Post by sdrew13163 on Nov 16, 2017 4:36:17 GMT
But the box office legs for WW were some of the best in recent memory. That was the amount of women seeing it who normally don't see these films. Yes that counts, and it's fair to count it, but it's not a reflection of the quality of the film vs the quality of other genre films. It's a reflection of it's social significance. It has a 7.6 on IMDb, a 76 on Metacritic, an "A" Cinemascore, and a 90% Google user rating. That's pretty good quality reviews from critics and audience members alike.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 16, 2017 4:55:40 GMT
That was the amount of women seeing it who normally don't see these films. Yes that counts, and it's fair to count it, but it's not a reflection of the quality of the film vs the quality of other genre films. It's a reflection of it's social significance. It has a 7.6 on IMDb, a 76 on Metacritic, an "A" Cinemascore, and a 90% Google user rating. That's pretty good quality reviews from critics and audience members alike. It is, I agree, and it is good, and those numbers are reasonable. I would however submit that it does benefit at least slightly from the factor that a certain % were going to overvalue it for what they perceived it meant. I don't think those number are far off a true accounting of the film, but if that were Captain America 1, with the same exact story surrounding him, the scores are lower and I think you would agree to that.
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Post by Larcen26 on Nov 16, 2017 14:22:00 GMT
I disagree. Got better the second time for me because I noticed a few things that made up for flaws I thought it had initially. Liked it even more the third time. Well that's not really what many are saying, and doesn't fit with the idea that it really is just the slightly less interesting baby of First Avenger and Thor 1, and I would be happy to hear how you think it's better than either of those films, both of which I consider to be quite good. But regardless, rewatches couldn't possibly save the fact wonder woman herself doesn't actually accomplish anything. She has this idea that Ares must exist simply because war does and eventually gives up on finding him. That's the film. And Indiana Jones is completely inconsequential to the entirety of Raiders...
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 16, 2017 14:31:51 GMT
Well that's not really what many are saying, and doesn't fit with the idea that it really is just the slightly less interesting baby of First Avenger and Thor 1, and I would be happy to hear how you think it's better than either of those films, both of which I consider to be quite good. But regardless, rewatches couldn't possibly save the fact wonder woman herself doesn't actually accomplish anything. She has this idea that Ares must exist simply because war does and eventually gives up on finding him. That's the film. And Indiana Jones is completely inconsequential to the entirety of Raiders... Not really, without him they'd never have found Marion and without him they'd never have found the real location of the Well of Souls.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 16, 2017 14:42:45 GMT
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 16, 2017 14:46:45 GMT
None of us WANT CBMs to be bad, no matter who makes them. That brings down the genre as a whole, like what Batman and Robin did for a few years. I wish that were true. But its my experience that there are in fact quite a few people who WANT the DCEU to fail so they can point fingers and laugh and take credit for MCU's success (even though they had nothing to do with said success other than going to see the movie, lol).
I for one have seen both studios movies in theatres, enjoyed them all, and am in my full glory as a nerd, as I honestly believe that in time we'll come to think of this era as the golden age of comic book movies.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 16, 2017 14:48:13 GMT
Well the Usual Suspects will be celebrating this one. Tell me about it. Usual suspects... I like that! LOL
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 16, 2017 14:51:22 GMT
Well that's not really what many are saying, and doesn't fit with the idea that it really is just the slightly less interesting baby of First Avenger and Thor 1, and I would be happy to hear how you think it's better than either of those films, both of which I consider to be quite good. But regardless, rewatches couldn't possibly save the fact wonder woman herself doesn't actually accomplish anything. She has this idea that Ares must exist simply because war does and eventually gives up on finding him. That's the film. And Indiana Jones is completely inconsequential to the entirety of Raiders... Ahhhhhhhh but he actually found the arc using skill etc. Diana was just walking around with no clue until she gave up. Ares could have been in Germany or Japan or long dead for all she knew.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 16, 2017 14:56:05 GMT
Of course. And everybody wants JL to be fantastic and to have everything already ironed out. But it isn't and they aren't...so this movie shows some lumps. But even the most critical of reviews says that the best part of the film are the character moments, which is where the DCEU always failed and has always been the cornerstone for the success of the MCU. I'll take a lackluster movie with a lot of promise for the future over BvS any day. I won't be participating in that future. Being constantly harassed by DC trolls has convinced me to boycott all further DCEU films. BEING harassed? Not DOING any of the harassing? LMAO! Ah, that's my boy Weird...
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 16, 2017 14:57:00 GMT
I won't be participating in that future. Being constantly harassed by DC trolls has convinced me to boycott all further DCEU films. changing your story per the hour, eh? But any reason why you leave for good is good enough for me. Don't let the door butthurt you on your way out. OH SHIT!!! NO YOU DIDNT!!!!
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 16, 2017 15:00:02 GMT
It sounds pretty awful to me. Of course it does. With YOUR ears anything DCEU sounds like shit. You're the problem.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 16, 2017 15:01:06 GMT
I thought it was just decent on first viewing. I re-watched it a few nights ago and loved it. Ok, that's cool. It's just not the general feedback. Also i'll still point out, WW doesn't do anything. She tries to find ares on a hunch and gives up. That was the film. Methinks this general feedback you speak of is in your brain.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Nov 16, 2017 15:23:31 GMT
Ok, that's cool. It's just not the general feedback. Also i'll still point out, WW doesn't do anything. She tries to find ares on a hunch and gives up. That was the film. Methinks this general feedback you speak of is in your brain. I find arf arf to be the nastiest of the MCU trolls, this slob represents the banality of evil as much as the raptor represents the evil of banality. I smelled arf arf's foul stench when he came on the Star wars board, and it is hard to make it un-smelled ever since.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2017 15:31:15 GMT
It sounds pretty awful to me. Of course it does. With YOUR ears anything DCEU sounds like shit. You're the problem. Not liking bad movies really isn't a problem. If anything, DC zealots are causing the problems by paying multiple times to watch this shit. They are sending WB the message that they can get away with anything.......so that is what they are doing.
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Post by Larcen26 on Nov 16, 2017 15:31:38 GMT
And Indiana Jones is completely inconsequential to the entirety of Raiders... Not really, without him they'd never have found Marion and without him they'd never have found the real location of the Well of Souls. The Nazi's didn't follow Indy to Marian, they found her on their own...they just happened to arrive at the same time.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 16, 2017 15:37:14 GMT
Not really, without him they'd never have found Marion and without him they'd never have found the real location of the Well of Souls. The Nazi's didn't follow Indy to Marian, they found her on their own...they just happened to arrive at the same time. No, they knew to follow him. Remember that Nazi guy tailing Indy on the plane?
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Post by Larcen26 on Nov 16, 2017 15:37:31 GMT
And Indiana Jones is completely inconsequential to the entirety of Raiders... Ahhhhhhhh but he actually found the arc using skill etc. Diana was just walking around with no clue until she gave up. Ares could have been in Germany or Japan or long dead for all she knew. He found the arc...which meant nothing... Because if Indy was never involved, the Nazi's and Beloch would gotten the real medallion, would have found the arc sooner, secretly sailed to the island, opened it and all died. Leaving the US government to come in afterwards since they were monitoring the situation, box up the Arc and leave it in a warehouse. The hero lucking into the story isn't new, nor does it instantly make it a lesser story.
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Post by Larcen26 on Nov 16, 2017 15:41:00 GMT
The Nazi's didn't follow Indy to Marian, they found her on their own...they just happened to arrive at the same time. No, they knew to follow him. Remember that Nazi guy tailing Indy on the plane? They followed him because the government talked to him. When Toht came into the bar, he already knew all about Marian, the amulet and everything, and only arrived minutes after Indy. No interrogation of Indy, no wiretapping or bugging. They knew about Abner Ravenwood and were sent to get the amulet. Beloch knew all the same stuff as Indy and sent them. And even if you are right, that makes the one and only thing Indy did to impact his entire movie, was know where Marian was.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 16, 2017 15:43:53 GMT
No, they knew to follow him. Remember that Nazi guy tailing Indy on the plane? They followed him because the government talked to him. When Toht came into the bar, he already knew all about Marian, the amulet and everything, and only arrived minutes after Indy. No interrogation of Indy, no wiretapping or bugging. They knew about Abner Ravenwood and were sent to get the amulet. Beloch knew all the same stuff as Indy and sent them. Well, I do agree with you overall that Indy wasn't terribly important to the plot. I just don't think he was COMPLETELY useless.
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