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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 16, 2017 4:59:34 GMT
ArArArchStanton your OP was referring to metacritic right? Well in that case Batman Begins - 70 The Dark Knight - 82 The Dark Knight Rises - 78 Captain America - 66 Winter Solider - 70 Civil War - 75 76 vs 70 = Batman wins Or then there's Rotten Tomatoes Average score Batman Begins - 7.7 The Dark Knight - 8.6 The Dark Knight Rises - 8.0 Captain America - 7.0 Winter Soldier - 7.6 Civil War - 7.6 8.1 vs 7.4 = Batman wins IMDb user score Batman Begins - 8.3 The Dark Knight - 9.0 The Dark Knight Rises - 8.5 Captain America - 6.9 Winter Soldier - 7.8 Civil War - 7.9 8.6 vs 7.5 = Batman wins Rotten Tomatoes percentage scores, user scores, Google user scores, Metacritic user scores etc. No matter how you break it down The Dark Knight trilogy always comes out on top. It's on a whole other level from Captain America. Which is good, easily the best MCU trilogy but it doesn't compare. Oh come on, there's no way TDKR is better than Civil War.
You aren't really saying that are you?
It's not on a whole other level. Let's be reasonable.
LOL!!! Arf Arf calling for "Let's be reasonable" when Arf Arf is so biased that he's trying to claim Civil War is better than TDKR and the Cap trilogy is better than The Dark Knight trilogy even though every major rating system rates TDKR better than Civil War and rates The Dark Knight trilogy better than the Cap trilogy.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Nov 16, 2017 5:02:31 GMT
Aren't there three shitty Punisher movies? Yes, I've seen all 3 Punisher movies: The Punisher (1989), The Punisher (2004), and Punisher: War Zone. Sorry to hear that! I haven't seen any of them. I gave the TV show a chance, but I hated it.
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Post by brownstones on Nov 16, 2017 6:05:05 GMT
ArArArchStanton The first movie was too weak for it to be considered better. Besides your OP was referring to metacritic right? Well in that case Batman Begins - 70 The Dark Knight - 82 The Dark Knight Rises - 78 Captain America - 66 Winter Solider - 70 Civil War - 75 76 vs 70 = Batman wins Or then there's Rotten Tomatoes Average score Batman Begins - 7.7 The Dark Knight - 8.6 The Dark Knight Rises - 8.0 Captain America - 7.0 Winter Soldier - 7.6 Civil War - 7.6 8.1 vs 7.4 = Batman wins IMDb user score Batman Begins - 8.3 The Dark Knight - 9.0 The Dark Knight Rises - 8.5 Captain America - 6.9 Winter Soldier - 7.8 Civil War - 7.9 8.6 vs 7.5 = Batman wins Rotten Tomatoes percentage scores, user scores, Google user scores, Metacritic user scores etc. No matter how you break it down The Dark Knight trilogy always comes out on top. It's on a whole other level from Captain America. Which is good, easily the best MCU trilogy but it doesn't compare. Yeah, but you're ignoring that the Nolan movies scores were artificially inflated from Dark Knight onwards due to Heath Ledger dying. i don't know why you keep using the death of heath ledger as the main reason for TDKs success, sound a bit disgusting. and TDKR is only inflated probably because of the 1-2 hit of Inception and TDK, combined with people wanting to have loved it; similar to Indiana Jones4 and Episode I, the desire to love it was far too great for people to accept the flaws initially.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Nov 16, 2017 6:24:18 GMT
Clearly the worst: Marvel's The Punisher. Now the show is following suite.
I think the second worst will be the Guardians films, pure undiluted raccoon turds.
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Post by dazz on Nov 16, 2017 8:06:44 GMT
What does the RT score even equate to really, MOS has a "rotten" rating but if you look at it's score in terms of what it was judged on average it's above 60, all that actually meant is no one hated it and most people actually liked it.
I wish people would stop using the RT % as some undeniable proof because it's not and anyone with half a brain could see that, a film can get a 100% on RT but only be graded as a 6/10, so whilst the % implies it's an all time great the actually grade says it's an ok-good film and that's it, people need to get their heads out of RT's arse crack ffs.
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Post by miike80 on Nov 16, 2017 9:03:26 GMT
ArArArchStanton Well my opinion doesn't really matter. The Dark Knight Rises has superior reviews to Civil War on metacritic and on Rotten Tomatoes. A total of 1.26 million people got The Dark Knight Rises as #64 on the Top 250 on IMDB meanwhile 450,000 people have not put Civil War in the Top 250. 94% of Google Users liked The Dark Knight Rises. Civil War has a lesser 92%. So yeah, the majority consider The Dark Knight Rises better than Civil War. Do I think it's better? Yes. Is it on another level from it? No. Is the whole TDK trilogy on another level from the Captain America trilogy? Definitely. Don't try to convince him, i showed him an article whare Mickey Rourke was saying that Whiplash was butchered and he was not happy at all with what was left in the movie and he said the probably meant he was not 100% satisfied with his performance, like he played Whiplash to get major awards and he was a little let down by his performance
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Post by merh on Nov 16, 2017 9:24:31 GMT
Ok this one may have been a little more baity, but the others weren't!!!!
Ya know though, if the film was an 80 I couldn't be crushing it, so it's really the films fault isn't it?
Yes, it doesn't have great reviews just like many other movies as well over the decades, it happens. We had better Batman movies and now we have weaker ones. We had weaker Captain America movies and now we have better ones. In the future that will probably reverse again. Maybe the Synder trilogy is one of the weaker comic trilogies but The Dark Knight trilogy is Undisputed the best so it all balances out in the end. Nolan drives me crazy. I don't know how people see his Batmovies as so perfect. He makes characters who change on his whim to finish his movie. Joker is JD from Heathers. Watch it. Joker is convinced people are rotten at the core & does all his crap to prove it. JD believes the only place all the social groups can get along is heaven so he does all his stuff, plot to blow up the school, to prove his point. The fact Joker has no past easily goes along with JD seemingly blowing up at the end. Joker's scars are a sad variation on Kakihara (Tadanobu Asano-Hogun in Thor) from Ichi the Killer. But what really galls me is Nolan is held up as being so realistic. Really? It's been awhile since I watched it so I've forgotten many of the issues, but we get this speech about how Gordon wants to walk the straight & narrow so as not to give Joker wiggle room, yet he lets a vigilante in to beat the prisoner up? What happened to not giving Joker room to get a mistrial? And you know what? I look at mug shots every day at work. I've seen smudged makeup on gals from crying, but I have never seen any suspect left in any form of Halloween style make-up for the mug shot picture. Of course they can't get an ID on the guy. I get a dozen BOLOs a day, usually grainy security footage. No. So we are stuck in some strange reality where some billionaire can play vigilante? At least the MCU is firmly grounded in fantasy. Tony Stark exists in a world similar to ours, but one which holds fantasy elements like Norse Gods walking the earth & where radiation turns scientists into giant green rage monsters. First Avenger is a great film. I grew up hearing WWII stories since that was my parents' childhood, the era of their fond memories & the film captures that hope & faith of young men lying about their age to join the army to fight Nazis. Why is DC fighting to change Supes? He SHOULD be a big blue & red clad boy scout like Cap. He is a child of the same era. We shouldn't see his parents telling him to be selfish. He is, as the most famous actor to play the role said, a friend. He doesn't see himself as a god, but as a citizen of the planet he grew up on & he wants to do good. Why should that be so hard? Dude, I would put the first 3 Superman higher than Nolan's trilogy. The 3rd movie? I don't even remember, but the first 2 were a better embodiment of the character. Burton's 2 Batmovies are far superior to Nolan's And the Crow by itself is better than any superhero movie Nolan has had his hands on.
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Post by sostie on Nov 16, 2017 9:29:42 GMT
Aren't there three shitty Punisher movies? Nah, only the first is shitty The first The Crow film is pretty underwhelming and I heard the sequels are no better.
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Post by merh on Nov 16, 2017 9:37:32 GMT
Aren't there three shitty Punisher movies? Nah, only the first is shitty The first The Crow film is pretty underwhelming and I heard the sequels are no better. Wow. That film is amazing.
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Post by miike80 on Nov 16, 2017 9:40:17 GMT
Nah, only the first is shitty The first The Crow film is pretty underwhelming and I heard the sequels are no better. Wow. That film is amazing. i also think it's better than most superhero movies. the sequels are garbage, of course
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Post by sostie on Nov 16, 2017 9:47:55 GMT
Nah, only the first is shitty The first The Crow film is pretty underwhelming and I heard the sequels are no better. Wow. That film is amazing. Yeah, a lot of people seem to be wowed by it. IMO a very overrated film.
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Post by merh on Nov 16, 2017 10:06:57 GMT
Wow. That film is amazing. Yeah, a lot of people seem to be wowed by it. IMO a very overrated film. It's like Princess Bride. So many quotable lines. Victims, aren't we all? It created it's mood & stayed there. It's very dark, a soul returning a year after his brutal murder to avenge himself but even more his bride to be without getting into all the moody bat angst.
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Post by chasallnut on Nov 16, 2017 10:54:34 GMT
I was trying to think of a comic book trilogy that has an Average RT rating below 50. I just looked up the Blade series and it actually stoops that low with the third getting a 25 and the first two in the 50's. Ghost Rider was awful but only has 2 films. I suppose we could count that though. Oh and there are only 2 fantastic four films, but those are well below 50 also. Maybe Daredevil and Elektra? Again only two films but that's relevant.
Obviously TDK series, Cap, Iron Man, Thor, and Avengers are well above 70.
Can you think of any others? Let's be honest. Cap1 is dreadful and CW is really an Avengers movie, and not a very good one. IM2 and 3 are pretty dire, Thor 1 and 2, well least said soonest mended and all. And I will mention Avengers as CW is an Avengers movie, AOU was awful. But my critical view doesn't count on the RT ratings and frankly I don't give a toss because if I hate a film or enjoy it, it isn't because RT have told me to. I have never looked at the RT website and have no intention of doing so. I will say it as I see it. Incidentally, if you think I am hating on MCU then you would be wrong. I loved The Avengers and Iron Man. Thor: Ragnarok was a fun ride, even though it isn't the "Citizen Kane" you make out out to be.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 16, 2017 10:56:29 GMT
Aren't there three shitty Punisher movies? Nah, only the first is shitty I've seen all 3 Punisher movies and 3 were shitty.
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Post by chasallnut on Nov 16, 2017 10:58:27 GMT
ArArArchStanton The first movie was too weak for it to be considered better. Besides your OP was referring to metacritic right? Well in that case Batman Begins - 70 The Dark Knight - 82 The Dark Knight Rises - 78 Captain America - 66 Winter Solider - 70 Civil War - 75 76 vs 70 = Batman wins Or then there's Rotten Tomatoes Average score Batman Begins - 7.7 The Dark Knight - 8.6 The Dark Knight Rises - 8.0 Captain America - 7.0 Winter Soldier - 7.6 Civil War - 7.6 8.1 vs 7.4 = Batman wins IMDb user score Batman Begins - 8.3 The Dark Knight - 9.0 The Dark Knight Rises - 8.5 Captain America - 6.9 Winter Soldier - 7.8 Civil War - 7.9 8.6 vs 7.5 = Batman wins Rotten Tomatoes percentage scores, user scores, Google user scores, Metacritic user scores etc. No matter how you break it down The Dark Knight trilogy always comes out on top. It's on a whole other level from Captain America. Which is good, easily the best MCU trilogy but it doesn't compare. Yeah, but you're ignoring that the Nolan movies scores were artificially inflated from Dark Knight onwards due to Heath Ledger dying.
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Post by sostie on Nov 16, 2017 11:46:29 GMT
Nah, only the first is shitty I've seen all 3 Punisher movies and 3 were shitty. Have you really? It's been proven you comment on Marvel films you haven't seen in the past. Why should we believe you now?
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Nov 16, 2017 13:03:57 GMT
ArArArchStanton The first movie was too weak for it to be considered better. Besides your OP was referring to metacritic right? Well in that case Batman Begins - 70 The Dark Knight - 82 The Dark Knight Rises - 78 Captain America - 66 Winter Solider - 70 Civil War - 75 76 vs 70 = Batman wins Or then there's Rotten Tomatoes Average score Batman Begins - 7.7 The Dark Knight - 8.6 The Dark Knight Rises - 8.0 Captain America - 7.0 Winter Soldier - 7.6 Civil War - 7.6 8.1 vs 7.4 = Batman wins IMDb user score Batman Begins - 8.3 The Dark Knight - 9.0 The Dark Knight Rises - 8.5 Captain America - 6.9 Winter Soldier - 7.8 Civil War - 7.9 8.6 vs 7.5 = Batman wins Rotten Tomatoes percentage scores, user scores, Google user scores, Metacritic user scores etc. No matter how you break it down The Dark Knight trilogy always comes out on top. It's on a whole other level from Captain America. Which is good, easily the best MCU trilogy but it doesn't compare. ArArArchStanton
^ aside from these numbers and ratings let's assess this from another perspective.
1. The Nolan films are all in the all poular IMDb 250 charts (TDK infamously sitting on 4); Cap-trilogy? Nada - same goes for MCU in general. www.imdb.com/chart/top
2. But those are just the lowbrow masses, Nolanite and DC fanboys, you say? Fair enough, let's check the professional ratings from the professional sites. In fact I could only find one that even considered the Cap trilogy as Top 20 worthy, and still here Nolan TDK-trilogy is far ahead. In all the others Cap is not even mentioned until I gave up: www.empireonline.com/movies/features/trilogy/ www.thetoptens.com/greatest-movie-trilogies/
www.mtv.com/news/2769845/best-movie-trilogies/
www.ranker.com/crowdranked-list/5-star-movie-franchises screenrant.com/best-film-movie-trilogies-ever-all-time/
Thus, claim dismissed as utterly absurd.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 16, 2017 13:09:18 GMT
i don't know why you keep using the death of heath ledger as the main reason for TDKs success, Because it's true. After that, the same obsessed Nolanites went back and upvoted Batman Begins to get all the Dark Knight movies onto IMDB's "top" lists out of some deranged obsession with Nolan. That's why the movies are on those lists. Same with those critics sites Tristan noted, it was considered "Bad taste" not to gush over the film an by extension the whole trilogy. And that desire to love it came mainly from Ledger's passing. That and at the time Nolan had no competition. Put the Dark Knight movies out in today's environment, thanks to the MCU making CBMs more accepted mainstream without having to be "grounded", and they wouldn't be as well received.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2017 13:13:11 GMT
What does the RT score even equate to really, MOS has a "rotten" rating but if you look at it's score in terms of what it was judged on average it's above 60, all that actually meant is no one hated it and most people actually liked it. I wish people would stop using the RT % as some undeniable proof because it's not and anyone with half a brain could see that, a film can get a 100% on RT but only be graded as a 6/10, so whilst the % implies it's an all time great the actually grade says it's an ok-good film and that's it, people need to get their heads out of RT's arse crack ffs. But how else are idiots supposed to argue in regards to how good a movie is without it? I mean RT makes it clear that movie critics opinions have to be taken as facts right? I mean how else am I supposed to form an intelligent opinion in regards to whether or not a film is good without knowing if it's certified fresh?! HOW I ASK YOU HOW?!
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Post by RedDeadFallout on Nov 16, 2017 13:24:18 GMT
No Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles is. Now that will be enough bait topics for one day. The first TMNT movie was great though, none of Snyder's are.
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