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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 16, 2017 18:42:09 GMT
Drax: People usually want cute pets. Why would Ego want such a hideous one? Mantis: I am hideous? Drax: You are horrifying to look at. Yes. Bu-But that's a good thing. Mantis: Oh? Drax: When you're ugly, and someone loves you, you know they love you for who you are... Beautiful people never know who to trust. Mantis: Well, then I'm certainly grateful to be ugly. I'll take that over "Martha". A weaker version of Storm-Nightcrawler dialogue in X2. Eh, it wasn't as heavy-handed as the X-Version. They had to go all religious nut with Nightcrawler for that "Looks at all my sins" thing, when in truth Nightcrawler has never been that religiously driven in the comics.
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Post by charzhino on Nov 16, 2017 18:50:49 GMT
A weaker version of Storm-Nightcrawler dialogue in X2. Eh, it wasn't as heavy-handed as the X-Version. They had to go all religious nut with Nightcrawler for that "Looks at all my sins" thing, when in truth Nightcrawler has never been that religiously driven in the comics. He is still shown as a devout person precisely because of his devil like appearance, which is the beauty and irony of that exchange, not "heavy handed". It shows how, like in Gotg2 that appearance are only superficial.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 16, 2017 18:54:35 GMT
He is still shown as a devout person precisely because of his devil like appearance, It was NEVER that extreme in the comics. They totally forgot about his swashbuckler characterization. Which just as much showed he didn't let his appearance get to him. Yes, but adding the religious thing was going over-board. Especially if you knew about his comic characterization. The religious thing just made it more like "See how SERIOUS we are? We're using religion!"
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Post by scabab on Nov 16, 2017 19:16:49 GMT
Because you have no idea how that movie would be seen as today. I know that with proper competition the movies wouldn't have been as well received. You don't know that at all. It had it's own competition with Spider-man and X-men movies that were coming out at the time, amongst others. web.archive.org/web/20070313084246/http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0372784/Whereas Batman Begins IMDb score has remained the exact same since March 2007. Other superhero movies which were also considered the best at the time have decreased, Spider-man 2 going from 7.8 to a 7.3 and X-men 2 going from 7.8 TO 7.5. Which the above proves you as just making up out of thin air seeing as the score is exactly the same as it was way before Heath Ledger even died and those other older movies which would have nostalgia going for them have only decreased. At the same time. Currently on RT, Batman Begins has a 94% user approval rating with an average 7.8 score. Where back in June 2007. web.archive.org/web/20070614115754/https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/batman_begins/It had the exact same user score of 94% and an even higher average score of 8.4. So the complete and utter opposite of what you just made up to push your bias against the series. No, none of the critics or the users were reviewing the movie based on what it being called Captain America. It got decent-pretty good reviews because it was merely just a decent-pretty good movie. As IMDb also shows the difference in scores between the US and Non US users is comparable to those seen with say Iron Man. They weren't grounded, no more than Ant-man or Doctor Strange. They were still light toned and jokey, Sci-Fi/Fantasy movies which a lot of CGI and colorful costumes (in Spider-man's case) and a whole array of weird and wonderful super powers. Like the two Batman movies movie prior to Begins. Batman Begins had a darker tone, was done in an attempt that it could fit in the real world, there were no super powers, no overabundance of CGI because of a lot of it used practical effects, something the movies were always highly praised for and with scenes like the Truck flip in The Dark Knight being more impressive than most "bigger" scenes that are all computer generated. No if you actually look at the reviews, they didn't get high scores just because it was the last time he got to play the character. It got good reviews for the performances, for being violent, emotional, thought provoking, non generic, dramatic and for using practical effects.
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Post by Larcen26 on Nov 16, 2017 19:33:19 GMT
Now that I'm thinking about it, pending seeing Justice League...
The Amazing Spider Man movies really weren't very good...it's just Emma Stone's natural charisma elevating them. So I'd probably put those below the Snyder trilogy, though they're neck and neck.
The original X-men is probably better, but X3 REALLY drags it down...I might even consider BvS better than that. X2 elevates all 3.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 16, 2017 19:38:27 GMT
Now that I'm thinking about it, pending seeing Justice League... The Amazing Spider Man movies really weren't very good...it's just Emma Stone's natural charisma elevating them. So I'd probably put those below the Snyder trilogy, though they're neck and neck. The original X-men is probably better, but X3 REALLY drags it down...I might even consider BvS better than that. X2 elevates all 3. The original x-men series is vastly superior. X3 wasn't super duper, I agree but it's nowhere near BVS or JL. I'd say it's more like MOS type of bad.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 16, 2017 19:45:39 GMT
You don't know that at all. It had it's own competition with Spider-man and X-men movies that were coming out at the time, amongst others. Neither of which had any movies in 2007. Nolanites going back and upvoting it after Dark Knight. They also had to ignore that they thought the name was silly, but it seeped in. As IMDb also shows the difference in scores between the US and Non US users is comparable to those seen with say Iron Man. They were. At least that's what they were aiming for. No one's going to outright say it. Look, I don't think we're going to be able to agree on this.
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Post by charzhino on Nov 16, 2017 19:48:35 GMT
The religious thing just made it more like "See how SERIOUS we are? We're using religion!" Which was great for the narrative they were trying to establish of minorities of all walks being hated.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 16, 2017 19:50:41 GMT
The religious thing just made it more like "See how SERIOUS we are? We're using religion!" Which was great for the narrative they were trying to establish of minorities of all walks being hated. That's not how prejudice works though.
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Post by charzhino on Nov 16, 2017 19:58:18 GMT
Which was great for the narrative they were trying to establish of minorities of all walks being hated. That's not how prejudice works though. In his specific origin it works having a physical deformation and working in the circus as a freak. For someone like Storm who is pretty, you have half a point.
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Post by scabab on Nov 16, 2017 20:25:58 GMT
Neither of which had any movies in 2007. Spider-man 3 came out in 2007. They didn't have to come out the same year, they were all superhero movies being made around the same time. Is factually wrong as I just pointed out. The two biggest sites for user reviews are IMDb and Rotten Tomatoes. IMDb shows an entirely unchanged user score for Batman Begins from before and after The Dark Knight came and an entirely unchanged user percentage score and a decreased average score for Batman Begins from before and after The Dark Knight came out on RT. Those are the facts. Meaning you're comment is completely untrue, you'd actually be more accurate to say the opposite of what of you're implying. Which has zero to do with the actual review of the movie itself. They were no more grounded than every other superhero movie that gets made. The only ones that wouldn't be grounded would be the likes of Guardians of the Galaxy or Thor. So if it wasn't outright said then you haven't seen it been said. Which means you saying that it got good reviews because it was Jackman's last time playing the character would also be baseless.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 16, 2017 20:34:39 GMT
Spider-man 3 came out in 2007. They didn't have to come out the same year, they were all superhero movies being made around the same time. Actually, they do need to come out in the same year to be proper competition. I'm talking about the stuff going on between MCU and X-Men and DC today when I meant competition. The environment back then was vastly different. I was gonna reply to the rest, but we're just running around in circles.
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Post by scabab on Nov 16, 2017 20:42:14 GMT
Actually, they do need to come out in the same year to be proper competition. I'm talking about the stuff going on between MCU and X-Men and DC today when I meant competition. The environment back then was vastly different. Then Elektra and Fantastic Four then. The MCU and DCEU are in competition in general not because of one movie that comes out the same year as an another. There's no circle. You said that Batman Begins saw a uptick in scores since The Dark Knight came out, that was proven to be untrue as the websites from all the way back then showed. You said that Logan got good reviews because it was Jackman's last time playing the character but then you said that the reviews didn't actually say that so you don't actually know that either. Meanwhile there are a whole bunch of reasons and general consensus that does explain why it got good reviews.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 16, 2017 20:46:51 GMT
I was trying to think of a comic book trilogy that has an Average RT rating below 50. I just looked up the Blade series and it actually stoops that low with the third getting a 25 and the first two in the 50's. Ghost Rider was awful but only has 2 films. I suppose we could count that though. Oh and there are only 2 fantastic four films, but those are well below 50 also. Maybe Daredevil and Elektra? Again only two films but that's relevant.
Obviously TDK series, Cap, Iron Man, Thor, and Avengers are well above 70.
Can you think of any others? How it must sting to admit that the TDK trilogy ranks so high. Y'know... it being a DC movie and all that. lol
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 16, 2017 21:19:40 GMT
I was trying to think of a comic book trilogy that has an Average RT rating below 50. I just looked up the Blade series and it actually stoops that low with the third getting a 25 and the first two in the 50's. Ghost Rider was awful but only has 2 films. I suppose we could count that though. Oh and there are only 2 fantastic four films, but those are well below 50 also. Maybe Daredevil and Elektra? Again only two films but that's relevant.
Obviously TDK series, Cap, Iron Man, Thor, and Avengers are well above 70.
Can you think of any others? How it must sting to admit that the TDK trilogy ranks so high. Y'know... it being a DC movie and all that. lol I actually really enjoy TDK. It's a fantastic movie, so is Batman Begins. Why wouldn't I like those?
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 17, 2017 6:20:38 GMT
Captain America? TWS is maybe the best comic book movie ever. Not even close. Wonder Woman is a much better movie than Winter Soldier. Winter Soldier was never considered for an Oscar for Best Picture. Wonder Woman is a serious contender for a Best Picture Oscar nomination.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 17, 2017 6:24:17 GMT
I don't read anything he posts so I don't know.
I was just asking an honest question, is the Snyder trilogy the worst? Is there some reason I can't ask that?
I never said that you couldn't ask a question. It's just that when a DC fan makes a thread like this, you guys usually flip out. That's how Arf Arf, formersamhmd, and weirdraptor are. They always post their anti-DC threads and then start whining and crying foul over every thread that doesn't praise MCU as the greatest thing ever.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 17, 2017 6:25:05 GMT
What, payback isn't allowed? it just seems hypocritical. Agreed. Those MCU fans are full of hypocrisy!
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 17, 2017 6:28:46 GMT
I never said that you couldn't ask a question. It's just that when a DC fan makes a thread like this, you guys usually flip out. That's because it's not remotely the same type of thread.
He goes into films that are rated very highly and nitpicks and exaggerates.
I'm simply talking about the reality of this film's reviews.
LOL!!! Arf Arf talking about exaggerations and reality when Arf Arf is trying to claim that Civil War is better than TDKR and trying to claim that the Cap trilogy is better than The Dark Knight trilogy even though every major ratings systems rates TDKR better than Civil War and rates The Dark Knight trilogy better than the Cap trilogy.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2017 6:38:48 GMT
I never said that you couldn't ask a question. It's just that when a DC fan makes a thread like this, you guys usually flip out. That's how Arf Arf, formersamhmd, and weirdraptor are. They always post their anti-DC threads and then start whining and crying foul over every thread that doesn't praise MCU as the greatest thing ever. No, we're paying you back for all the crap you've started on the MCU board for the past several months.
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