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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2017 3:42:51 GMT
To another DCEU failure? What reshoots will they force James Wan into making? Ragnarok was well received so maybe WW should go to Atlantis and fight Aquaman in some aquatic arena? Maybe they can get someone from "Flight of the Conchords" to direct reshoots or failing that - a page one rewrite?
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Post by thisguy4000 on Nov 16, 2017 3:46:14 GMT
Was WW affected by the response to BvS and SS? No? Well there’s your answer.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2017 3:51:36 GMT
Zack the hack is long gone already. I don't even know if they will want to risk Flashpoint right now, even though it would help them to retcon their problems away.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 16, 2017 4:17:10 GMT
Oh Snyder has to be out right? If they bring Snyder back that is just insane. I was actually thinking Snyder's trilogy has to be considered the worst comic book trilogy of all time. These things are going to average under 50RT. It's hard to name anything worse.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 16, 2017 4:18:45 GMT
Was WW affected by the response to BvS and SS? No? Well there’s your answer. It might have been. For all the talk that she's one of the biggest characters ever and had a damn well reviewed movie, she just got beat by 3 Marvel films in the same year. So either WW isn't as popular as a lot of people think or her movie was affected.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Nov 16, 2017 15:54:48 GMT
Was WW affected by the response to BvS and SS? No? Well there’s your answer. It might have been. For all the talk that she's one of the biggest characters ever and had a damn well reviewed movie, she just got beat by 3 Marvel films in the same year. So either WW isn't as popular as a lot of people think or her movie was affected. You need to let go of the "she was beaten by 3 Marvel characters" argument. WW is the highest grossing CBM of 2017 domestically. It's foreign nunbers are bound to improve with the sequel. Also, no one has ever claimed that she's one of the biggest characters ever. Spider-Man is much bigger than her.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 16, 2017 15:57:44 GMT
It might have been. For all the talk that she's one of the biggest characters ever and had a damn well reviewed movie, she just got beat by 3 Marvel films in the same year. So either WW isn't as popular as a lot of people think or her movie was affected. You need to let go of the "she was beaten by 3 Marvel characters" argument. WW is the highest grossing CBM of 2017 domestically. It's foreign nunbers are bound to improve with the sequel. Also, no one has ever claimed that she's one of the biggest characters ever. Spider-Man is much bigger than her. WW's been well known as one of DC's Big Guns for decades.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Nov 16, 2017 16:06:23 GMT
You need to let go of the "she was beaten by 3 Marvel characters" argument. WW is the highest grossing CBM of 2017 domestically. It's foreign nunbers are bound to improve with the sequel. Also, no one has ever claimed that she's one of the biggest characters ever. Spider-Man is much bigger than her. WW's been well known as one of DC's Big Guns for decades. She's considered part of the DC "trinity" but that's only because she's the first female superhero in comics. Her comics generally dont sell all that well even compared to other characters like Green Lantern and Harley Quinn. Her name is pretty much only recognized because again, she's the first female superhero, and she was in the Superfriends cartoon. Most people didn't even know her backstory, even though everyone knows Superman, Batman, and Spider-Man's backstories.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 16, 2017 16:08:36 GMT
It might have been. For all the talk that she's one of the biggest characters ever and had a damn well reviewed movie, she just got beat by 3 Marvel films in the same year. So either WW isn't as popular as a lot of people think or her movie was affected. You need to let go of the "she was beaten by 3 Marvel characters" argument. WW is the highest grossing CBM of 2017 domestically. It's foreign nunbers are bound to improve with the sequel. Also, no one has ever claimed that she's one of the biggest characters ever. Spider-Man is much bigger than her. Why would I need to let go of the she was beaten by 3 Marvel characters argument? She was. And why does the domestic numbers specifically matter? Are we going to break this down state by state? If Thor won California does that matter more?
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Post by thisguy4000 on Nov 16, 2017 17:38:16 GMT
You need to let go of the "she was beaten by 3 Marvel characters" argument. WW is the highest grossing CBM of 2017 domestically. It's foreign nunbers are bound to improve with the sequel. Also, no one has ever claimed that she's one of the biggest characters ever. Spider-Man is much bigger than her. Why would I need to let go of the she was beaten by 3 Marvel characters argument? She was. And why does the domestic numbers specifically matter? Are we going to break this down state by state? If Thor won California does that matter more? For starters, box office numbers have no relevance to the discussion of whether or not WW was influenced by the response to BvS and SS. Second, I've went over this with you before, but studios gain a greater percentage of a film's domestic earnings than they do its international earnings. Thats why movies like Warcraft and The Mummy were considered disappointments, despite doing well overseas. I'm not saying that international numbers don't matter at all, but you need to stop acting like WW greatly underperformed compared to the Marvel movies released this year, when its domestic earnings and box office legs were better than any of them.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 16, 2017 17:40:44 GMT
To another DCEU failure? What reshoots will they force James Wan into making? Ragnarok was well received so maybe WW should go to Atlantis and fight Aquaman in some aquatic arena? Maybe they can get someone from "Flight of the Conchords" to direct reshoots or failing that - a page one rewrite? Or maybe you should go to the Marvel boards and suck the Marvel $#@% instead of coming to DC boards to start threads talking $#!@ about DC movies.
Just a thought.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 16, 2017 17:51:37 GMT
Why would I need to let go of the she was beaten by 3 Marvel characters argument? She was. And why does the domestic numbers specifically matter? Are we going to break this down state by state? If Thor won California does that matter more? For starters, box office numbers have no relevance to the discussion of whether or not WW was influenced by the response to BvS and SS. Second, I've went over this with you before, but studios gain a greater percentage of a film's domestic earnings than they do its international earnings. Thats why movies like Warcraft and The Mummy were considered disappointments, despite doing well overseas. I'm not saying that international numbers don't matter at all, but you need to stop acting like WW greatly underperformed compared to the Marvel movies released this year, when its domestic earnings and box office legs were better than any of them. And I've gone over with you before that gaining a lesser % overseas is irrelevant to this discussion. It's about gauging total interest, not who makes more off of that interest.
So in terms of how well received something is, saying it's more popular in America doesn't matter at all if that something isn't more popular overall.
And she lost to all three MCU films this year. Justice League now has far worse reviews than even the lowest rated MCU film. Can we just accept the reality of this?
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Post by thisguy4000 on Nov 16, 2017 17:57:11 GMT
For starters, box office numbers have no relevance to the discussion of whether or not WW was influenced by the response to BvS and SS. Second, I've went over this with you before, but studios gain a greater percentage of a film's domestic earnings than they do its international earnings. Thats why movies like Warcraft and The Mummy were considered disappointments, despite doing well overseas. I'm not saying that international numbers don't matter at all, but you need to stop acting like WW greatly underperformed compared to the Marvel movies released this year, when its domestic earnings and box office legs were better than any of them. And I've gone over with you before that gaining a lesser % overseas is irrelevant to this discussion. It's about gauging total interest, not who makes more off of that interest.
So in terms of how well received something is, saying it's more popular in America doesn't matter at all if that something isn't more popular overall.
And she lost to all three MCU films this year. Justice League now has far worse reviews than even the lowest rated MCU film. Can we just accept the reality of this?
Exchange rates are a very difficult matter. A movie making more worldwide than another is not really a good indicator of which movie has better total interest, especially without taking into account which territories the Marvel movies made more money in than WW. Besides, WW was the character's first movie. The same cannot be said for Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2, Spider-Man: Homecoming, or Thor: Ragnarok. Besides , if you want to talk about which movie had more "interest", WW had significantly better legs than anything in the MCU, which suggests that it had more re-watchability than the MCU movies. Also, when did I mention anything about JL? When did I say that it didn't have worse reviews than anything in the MCU?
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 16, 2017 18:06:00 GMT
And I've gone over with you before that gaining a lesser % overseas is irrelevant to this discussion. It's about gauging total interest, not who makes more off of that interest.
So in terms of how well received something is, saying it's more popular in America doesn't matter at all if that something isn't more popular overall.
And she lost to all three MCU films this year. Justice League now has far worse reviews than even the lowest rated MCU film. Can we just accept the reality of this?
Exchange rates are a very difficult matter. A movie making more worldwide than another is not really a good indicator of which movie has better total interest, especially without taking into account which territories the Marvel movies made more money in than WW. Besides, WW was the character's first movie. The same cannot be said for Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2, Spider-Man: Homecoming, or Thor: Ragnarok. Besides , if you want to talk about which movie had more "interest", WW had significantly better legs than anything in the MCU, which suggests that it had more re-watchability than the MCU movies. Also, when did I mention anything about JL? When did I say that it didn't have worse reviews than anything in the MCU? It got beat, end of story.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Nov 16, 2017 18:11:10 GMT
Exchange rates are a very difficult matter. A movie making more worldwide than another is not really a good indicator of which movie has better total interest, especially without taking into account which territories the Marvel movies made more money in than WW. Besides, WW was the character's first movie. The same cannot be said for Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2, Spider-Man: Homecoming, or Thor: Ragnarok. Besides , if you want to talk about which movie had more "interest", WW had significantly better legs than anything in the MCU, which suggests that it had more re-watchability than the MCU movies. Also, when did I mention anything about JL? When did I say that it didn't have worse reviews than anything in the MCU? It got beat, end of story. It made more in America despite having less goodwill going for it, and was rewetted more than any other big movie this year. I don't know why would ignore that in favor of saying that it got "beat" by 3 movies that had much more going for them, including a pre-established audience overseas. At the very least, why are you acting like WW was slaughtered by those other 3 movies when it really wasn't?
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 16, 2017 18:12:28 GMT
It got beat, end of story. It made more in America despite having less goodwill going for it, and was rewetted more than any other big movie this year. I don't know why would ignore that in favor of saying that it got "beat" by 3 movies that had much more going for them, including a pre-established audience overseas. At the very least, why are you acting like WW was slaughtered by those other 3 movies when it really wasn't? Are you crazy? It had more goodwill. The reason it made more in America was the significant amount more women who went to see it wouldn't ordinarily go to these things. My wife saw it three times with her teacher friends.
Which just goes to say that it doesn't indicate that the foreign box office will catch up in any way. I don't know why you're drawing that conclusion.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 16, 2017 18:14:27 GMT
It got beat, end of story. It made more in America despite having less goodwill going for it, It had tons of goodwill. That whole "Women only screening" thing is proof enough of that.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Nov 16, 2017 18:16:09 GMT
It made more in America despite having less goodwill going for it, and was rewetted more than any other big movie this year. I don't know why would ignore that in favor of saying that it got "beat" by 3 movies that had much more going for them, including a pre-established audience overseas. At the very least, why are you acting like WW was slaughtered by those other 3 movies when it really wasn't? Are you crazy? It had more goodwill. The reason it made more in America was the significant amount more women who went to see it wouldn't ordinarily go to these things. My wife saw it three times with her teacher friends.
Which just goes to say that it doesn't indicate that the foreign box office will catch up in any way. I don't know why you're drawing that conclusion.
By "goodwill" are you referring to BvS, which had historically poor legs at the box office? Compared to the goodwill that the MCU has, WW definitely did not have more goodwill going into it. It survived solely because of its reviews, not because it was part of a successful franchise that people overseas love.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 16, 2017 18:55:58 GMT
Are you crazy? It had more goodwill. The reason it made more in America was the significant amount more women who went to see it wouldn't ordinarily go to these things. My wife saw it three times with her teacher friends.
Which just goes to say that it doesn't indicate that the foreign box office will catch up in any way. I don't know why you're drawing that conclusion.
By "goodwill" are you referring to BvS, which had historically poor legs at the box office? Compared to the goodwill that the MCU has, WW definitely did not have more goodwill going into it. It survived solely because of its reviews, not because it was part of a successful franchise that people overseas love. It had the goodwill of a social agenda buzz that plays better in America than elsewhere. That's why the American numbers were up. And that's why it's not a sign that the foreign numbers were somehow behind. The foreign number is really where the film was at, so it's basically a 700 type of film, which is still great. It just gets a little inflated in the states.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Nov 16, 2017 19:02:52 GMT
By "goodwill" are you referring to BvS, which had historically poor legs at the box office? Compared to the goodwill that the MCU has, WW definitely did not have more goodwill going into it. It survived solely because of its reviews, not because it was part of a successful franchise that people overseas love. It had the goodwill of a social agenda buzz that plays better in America than elsewhere. That's why the American numbers were up. And that's why it's not a sign that the foreign numbers were somehow behind. The foreign number is really where the film was at, so it's basically a 700 type of film, which is still great. It just gets a little inflated in the states. I don’t see how starring a woman really helped its numbers. That didn’t help the Ghostbusters reboot, or Ghost in the Shell starring a major actress like Scarlett Johansson.
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