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Post by Vits on Nov 16, 2017 19:32:16 GMT
... who never get a redemption? Of course that the way we feel about characters can be personal, but my question is in regards to how the writers intended us to feel.
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Post by politicidal on Nov 16, 2017 19:50:02 GMT
Saffron Burrows in Deep Blue Sea. I heard they actually changed the ending just so they could kill her off because test audiences hated her so much.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Nov 16, 2017 20:23:05 GMT
Saffron Burrows in Deep Blue Sea. I heard they actually changed the ending just so they could kill her off because test audiences hated her so much. She gave a cold performance. Bad casting though a Frankenstein character like that usually dies. I think Hammond in Jurassic Park SHOULD have died or at least one of his bratty grandkids so there was some payback. It lamed out. At least his nephew got it good at the end of the Lost World (a rare case of irony in a Spielberg film). |
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Nov 16, 2017 20:25:30 GMT
Jack in the Shining.
In the book he tries to fight the possession.
In the movie he just fails.
Same with A Clockwork Orange--Alex goes back to being a psycho and that's that. In the novel he does not--it was said Kubrick did not have access to the original ending but somehow I doubt that because in all his movies it ends with the main character being a bad example or losing control or something negative.
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Post by koskiewicz on Nov 16, 2017 23:16:53 GMT
"M" with Peter Lorre...
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Post by Vits on Nov 18, 2017 0:21:53 GMT
Saffron Burrows in Deep Blue Sea. I heard they actually changed the ending just so they could kill her off because test audiences hated her so much. She gave a cold performance. Bad casting though a Frankenstein character like that usually dies. I think Hammond in Jurassic Park SHOULD have died or at least one of his bratty grandkids so there was some payback. It lamed out. At least his nephew got it good at the end of the Lost World (a rare case of irony in a Spielberg film). I don't think those characters are villains. They made mistakes that led to the creation of the villains. Jack in the Shining. In the book he tries to fight the possession. In the movie he just fails. Same with A Clockwork Orange--Alex goes back to being a psycho and that's that. In the novel he does not--it was said Kubrick did not have access to the original ending but somehow I doubt that because in all his movies it ends with the main character being a bad example or losing control or something negative. 1) You kind of answered yourself there. Book JACK is a good guy turned evil against his will. Since we don't see the struggles, it comes off as if movie JACK was evil yet sane at the beginning and then became insane. 2) ALEX is a good example. I saw it so long ago that I don't remember. Why just the remake? The same thing didn't happen in the original? |
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Nov 18, 2017 0:54:44 GMT
I don't think those characters are villains. They made mistakes that led to the creation of the villains. The dinosaurs are not villains and neither are the sharks. They were deliberately created by the scientists-not caring about the consequences or the effects on the experimental subjects. It's not even that they (the scientists) are villains either, but misguided and usually they get some consequence. The scientist in Deep Blue Sea sacrifices herself to fix the problem she created. Also Hammond was rather sadistic when they lower the steer into the raptor pit. Not a well presented character and he doesn't really lose anything except money. The people who worked for him were disposable. I suppose Nedry was the villain in a sense since he risked people's lives for money but Hammond was more misguided. Nedry gets a horrible death, Hammond does not. In the original scripted version (not the novel-where he dies) he is supposed to shoot the raptors. That might have been even worse. |
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