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Post by Vits on Nov 16, 2017 19:32:34 GMT
... who never get a redemption? Of course that the way we feel about characters can be personal, but my question is in regards to how the writers intended us to feel.
The only one I can think of at the moment is PUPPETMON from DIGIMON.
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Post by deembastille on Nov 16, 2017 20:19:53 GMT
Wicked witch of the West. All she wanted was the shoes. They were, after all, lawfully hers. And Glenda WAS being bullyish for the 'They must be powerful' line.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2017 0:09:56 GMT
Gollum
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Post by Vits on Nov 18, 2017 0:23:57 GMT
Wicked witch of the West. All she wanted was the shoes. They were, after all, lawfully hers. And Glenda WAS being bullyish for the 'They must be powerful' line. I don't think the movie intended for the audience to feel sorry for her. WICKED did, but she wasn't really the villain there. Good example. |
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Post by poelzig on Nov 18, 2017 0:41:39 GMT
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Post by deembastille on Nov 18, 2017 0:59:16 GMT
Wicked witch of the West. All she wanted was the shoes. They were, after all, lawfully hers. And Glenda WAS being bullyish for the 'They must be powerful' line. I don't think the movie intended for the audience to feel sorry for her. WICKED did, but she wasn't really the villain there. I disagree. although I have read and seen Wicked, take a look at the house dropping scene of the movie. WWoW was relatively calm when she began to explain about the shoes. she could have killed Dorothy right then and there for killing her sister but she didn't. take a look at Glenda... 'oh, why does she want them so badly??' really? is that what a mentor is supposed to do? and what does the bitch do? sends Dorothy on a wild goose chase when all she had to do was click her heals! really? and Gregory Maguire had a point when he wrote the book... what about Elphaba's side of the story? why were the shoes so important that they stay within her family? |
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Post by Vits on Nov 18, 2017 23:14:15 GMT
Everything you said is how we felt after thinking about the movie from that point of view, but there's never a moment where the writing or directing suggest that we're supposed to feel sorry for her.
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Post by hi224 on Nov 25, 2017 21:32:31 GMT
I don't think the movie intended for the audience to feel sorry for her. WICKED did, but she wasn't really the villain there. I disagree. although I have read and seen Wicked, take a look at the house dropping scene of the movie. WWoW was relatively calm when she began to explain about the shoes. she could have killed Dorothy right then and there for killing her sister but she didn't. take a look at Glenda... 'oh, why does she want them so badly??' really? is that what a mentor is supposed to do? and what does the bitch do? sends Dorothy on a wild goose chase when all she had to do was click her heals! really? and Gregory Maguire had a point when he wrote the book... what about Elphaba's side of the story? why were the shoes so important that they stay within her family? Would be an interesting followup to wizard. |
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Post by High Plains Drifter on Nov 26, 2017 2:47:29 GMT
I'll say Bud from C.H.U.D 2. Only reason I'm going with this old corny funny horror movie. Bud is a zombie, can talk at times, but see's a girls photo falls in love with her. *Spoiler* While trying to get to her the teens have him walk across the swimming pool tall diving board. Bud in heartfelt move pulls his heart out and looks at the girl and says "Please". Then the teens spray him from behind with freezing solution, and Bud falls into a frozen pool with other frozen zombies, busting on impact. Kinda felt sorry for the guy who in a way offered a girl his heart, only to be rejected.
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Post by mszanadu on Nov 26, 2017 2:52:27 GMT
... who never get a redemption? Of course that the way we feel about characters can be personal, but my question is in regards to how the writers intended us to feel. The only one I can think of at the moment is PUPPETMON from DIGIMON. *** SPOILERS HERE Also all of this IMPO of course too  . At the moment the only character I can think of would be - Jason Voorhees   . Which is to say was a very complex character to really pinpoint on as well   .
It was his sad beginning of being a child victim to a drowning and no one to save him  . Of course given his later adult nature ( and also becoming vengeful to the loss his own mother ) with this he totally goes berserk on murdering late age teenagers and adults . So for me as a viewer it still makes this quite difficult to determine if we are to continue to feel sorry for this character or just give up on this notion of this storyline altogether . Thanks so much vits for this most intriguing subject post   . |
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Post by mszanadu on Nov 26, 2017 3:06:13 GMT
I'll say Bud from C.H.U.D 2. Only reason I'm going with this old corny funny horror movie. Bud is a zombie, can talk at times, but see's a girls photo falls in love with her. *Spoiler* While trying to get to her the teens have him walk across the swimming pool tall diving board. Bud in heartfelt move pulls his heart out and looks at the girl and says "Please". Then the teens spray him from behind with freezing solution, and Bud falls into a frozen pool with other frozen zombies, busting on impact. Kinda felt sorry for the guy who in a way offered a girl his heart, only to be rejected. I totally agree on all counts here High Plains Drifter Bud the CHUD seem that way to me as well . Thanks for the reminder on this character too  . |
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Post by Vits on Nov 26, 2017 20:55:10 GMT
At the moment the only character I can think of would be - Jason Voorhees . Which is to say was a very complex character to really pinpoint on as well .
It was his sad beginning of being a child victim to a drowning and no one to save him . Of course given his later adult nature ( and also becoming vengeful to the loss his own mother ) with this he totally goes berserk on murdering late age teenagers and adults . So for me as a viewer it still makes this quite difficult to determine if we are to continue to feel sorry for this character or just give up on this notion of this storyline altogether . Thanks so much vits for this most intriguing subject post . You're welcome. You're right that some (but not all) of the movies focus on the idea that he's a victim. Especially the ones where we see him as a child, either through flashbacks or in the dream world (with FREDDY KRUEGER) or... whatever the explanation was for his body rejuvenating at the end of JASON TAKES MANHATTAN. |
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Post by Marv on Nov 27, 2017 16:43:31 GMT
Carrie
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Post by mszanadu on Nov 27, 2017 17:26:39 GMT
At the moment the only character I can think of would be - Jason Voorhees . Which is to say was a very complex character to really pinpoint on as well .
It was his sad beginning of being a child victim to a drowning and no one to save him . Of course given his later adult nature ( and also becoming vengeful to the loss his own mother ) with this he totally goes berserk on murdering late age teenagers and adults . So for me as a viewer it still makes this quite difficult to determine if we are to continue to feel sorry for this character or just give up on this notion of this storyline altogether . Thanks so much vits for this most intriguing subject post . You're welcome. You're right that some (but not all) of the movies focus on the idea that he's a victim. Especially the ones where we see him as a child, either through flashbacks or in the dream world (with FREDDY KRUEGER) or... whatever the explanation was for his body rejuvenating at the end of JASON TAKES MANHATTAN. IMPO - I think the writers / creators were trying to give us viewers a bit of a challenge here as well  . Either way never a dull moment with this fun & intriguing storyline saga  . Thanks again vits . |
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Post by mszanadu on Nov 27, 2017 18:12:24 GMT
A really awesome choice there Marv . IMPO - Another excellent storyline character with a combination of duality yet a challenging point of view as well . This of course from me is all going by the movie versions only - I have never read the book . We feel very sorry for the character Carrie because of her loneliness , extreme alienation from her peers - also other people , and mixed with a very unsupportive mother too . Also being born with powers she had not yet mastered and had no one of her kind to help her with this either . All this making Carrie a victim of her all-around unwilling circumstances  . Of course even with the " last straw situation " of destroying all that got in her way because of a beyond inhuman prank planned out by a jealous and hateful former classmate . To me this definitely adds ups to a temporary villain but mostly a victim  . Again of course this can still challenge the viewer because of this in between fine line as well ( and again this IMPO of course too ) . |
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Post by Vits on Nov 27, 2017 20:28:47 GMT
This of course from me is all going by the movie versions only Which ones have you seen? |
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Post by mszanadu on Nov 27, 2017 21:01:48 GMT
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