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Post by thisguy4000 on Nov 17, 2017 1:59:22 GMT
No matter what the direction of these movies might’ve turned out to be, the first ever Justice League movie was always going to have a tough battle ahead of it for one simple reason: Marvel did it first.
There’s no point in arguing that the whole reason we have a DC shared universe to begin with is because of the success of the MCU. The idea of a superhero crossover movie had already been done with The Avengers, which was of course a record breaking hit.
No matter what would’ve happened with these DC movies, JL would’ve always been viewed as an attempt to replicate the success that Marvel enjoyed with TA. It was never going to match the the kind of money TA made because it would’ve been viewed as an imitation at the end of the day. I’m not saying that things couldn’t have turned out better, but the DCEU (or something) was never going to match the MCU because it simply came too late in time.
Thats my two cents.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 17, 2017 2:13:16 GMT
Now the conversation can begin. Marvel didn't really do it first but they sure as hell did systemize it, and WB rushed to catch up instead of capitalizing on Marvel's shortcomings and building a stronger more compelling universe on a solid foundation.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 17, 2017 2:15:35 GMT
No matter what the direction of these movies might’ve turned out to be, the first ever Justice League movie was always going to have a tough battle ahead of it for one simple reason: Marvel did it first. There’s no point in arguing that the whole reason we have a DC shared universe to begin with is because of the success of the MCU. The idea of a superhero crossover movie had already been done with The Avengers, which was of course a record breaking hit. No matter what would’ve happened with these DC movies, JL would’ve always been viewed as an attempt to replicate the success that Marvel enjoyed with TA. It was never going to match the the kind of money TA made because it would’ve been viewed as an imitation at the end of the day. I’m not saying that things couldn’t have turned out better, but the DCEU (or something) was never going to match the MCU because it simply came too late in time. Thats my two cents. Well said. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 17, 2017 2:17:39 GMT
Now the conversation can begin. Marvel didn't really do it first but they sure as hell did systemize it, and WB rushed to catch up instead of capitalizing on Marvel's shortcomings and building a stronger more compelling universe on a solid foundation. I'd be very curious to see anybody capitalize on any perceived shortcomings. I simply don't think there are any sufficient enough to capitalize on in such a way that you could differentiate the brand and keep it just as or more entertaining. I really don't think there any significant shortcomings. Could certain little bits here and there be done a little better, sure. But that's not enough room for another brand to come in and take any market share. |
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Post by politicidal on Nov 17, 2017 2:18:43 GMT
No, that's fair. The suits wanted twice the movies for half the work so they did BVS and look how that panned out (no puns plea-eh screw it fire away).
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Post by merh on Nov 17, 2017 2:21:49 GMT
No matter what the direction of these movies might’ve turned out to be, the first ever Justice League movie was always going to have a tough battle ahead of it for one simple reason: Marvel did it first. There’s no point in arguing that the whole reason we have a DC shared universe to begin with is because of the success of the MCU. The idea of a superhero crossover movie had already been done with The Avengers, which was of course a record breaking hit. No matter what would’ve happened with these DC movies, JL would’ve always been viewed as an attempt to replicate the success that Marvel enjoyed with TA. It was never going to match the the kind of money TA made because it would’ve been viewed as an imitation at the end of the day. I’m not saying that things couldn’t have turned out better, but the DCEU (or something) was never going to match the MCU because it simply came too late in time. Thats my two cents. No. It should have been EASY. Supes & Bats are highly recognizable Wonder Woman had a t.v. series most remember. They squandered it trying to reinvent their brand into the image of Batman. |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Nov 17, 2017 2:23:36 GMT
No matter what the direction of these movies might’ve turned out to be, the first ever Justice League movie was always going to have a tough battle ahead of it for one simple reason: Marvel did it first. There’s no point in arguing that the whole reason we have a DC shared universe to begin with is because of the success of the MCU. The idea of a superhero crossover movie had already been done with The Avengers, which was of course a record breaking hit. No matter what would’ve happened with these DC movies, JL would’ve always been viewed as an attempt to replicate the success that Marvel enjoyed with TA. It was never going to match the the kind of money TA made because it would’ve been viewed as an imitation at the end of the day. I’m not saying that things couldn’t have turned out better, but the DCEU (or something) was never going to match the MCU because it simply came too late in time. Thats my two cents. No. It should have been EASY. Supes & Bats are highly recognizable Wonder Woman had a t.v. series most remember. They squandered it trying to reinvent their brand into the image of Batman. Making movies is never easy. |
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Post by merh on Nov 17, 2017 2:39:51 GMT
No. It should have been EASY. Supes & Bats are highly recognizable Wonder Woman had a t.v. series most remember. They squandered it trying to reinvent their brand into the image of Batman. Making movies is never easy. No. Christopher Reeve was loved in the role. The character is well known to non comic fans. Lois & Clark Smallville The Nolan films were popular. They have COUNTLESS team ups to draw from. It should have been easy getting a good script |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Nov 17, 2017 2:49:59 GMT
Making movies is never easy. No. Christopher Reeve was loved in the role. The character is well known to non comic fans. Lois & Clark Smallville The Nolan films were popular. They have COUNTLESS team ups to draw from. It should have been easy getting a good script None of those would’ve worked as the foundation for a shared universe, and two of them are television shows that many find to be dated. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Nov 17, 2017 3:06:14 GMT
No matter what the direction of these movies might’ve turned out to be, the first ever Justice League movie was always going to have a tough battle ahead of it for one simple reason: Marvel did it first. There’s no point in arguing that the whole reason we have a DC shared universe to begin with is because of the success of the MCU. The idea of a superhero crossover movie had already been done with The Avengers, which was of course a record breaking hit. No matter what would’ve happened with these DC movies, JL would’ve always been viewed as an attempt to replicate the success that Marvel enjoyed with TA. It was never going to match the the kind of money TA made because it would’ve been viewed as an imitation at the end of the day. I’m not saying that things couldn’t have turned out better, but the DCEU (or something) was never going to match the MCU because it simply came too late in time. Thats my two cents. What makes it worse is that they had plenty of opportunities to put it out. I don't know if X-men not making big solo movie bucks back then (like Spider-man and Batman) or what, but they never got off the ground.* The thing that scares me is would it have looked like X-men? Would they have taken their cues from them? *But made a Watchmen movie... Weird. |
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Post by merh on Nov 17, 2017 3:10:28 GMT
No. Christopher Reeve was loved in the role. The character is well known to non comic fans. Lois & Clark Smallville The Nolan films were popular. They have COUNTLESS team ups to draw from. It should have been easy getting a good script None of those would’ve worked as the foundation for a shared universe, and two of them are television shows that many find to be dated. What was there for people to relate to Cap? Did anyone outside of comic book geeks know who the hell Tony Stark was? RDJ was a druggie washed up actor. How many know Norse gods, much less the Marvel version? Marvel went with comic book fans to oversee their movies. DC fans bitched how tight the reigns were on MARVEL movies, but they know what their vision for the characters are. DC let the directors follow their muses, but they need to hold their vision tight. People are giving up on them. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Nov 17, 2017 3:14:06 GMT
Another thing is this: I think WB got shook after Batman & Robin and Steel. I think that whole time period shook them into indecision. Their next big movie after Steel was Catwoman? That's 7 years!
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Post by CowherPowerForever on Nov 17, 2017 3:15:14 GMT
Yeah, but if anyone argues that, they are a child, or at the very least a troll. Marvel didn't create the shared universe, they just had the most financial success with it.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 17, 2017 3:23:19 GMT
Yeah, but if anyone argues that, they are a child, or at the very least a troll. Marvel didn't create the shared universe, they just had the most financial success with it. And were the best at it, and had the most critical success, and the most professionalism, and cared the most about their product |
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Post by CowherPowerForever on Nov 17, 2017 3:25:54 GMT
Yeah, but if anyone argues that, they are a child, or at the very least a troll. Marvel didn't create the shared universe, they just had the most financial success with it. And were the best at it, and had the most critical success, and the most professionalism, and cared the most about their product Let's be honest, it was one man and the team he was able to bring together. It wasn't Disney, it was Kevin Feige. People forget Disney didn't come in until Avengers, by then Forge already created something amazing. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 17, 2017 3:27:06 GMT
Yeah, but if anyone argues that, they are a child, or at the very least a troll. Marvel didn't create the shared universe, they just had the most financial success with it. They didn't create it, but they did push the envelope with it and innovated with it more that their predecessors did. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 17, 2017 3:38:02 GMT
And were the best at it, and had the most critical success, and the most professionalism, and cared the most about their product Let's be honest, it was one man and the team he was able to bring together. It wasn't Disney, it was Kevin Feige. People forget Disney didn't come in until Avengers, by then Forge already created something amazing. Ok, I'll agree with that. Feige is a man who has put in place a system that allows each director to have all the resources they need to get the job done right, and it's a machine that has no rival. |
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Post by CowherPowerForever on Nov 17, 2017 3:43:10 GMT
[/quote]Ok, I'll agree with that. Feige is a man who has put in place a system that allows each director to have all the resources they need to get the job done right, and it's a machine that has no rival.
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And his battle was tough. Many don't know that he fought with big time Hollywood producer Avi Avard on the early films. He almost killed it before it started.
I just don't know if we will ever see someone like him again who is willing to lose it all for his vison.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Nov 17, 2017 4:18:51 GMT
It didn't help that they didn't give a solo movie to each member either.
I also think that BvS should've just been a straight adaptation of The Dark Knight Returns. Wonder Woman could've just been a post-credits cameo.
It is what it is. I think they've got a good lineup of directors to headline their next several movies. The DCEU is not dead quite yet.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2017 4:22:36 GMT
I also think that BvS should've just been a straight adaptation of The Dark Knight Returns. Wonder Woman could've just been a post-credits cameo. It is what it is. I think they've got a good lineup of directors to headline their next several movies. The DCEU is not dead quite yet. I don't think they should have tried Batman vs. Superman at all this early in the game. The Dark Knight Returns was about long-standing issues between the two men coming to a head. You can't have long-standing issues with someone you've never met and have only been aware of for a year. And Batman just looks like a big dope falling for Luthor's machinations like that. It might not be dead, but I'd say it just took a punch to the groin from a guy wearing brass knuckles. |
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