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Post by londonbridge115 on Nov 17, 2017 12:36:20 GMT
And this is coming from someone who prefers the MCU, thought BvS was a disaster, and went into the movie expecting the worst.
This movie was good. It wasn't perfect, but it was a solid movie. Thoroughly entertaining. Yes, there could have been some more character development from some of the team. Yes, the villian was pretty one-dimensional. No, I didn't enjoy some of the ways they sexualized WW. But none of these things ruined the movie for me. I honestly had a more enjoyable time seeing this than Ragnarok.
I disagree with the critics on this one. Giving this a solid 8/10.
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Post by scabab on Nov 17, 2017 12:52:38 GMT
From what I'm seeing, people in general seem to be liking it. Far more than Batman vs Superman anyway.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 17, 2017 13:20:34 GMT
From what I'm seeing, people in general seem to be liking it. Far more than Batman vs Superman anyway. That's because it's simplistic and easy to understand with some action. It's the same reason suicide squad sold tickets.
"lowest common denominator" is the review that keeps coming to mind.
And my new favorite from Hannah Woodhead that almost made me fall out of my chair I was laughing so hard, "Mediocrity, Thy name is Justice League"
Basically what they're saying is to call this good, you have to not give a shit about it. It's the lowest possible standard.
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Post by scabab on Nov 17, 2017 13:27:31 GMT
ArArArchStantonOr maybe people are just enjoying it because they find it entertaining. The MCU movies are simplistic, easy to understand and with some action. You've described many blockbusters. You don't need to make excuses for why other people are enjoying a movie that you probably haven't even seen.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 17, 2017 13:30:31 GMT
ArArArchStanton Or maybe people are just enjoying it because they find it entertaining. The MCU movies are simplistic, easy to understand and with some action. You've described many blockbusters. You don't need to make excuses for why other people are enjoying a movie that you probably haven't even seen. No the MCU films are rather intricate actually. Not like this. You're trying to compare Rembrandt to macaroni pictures and calling them both art.
The DCU is a total bust, just stop arguing about it and accept it.
Average DCU film 47. Lowest MCU film 66. Average MCU film 44.
It's not even close dude. Just stop it.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 17, 2017 13:32:13 GMT
And this is coming from someone who prefers the MCU, thought BvS was a disaster, and went into the movie expecting the worst. It's a case of "You've disappointed me one time too many". BvS and Suicide Squad created a negative miasma around the DCEU that's colored peoples' perceptions, so they're more willing to see flaws and stuff.
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Post by miike80 on Nov 17, 2017 13:32:48 GMT
ArArArchStanton Or maybe people are just enjoying it because they find it entertaining. The MCU movies are simplistic, easy to understand and with some action. You've described many blockbusters. You don't need to make excuses for why other people are enjoying a movie that you probably haven't even seen. No the MCU films are rather intricate actually. Not like this. You're trying to compare Rembrandt to macaroni pictures and calling them both art.
The DCU is a total bust, just stop arguing about it and accept it.
Average DCU film 47. Lowest MCU film 66. Average MCU film 44.
It's not even close dude. Just stop it.
Please don't compare superhero movie to Rembrandt.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 17, 2017 13:36:24 GMT
No the MCU films are rather intricate actually. Not like this. You're trying to compare Rembrandt to macaroni pictures and calling them both art.
The DCU is a total bust, just stop arguing about it and accept it.
Average DCU film 47. Lowest MCU film 66. Average MCU film 44.
It's not even close dude. Just stop it.
Please don't compare superhero movie to Rembrandt. Just making the point to use the same word to describe two things that aren't close in an attempt to make them sound equal.
Like calling a 30 point film and a 70 point film both mixed or mediocre. They aren't in the same ballpark. Let's be real.
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Post by scabab on Nov 17, 2017 13:37:09 GMT
ArArArchStantonCritic scores are irrelevant when discussing what audiences like. MCU movies are as straight forward and simple as can be, that doesn't mean they're bad but there's nothing deep about them. They're made so they can be easy to follow to all audiences, children included. Simple plots, straight forward characters, cool looking CGI and action scenes and colourful costumes, that's what they are.
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Post by miike80 on Nov 17, 2017 13:45:14 GMT
ArArArchStanton Or maybe people are just enjoying it because they find it entertaining. The MCU movies are simplistic, easy to understand and with some action. You've described many blockbusters. You don't need to make excuses for why other people are enjoying a movie that you probably haven't even seen. No the MCU films are rather intricate actually. Not like this. You're trying to compare Rembrandt to macaroni pictures and calling them both art.
The DCU is a total bust, just stop arguing about it and accept it.
Average DCU film 47. Lowest MCU film 66. Average MCU film 44.
It's not even close dude. Just stop it.
I'm not saying you would like it or something( i liked BVS, i think i will like this one also), but you should at least watch BVS or JL before criticizing them. I mean, i didn't like any trailer for Ragnarok but i still saw the movie. Didn't like it, it's in my bottom 5 MCU, but at least i saw it
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 17, 2017 13:47:17 GMT
ArArArchStanton Critic scores are irrelevant when discussing what audiences like. MCU movies are as straight forward and simple as can be, that doesn't mean they're bad but there's nothing deep about them. First Avenger was one of the only recent WWII era movies I've seen that bothered pointing out not every German in WWII was a baby-eating Lunatic and that America didn't win the war on its own. I'll take stuff like that over Synder's Jesus symbolism.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Nov 17, 2017 14:00:19 GMT
ArArArchStanton Critic scores are irrelevant when discussing what audiences like. MCU movies are as straight forward and simple as can be, that doesn't mean they're bad but there's nothing deep about them. First Avenger was one of the only recent WWII era movies I've seen that bothered pointing out not every German in WWII was a baby-eating Lunatic and that America didn't win the war on its own. I'll take stuff like that over Synder's Jesus symbolism. Jesus that is absurd - you need to see more WWII war movies it seems, you know ones without laser gun battles in the time of shoah and Hail Hydra crying tomato head-villain cartoons.
May I suggest Valkyrie, Das Boot or Fury or even Inglorious Basterds...?
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Post by chasallnut on Nov 17, 2017 14:16:41 GMT
ArArArchStanton Critic scores are irrelevant when discussing what audiences like. MCU movies are as straight forward and simple as can be, that doesn't mean they're bad but there's nothing deep about them. First Avenger was one of the only recent WWII era movies I've seen that bothered pointing out not every German in WWII was a baby-eating Lunatic and that America didn't win the war on its own. I'll take stuff like that over Synder's Jesus symbolism. Oh dear Lord, please don't bring up First Avenger/ That movie was terrible.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 17, 2017 14:28:33 GMT
It's true though, a movie called "Captain America" is one of the last films you'd expect to remember that America alone didn't win the war and that not every German was a Jew-Hating maniac. You just can't get over that they didn't sell out for a "grounded" film and incorporated stuff from the comics. Which is just lazy. MCU Earth isn't our Earth, don't expect the history to be the same either because that's just lazy. As for those others, I liked Das Boot but didn't care much for Fury or Valkyrie. And I've never been a big Tarantino fan.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 17, 2017 14:29:14 GMT
First Avenger was one of the only recent WWII era movies I've seen that bothered pointing out not every German in WWII was a baby-eating Lunatic and that America didn't win the war on its own. I'll take stuff like that over Synder's Jesus symbolism. Oh dear Lord, please don't bring up First Avenger/ That movie was terrible. I liked it, it's basically "What if the Nazis from Indiana Jones actually found powerful artifacts and weaponized them". If it's good enough for Indiana Jones it's enough for MCU.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 17, 2017 14:57:45 GMT
ArArArchStantonCritic scores are irrelevant when discussing what audiences like. MCU movies are as straight forward and simple as can be, that doesn't mean they're bad but there's nothing deep about them. They're made so they can be easy to follow to all audiences, children included. Simple plots, straight forward characters, cool looking CGI and action scenes and colourful costumes, that's what they are. Some are simple, some not. I do know that MCU movies in general are more complex than the average DC movie but more simple than the average Xmen movie.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 17, 2017 15:13:17 GMT
And this is coming from someone who prefers the MCU, thought BvS was a disaster, and went into the movie expecting the worst. This movie was good. It wasn't perfect, but it was a solid movie. Thoroughly entertaining. Yes, there could have been some more character development from some of the team. Yes, the villian was pretty one-dimensional. No, I didn't enjoy some of the ways they sexualized WW. But none of these things ruined the movie for me. I honestly had a more enjoyable time seeing this than Ragnarok. I disagree with the critics on this one. Giving this a solid 8/10. Agreed. Saw it last night and the critics were much too harsh on this imo. This movie was fun.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 17, 2017 15:23:10 GMT
From what I'm seeing, people in general seem to be liking it. Far more than Batman vs Superman anyway. That's because it's simplistic and easy to understand with some action. It's the same reason suicide squad sold tickets.
"lowest common denominator" is the review that keeps coming to mind.
And my new favorite from Hannah Woodhead that almost made me fall out of my chair I was laughing so hard, "Mediocrity, Thy name is Justice League"
Basically what they're saying is to call this good, you have to not give a shit about it. It's the lowest possible standard.
And this is how I know you're a nut. With "simplistic and easy to understand with some action" you just described EVERY Marvel movie and don't even realize it. As a matter of fact you just described the entire genre of super hero movies. That's not an insult to Marvel or super hero movies. Its just the way of the genre.
You are totally 100% biased and brainwashed. Marvel's done a number on you. And actually enjoying the fact that a movie was poorly reviewed is a sign of being an a@@#013.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 17, 2017 15:27:29 GMT
With "simplistic and easy to understand with some action" you just described A lot of movies that aren't Marvel or DC.
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Post by primeone on Nov 17, 2017 15:28:55 GMT
I agree and I saw it last night. The film is pretty generic, it feels rushed in the beginning, and too much CGI. It was definitely entertaining though. It wasn’t as bad as the reviewers made it seem to be. This is a rewatchable film and I give it a 7/10. The CEO of WB needs to get fired ASAP.
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