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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 17, 2017 15:35:26 GMT
With "simplistic and easy to understand with some action" you just described A lot of movies that aren't Marvel or DC. agreed
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 17, 2017 15:39:10 GMT
A lot of movies that aren't Marvel or DC. agreed And anyways, "Easy to Understand" isn't exactly a bad thing. Lord of the Rings is easy to understand.
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Post by DSDSquared on Nov 17, 2017 15:39:29 GMT
I love the MCU, but what is so intricate about it? I get tired of this almost as much as I get tired of the DCEU movies are mature garbage. These are comic book movies. I love Iron Man and The Winter Soldier. I really like them actually. Still, neither is exactly complicated. These are fun movies. I hear Justice League is fun and I cannot wait to see it. That is all I am hoping for.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 17, 2017 15:44:00 GMT
And anyways, "Easy to Understand" isn't exactly a bad thing. Lord of the Rings is easy to understand. Agreed! We're on a roll
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 17, 2017 15:55:19 GMT
I love the MCU, but what is so intricate about it? I get tired of this almost as much as I get tired of the DCEU movies are mature garbage. These are comic book movies. I love Iron Man and The Winter Soldier. I really like them actually. Still, neither is exactly complicated. These are fun movies. I hear Justice League is fun and I cannot wait to see it. That is all I am hoping for. ^^^THIS^^^
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 17, 2017 16:30:14 GMT
ArArArchStanton Critic scores are irrelevant when discussing what audiences like. MCU movies are as straight forward and simple as can be, that doesn't mean they're bad but there's nothing deep about them. They're made so they can be easy to follow to all audiences, children included. Simple plots, straight forward characters, cool looking CGI and action scenes and colourful costumes, that's what they are. I'm sorry but an average in the 40's is terrible and there's just no getting around that.
You can try to call the MCU films whatever you'd like but they don't average in the 80's for no reason. It's a great series. I can try to explain it to you if you like, but if you're just going to call them simple and dismiss them then that's something you'll be doing without me.
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Post by londonbridge115 on Nov 17, 2017 16:33:27 GMT
I love the MCU, but what is so intricate about it? I get tired of this almost as much as I get tired of the DCEU movies are mature garbage. These are comic book movies. I love Iron Man and The Winter Soldier. I really like them actually. Still, neither is exactly complicated. These are fun movies. I hear Justice League is fun and I cannot wait to see it. That is all I am hoping for. Agreed. The most intricate film from the MCU was The Winter Soldier. Everything else is just fun.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 17, 2017 16:33:55 GMT
No the MCU films are rather intricate actually. Not like this. You're trying to compare Rembrandt to macaroni pictures and calling them both art.
The DCU is a total bust, just stop arguing about it and accept it.
Average DCU film 47. Lowest MCU film 66. Average MCU film 44.
It's not even close dude. Just stop it.
I'm not saying you would like it or something( i liked BVS, i think i will like this one also), but you should at least watch BVS or JL before criticizing them. I mean, i didn't like any trailer for Ragnarok but i still saw the movie. Didn't like it, it's in my bottom 5 MCU, but at least i saw it I've seen enough of the DCU. I've given MOS and SS a chance and I'm not going to sit through more when all the feedback is exactly the same.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 17, 2017 16:36:57 GMT
That's because it's simplistic and easy to understand with some action. It's the same reason suicide squad sold tickets.
"lowest common denominator" is the review that keeps coming to mind.
And my new favorite from Hannah Woodhead that almost made me fall out of my chair I was laughing so hard, "Mediocrity, Thy name is Justice League"
Basically what they're saying is to call this good, you have to not give a shit about it. It's the lowest possible standard.
And this is how I know you're a nut. With "simplistic and easy to understand with some action" you just described EVERY Marvel movie and don't even realize it. As a matter of fact you just described the entire genre of super hero movies. That's not an insult to Marvel or super hero movies. Its just the way of the genre.
You are totally 100% biased and brainwashed. Marvel's done a number on you. And actually enjoying the fact that a movie was poorly reviewed is a sign of being an a@@#013.
I didn't, and you don't realize it.
If thoroughly understanding the direction of a company, respecting their commitment, and appreciating the product is what you're calling biased an brainwashed, then yeah sure. I'm really brainwashed by well made products. how silly of me.
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Post by scabab on Nov 17, 2017 16:54:40 GMT
ArArArchStantonI already know how good they are but it doesn't mean the stories aren't thin and the movies overall are generally simple and easy to digest for people of all ages. It's why they make so much money, mass appeal.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 17, 2017 16:57:37 GMT
ArArArchStanton I already know how good they are but it doesn't mean the stories aren't thin and the movies overall are generally simple and easy to digest for people of all ages. It's why they make so much money, mass appeal. It's more than mass appeal, which is why the critical ratings are so high. You don't get to play this game where you pretend there's no substance to it just because it sells well. You're acting like it's twilight or transformers. just stop it already, it's ridiculous.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 17, 2017 17:00:44 GMT
ArArArchStanton I already know how good they are but it doesn't mean the stories aren't thin and the movies overall are generally simple and easy to digest for people of all ages. It's why they make so much money, mass appeal. You could easily be describing Lord of the Rings when you strip it down enough.
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Post by scabab on Nov 17, 2017 17:32:21 GMT
ArArArchStanton I already know how good they are but it doesn't mean the stories aren't thin and the movies overall are generally simple and easy to digest for people of all ages. It's why they make so much money, mass appeal. It's more than mass appeal, which is why the critical ratings are so high. You don't get to play this game where you pretend there's no substance to it just because it sells well. You're acting like it's twilight or transformers. just stop it already, it's ridiculous.
You're missing the point. What these movies do they do very well which is why they get good reviews. They are still very simple movies though. Being simple doesn't mean it can't have great reviews. Their plots and characters are all very simple, especially the villains. They aren't deep or complex movies, they're fun popcorn movies and that's it.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 17, 2017 17:40:31 GMT
^ Majority of good, money-making blockbusters won't be deep, complex movies. Doesn't exactly mean they're simple.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 17, 2017 17:50:37 GMT
It's more than mass appeal, which is why the critical ratings are so high. You don't get to play this game where you pretend there's no substance to it just because it sells well. You're acting like it's twilight or transformers. just stop it already, it's ridiculous.
Their plots and characters are all very simple, especially the villains. You could be describing Lord of the Rings or Star Wars too, you know.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 17, 2017 18:05:09 GMT
It's more than mass appeal, which is why the critical ratings are so high. You don't get to play this game where you pretend there's no substance to it just because it sells well. You're acting like it's twilight or transformers. just stop it already, it's ridiculous.
You're missing the point. What these movies do they do very well which is why they get good reviews. They are still very simple movies though. Being simple doesn't mean it can't have great reviews. Their plots and characters are all very simple, especially the villains. They aren't deep or complex movies, they're fun popcorn movies and that's it. I didn't miss the point. The point is they are done very well and we have a 17 film comic universe to enjoy not to mention a crap ton of solid TV.
How is saying it's not Citizen Kane a point?
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Post by scabab on Nov 17, 2017 18:38:42 GMT
You're missing the point. What these movies do they do very well which is why they get good reviews. They are still very simple movies though. Being simple doesn't mean it can't have great reviews. Their plots and characters are all very simple, especially the villains. They aren't deep or complex movies, they're fun popcorn movies and that's it. I didn't miss the point. The point is they are done very well and we have a 17 film comic universe to enjoy not to mention a crap ton of solid TV.
How is saying it's not Citizen Kane a point?
Well yeah they are all done well, every movie they've made had been good, some better than others, but they're still all as simple and straight forward as you can get. You have your good guy whose the superhero, a bad guy who is the super villain, he has some evil plan that revolves around money, power or domination, the hero goes through the usual motions and beats the bad guy at the end. None of them are complex, deep or really thought provoking or complex. They're just light and easy to consume entertainment. They're on less simple than DC, they're just better made.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 17, 2017 18:44:10 GMT
I didn't miss the point. The point is they are done very well and we have a 17 film comic universe to enjoy not to mention a crap ton of solid TV.
How is saying it's not Citizen Kane a point?
Well yeah they are all done well, every movie they've made had been good, some better than others, but they're still all as simple and straight forward as you can get. You have your good guy whose the superhero, a bad guy who is the super villain, he has some evil plan that revolves around money, power or domination, the hero goes through the usual motions and beats the bad guy at the end. None of them are complex, deep or really thought provoking or complex. They're just light and easy to consume entertainment. They're on less simple than DC, they're just better made. No they're way more than just being "as simple and straightforward as you can get". That would be what Suicide Squad was.
And marvel has some really strong character moves, such as how both Tony and Steve have evolved.
You're just wrong man.
BTW, Ragnarok just beat Justice League's opening night. Let's just think about that, say it out loud, and try telling me again that there's not a serious problem.
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Post by scabab on Nov 17, 2017 18:55:15 GMT
No they're way more than just being "as simple and straightforward as you can get". That would be what Suicide Squad was.And marvel has some really strong character moves, such as how both Tony and Steve have evolved. You're just wrong man. BTW, Ragnarok just beat Justice League's opening night. Let's just think about that, say it out loud, and try telling me again that there's not a serious problem. Suicide Squad was just as simple, no more or less. Most characters evolved but they're still essentially just simple and straight forward characters, out of all of them Civil War was the best for it because it didn't fully follow the same formula as the others which is probably why it was one of the better ones. This also doesn't really have anything to do with Thor or Justice League's box office so I don't know why you randomly mentioned that.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Nov 17, 2017 18:55:31 GMT
Their plots and characters are all very simple, especially the villains. You could be describing Lord of the Rings or Star Wars too, you know. nope. Star Wars has the most iconic and famous villains, I'm not only talking about Palpatine and Vader, I'm talking about Maul, Jabba, Bobba Fett etc. That's like ignorantraptor defending MCU by obtusely claiming that Shakes never wrote an original thing- Rings has a über-lazy central villain with Sauron, but characters like Gollum or Saruman are villains MCU has not remotely mustered. Their best output was to mess up and YA-ize one of te most iconic mythological villains, Loki. Just check Ranker: Joker may still be nr1 but Vader is 2, Palps 7 and Rings character as of 15. MCU despite it's current popularity nowhere near.
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