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Post by DSDSquared on Nov 29, 2017 14:40:52 GMT
The only character who even comes close to Superman's popularity is Batman. Superman is still more popular than every Marvel character. Saying that Superman has been surpassed by Marvel characters is the same thing as saying Mickey Mouse has been surpassed by Speedy Gonzales. Well it's odd that Marvel characters have out grossed the DC "Holy Trinity" box office wise. I'm simply asking a question but since I know you to be a troll your opinion means less than zero to me. So enjoy posting nonsense. My post was more for realistic fans. I don't want a fan war. Just curious on the question I originally posted. Don't worry about DC Fan. He is a troll. He just posts things as facts when actual facts do not back them up at all. Considering that Spiderman, The X-Men, Iron Man, and Captain America are more popular than Superman now, he is way off. This is actually proven using any metric you wish. Comic books? Yep, Superman is not doing well anymore in that department. Movies? This is not even close.
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Post by scabab on Nov 29, 2017 16:21:19 GMT
Made $2.96 million on Tuesday. A 41% jump which is better than Fantastic Beasts 36.6% jump.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 29, 2017 16:44:17 GMT
Made $2.96 million on Tuesday. A 41% jump which is better than Fantastic Beasts 36.6% jump. Tuesdays are cheap movie night, they're always going to do better than other weekdays.
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Post by pete8680 on Nov 29, 2017 17:17:38 GMT
It's gonna break even deal with it MC fanboys.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 29, 2017 17:20:46 GMT
It's gonna break even deal with it MC fanboys. For a film like JL, even breaking even is awful.
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Post by cricket on Nov 29, 2017 17:26:00 GMT
It's gonna break even deal with it MC fanboys. So, this is what the party is about: "It's gonna break even". Ha, ha, ha, ha.... Let the mediocrity celebration begins!!!
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Post by scabab on Nov 29, 2017 17:54:43 GMT
Made $2.96 million on Tuesday. A 41% jump which is better than Fantastic Beasts 36.6% jump. Tuesdays are cheap movie night, they're always going to do better than other weekdays. Yep, that's been the norm for a few years now. Means it'll have a bigger drop tomorrow. Maybe $1.9 million or so. Still a bit than expected which was was about $2.8 million for today. So it's made about as much as the first Captain America now then. Should be around Ant-man and Thor's gross come Thursday.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 29, 2017 20:42:40 GMT
Tuesdays are cheap movie night, they're always going to do better than other weekdays. Yep, that's been the norm for a few years now. Means it'll have a bigger drop tomorrow. Maybe $1.9 million or so. Still a bit than expected which was was about $2.8 million for today. So it's made about as much as the first Captain America now then. Should be around Ant-man and Thor's gross come Thursday. Dang...for a movie starring DC's big guns all together that isn't good.
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Post by scabab on Nov 29, 2017 21:24:28 GMT
Yeah it's struggling alright, looks like it might make a similar amount to Doctor Strange or something.
Worldwide it might be around $500 million, it could have hit that number either Tuesday or Wednesday.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 1:55:32 GMT
Okay.............. Was not expecting this.
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Post by harpospoke on Nov 30, 2017 5:10:54 GMT
I've seen a few complaints in regards to the marketing campaign possibly being a big reason to it's less than stellar performance. A lot of mentions of them being dumb for leaving Superman off the posters and the promo's. So I'm curious, how much of a difference do any of you think Superman really would of made? I figured that Batman and Wonder Woman in the marketing and having SuperMan's symbol in the "You Cant Save The World Alone" in there would be enough to tell you Supes is in it. But as far as I'm concerned Superman isn't as popular these days as he used to be so I'm curious am I wrong in that statement? He was a huge deal it seems when Reeves was playing him but it seems his popularity has been surpassed by other characters like Batman and now possibly a few Marvel characters I never thought I'd see. I personally hate the character so I might be ignorant to his remaining popularity so I am asking if he really would of made that much of a bigger deal if he was always included in the posters and promo's. Well he made $668,045,518 in 2013 so that's pretty big. ...And that was with a poorly reviewed movie that divided audiences. But WB couldn't win there. People criticized them for leaving Supes out....now people are criticizing Marvel for showing what happens to Vision in their new trailer for IW. Fans will complain either way. I kind of admire that they left it out. Although just about everyone online knew that Supes was coming back, it may have been a pleasant surprise for some audience members. Just imagine how cool it would have been to discover the Hulk was in Thor 3 in the theater instead of the trailer? ...But there is no way they could leave that out of the promotion unfortunately.
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Post by dazz on Nov 30, 2017 8:35:44 GMT
He's the most famous but he'd always seemed to struggle since Superman 2. Superman 3 flopped, Superman 4 bombed, Superman Returns disappointed, Man of Steel did alright but not as well as expected, Batman vs Superman was profitable but again disappointed and now Justice League is also flopping right now. Batman always had a lot more success. Actually not true, only 1 Superman film has outright failed, where as 2 Batman films flopped, and they were back to back films, yet Batman was given more chances and an ever increasing budget despite TDK's turn of fortune the films had been seeing a clear decline in audiences, whilst with Superman the second the piles of cash started getting smaller at the box office so did the budgets.
Batman just got more chances to turn it's fortune around, also why is Superman seemingly to blame for the joint films not working out so well? Superman wasn't even advertised for JL, but Batman sure was so shouldn't the stumble of JL be on Batman more so than Superman?
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Post by scabab on Nov 30, 2017 11:03:55 GMT
What was the second Batman flop?
Superman and Superman 2 did really well but then Superman 3 only made half as much. Superman 4 was a huge bomb that made next to nothing.
People are saying Justice League could lose a lot of money what with it costing $300 million and it looking to make a little over twice that much. So Superman Returns must have lost a huge amount of money considering it cost $270 million and it didn't even make $400 million. There was no sequel so that failed as well.
Man of Steel probably just about scrapped a profit.
Then you have Batman and Batman 89, Batman Returns and Batman Forever were all very successful, they each made opening weekend record and were amongst the most successful movies of their year.
Batman and Robin flopped but it still made a good amount of money. Batman Begins made almost as much as Superman Returns while costing about half as much.
The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises each made a billion, The Dark Knight also made the opening weekend record.
There's not much of a comparison at all. It's true though that Superman isn't particularly to blame for the joint movies though.
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Post by dazz on Nov 30, 2017 14:43:12 GMT
Batman & Robin cost $125m before marketing and didn't clear $250m so that's an outright flop, Batman Begins made $370m ish but cost a combined $250m with production and marketing, Superman Returns cost $300m with marketing & actual production, over $60m of it's $260 "cost" is the tacked on developmental expenses of the Superman films from the 90's that never saw the light of day, so Batman Begins & Superman Returns are only $50m apart in real cost, but Superman Returns made almost $400m at the box office, so whilst Begins was the lesser of the 2 money losers were talking a difference of under $40m.
Superman 3 & 4 both doubled their budgets outright and at a time when marketing cost were minimal, like a couple million dollars compared to the 10's-100's of millions of $ today or in the mid 00's, Superman 3 cost $39m to make but made over $80m, Superman 4 cost $17m and made over $36m, they weren't hits but they weren't bombs or even flops they just weren't success's.
TDK is what turned things around for Batman as a money franchise but only because WB gave it a shot to build off of the good foundation Batman Begins built, instead of having to reinvent itself or retcon past problems like MOS & Returns each had to do, which is funny the 2 films that give Batman the edge are the films that Batman has been given to succeed in that Superman hasn't had.
Keep in mind with Superman when the receipts came back with less money than the last time the next films budget got slashed back in the 80's, hell even Superman 2 was cheaper than Superman 1, but no Batman film has ever cost less than the one that came before it, that's been a steady increase regardless of box office success or failure, success or failure seems inconsequential to Batman being given more chances, where as even success for Superman is met with "hmm could be more profitable" regardless of how well it does.
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Post by scabab on Nov 30, 2017 15:56:37 GMT
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Post by ShadowSouL on Dec 1, 2017 7:16:15 GMT
Batman Begins and Superman Returns made far less than the Star Wars prequel trilogy, the Lord of the Rings trilogy, the Spider-Man movies, the Iron Man movies, the Hobbit trilogy, the Avengers movies, the second and third Captain America movies, and the third Thor movie.
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Post by politicidal on Dec 1, 2017 14:56:58 GMT
So worldwide gross being somewhere between Man of Steel and Suicide Squad then?
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Post by scabab on Dec 1, 2017 16:18:47 GMT
It dropped just 1% on Thursday. So all in all, it actually held pretty well from Monday to Thursday. Again it's the same as what Fantastic Beasts made just prior to an $18.1 million weekend but I expect Justice League won't make that much. So worldwide gross being somewhere between Man of Steel and Suicide Squad then? It might not even make as much as Man of Steel worldwide yet.
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 1, 2017 17:05:04 GMT
It dropped just 1% on Thursday. So all in all, it actually held pretty well from Monday to Thursday. Again it's the same as what Fantastic Beasts made just prior to an $18.1 million weekend but I expect Justice League won't make that much. So worldwide gross being somewhere between Man of Steel and Suicide Squad then? It might not even make as much as Man of Steel worldwide yet. Last Jedi will be out soon, that'll be the killing blow.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 17:26:35 GMT
It dropped just 1% on Thursday. So all in all, it actually held pretty well from Monday to Thursday. Again it's the same as what Fantastic Beasts made just prior to an $18.1 million weekend but I expect Justice League won't make that much. It might not even make as much as Man of Steel worldwide yet. Last Jedi will be out soon, that'll be the killing blow. All this talk of "decent holds" and "Oh, it's done okay this week," etc. is is patronizing at best. Not outgrossing MoS and Doctor Strange is now a real possibility. This is an epic disaster for the DCEU. This movie should have at least managed BvS numbers and would have done so if it was any good. It isn't even going to gross $700 million worldwide at this point. Some people don't appear either ready or willing to recognize the true level of this movie's failure. 
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