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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 3, 2017 17:03:59 GMT
No! No rebooting! They can continue, they just need to make better films. Wonder Woman was a good step, so I say take that direction. There's a real problem with that though. The audience has given up. Here's the problem
If you keep going and make a better film, you are going to convince a small portion of that audience to come back.
If you start over, publically commit to a better direction, and make a better film, you will convince a much larger portion to come back.
If they continue on, the current DCEU is just poisoning every new project.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 3, 2017 17:05:44 GMT
A reboot is coming. We will hear it's official once JL's run in theaters is done. There's no point in admitting defeat while they're still trying to squeeze blood out of this rock. Just like we'll hear Affleck is officially out as Batman. He can't drop out until the run is done. I don't think they have a choice. I'm not sure how they'll handle Wonder Woman exactly, but I'd be shocked if they try to maintain this continuity. The audience is not invested in it, so unlike Marvel your films aren't selling your other films, and that's a problem. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2017 17:08:59 GMT
None of the DCEU movies have lost money though, except for probably this one. I was just watching John Campea's daily video and his comments on "Mad Max," illustrate my point perfectly. He was asked whether or not there would be a sequel and part of his response was to point out that "Mad Max" lost money in theaters." And that is the way the success or failure of a movie was always judged and still is judged going by Campea's comment.......unless of course a DCEU movie is being discussed, in which case we need to take into account streaming revenue, DVD sales, product placement, toy sales, money found down the back of the sofa, money made from selling Wonder Woman's used panties on Ebay, money from Superman's life insurance policy etc.etc.etc........extrapolating the list back as far as it needs to go in order for the movie not to lose money. It's pathetic.  |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 3, 2017 17:16:46 GMT
It's running on fumes already. Another 61% drop for the week. Compare that to Ragnarok which has an average week to week drop of just 47%.
Forbes has it barely getting to 650, and honestly if you look at it, 8 mil next weekend? then 4, 3, 2, 1 is 18, double that for the weekday total is being extremely generous for 36, and double again to include the world wide for 72. It really doesn't have much more left than that if any, and that puts it at 640. It's not going to get to 700, and that is extremely embarrassing, even if it manages to avoid the added embarrassment of losing to The Dark World at 644 and Doctor Strange at 677. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 3, 2017 17:22:50 GMT
None of the DCEU movies have lost money though, except for probably this one. I was just watching John Campea's daily video and his comments on "Mad Max," illustrate my point perfectly. He was asked whether or not there would be a sequel and part of his response was to point out that "Mad Max" lost money in theaters." And that is the way the success or failure of a movie was always judged and still is judged going by Campea's comment.......unless of course a DCEU movie is being discussed, in which case we need to take into account streaming revenue, DVD sales, product placement, toy sales, money found down the back of the sofa, money made from selling Wonder Woman's used panties on Ebay, money from Superman's life insurance policy etc.etc.etc........extrapolating the list back as far as it needs to go in order for the movie not to lose money. It's pathetic. Where can you find those panties on Ebay? I tried looking :-l
The point is, even if you can limbo your way to showing this film actually profited, you still can't avoid that it came up nearly a billion short of what it should have. If it could have been another Avengers, and let's even say it could have gotten to 1.2 billion on the best of days. I think DC fans would argue higher, but let's just say 1.2. That is over 500 million dollars set on fire. If you series is coming up half a billion dollars short of expectations, that's a problem.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2017 17:28:56 GMT
It's running on fumes already. Another 61% drop for the week. Compare that to Ragnarok which has an average week to week drop of just 47%.
Forbes has it barely getting to 650, and honestly if you look at it, 8 mil next weekend? then 4, 3, 2, 1 is 18, double that for the weekday total is being extremely generous for 36, and double again to include the world wide for 72. It really doesn't have much more left than that if any, and that puts it at 640. It's not going to get to 700, and that is extremely embarrassing, even if it manages to avoid the added embarrassment of losing to The Dark World at 644 and Doctor Strange at 677. Failure to outgross MoS would be the coup de grace IMO.  |
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Post by scabab on Dec 3, 2017 17:32:07 GMT
It's a 59.7% drop.
In the same realm as the 59.8% drop that Fantastic Beasts and lighter than the 63.7% and 61.3% drops of the Mockingjay movies on their post Thanksgiving weekend. So perfectly normal.
If it also follows those movies pattern next weekend then it should gross close to $10 million. It's fourth weekend gross will be similar to Thor Ragnarok's fifth weekend gross, putting it simply.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 3, 2017 17:32:41 GMT
It's running on fumes already. Another 61% drop for the week. Compare that to Ragnarok which has an average week to week drop of just 47%.
Forbes has it barely getting to 650, and honestly if you look at it, 8 mil next weekend? then 4, 3, 2, 1 is 18, double that for the weekday total is being extremely generous for 36, and double again to include the world wide for 72. It really doesn't have much more left than that if any, and that puts it at 640. It's not going to get to 700, and that is extremely embarrassing, even if it manages to avoid the added embarrassment of losing to The Dark World at 644 and Doctor Strange at 677. Failure to outgross MoS would be the coup de grace IMO. I don't see how it can at this point. It's a total fucking failure. There has to be a panic going out about what the fuck to do. DC has become a poisonous brand name, and that's not a joke. |
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Post by sostie on Dec 3, 2017 17:35:49 GMT
It's at $567 million worldwide. Supposedly it's also going to be the first $100 million grosser in China. First in what respect. Over 20 films have topped the $100m mark in China so far this year. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 3, 2017 17:36:02 GMT
It's a 59.7% drop. In the same realm as the 59.8% drop that Fantastic Beasts and lighter than the 63.7% and 61.3% drops of the Mockingjay movies on their post Thanksgiving weekend. So perfectly normal. If it also follows those movies pattern next weekend then it should gross close to $10 million. It's fourth weekend gross will be similar to Thor Ragnarok's fifth weekend gross, putting it simply. It really doesn't matter at this point. It will be lucky to pass The Dark World, Doctor Strange, or MOS and has failed to reach it's potential by at least $500 million, and probably closer to a billion. You don't lose out on that much money without being a failure, and we know audiences have abandoned the DC Brand. It's a poisonous brand name now. |
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Dec 3, 2017 17:37:29 GMT
None of the DCEU movies have lost money though, except for probably this one. I was just watching John Campea's daily video and his comments on "Mad Max," illustrate my point perfectly. He was asked whether or not there would be a sequel and part of his response was to point out that "Mad Max" lost money in theaters." And that is the way the success or failure of a movie was always judged and still is judged going by Campea's comment.......unless of course a DCEU movie is being discussed, in which case we need to take into account streaming revenue, DVD sales, product placement, toy sales, money found down the back of the sofa, money made from selling Wonder Woman's used panties on Ebay, money from Superman's life insurance policy etc.etc.etc........extrapolating the list back as far as it needs to go in order for the movie not to lose money. It's pathetic. The difference is Mad Max is actually a good film, and was nominated for Best Picture. Still I wouldn't make a Mad Max sequel if I'm WB. |
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Post by scabab on Dec 3, 2017 17:37:51 GMT
mobile.twitter.com/GiteshPandya"$35.7M intl wknd (-50%) for #JusticeLeague boosting cume to $370.1M. Global tally now $567.4M. In China, JL has now surpassed BvS & #WonderWoman at $98.5M & breaking $100M there this wk. Other top intl mkts: Brazil $31.2M, Mexico $21.7M & UK $20.2M. Final in $700M range likely." I'm not sure if that's optimistic because that seems quite a bit more than I thought. They know far better than I would though.
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Post by scabab on Dec 3, 2017 17:40:16 GMT
First in what respect. Over 20 films have topped the $100m mark in China so far this year. Oh sorry, first DCEU movie, surely the first DC movie in general actually to make over $100 million. Supposedly it's done quite well as that it actually opened lower than Batman vs Superman. The lack of competition has helped. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2017 17:43:08 GMT
I was just watching John Campea's daily video and his comments on "Mad Max," illustrate my point perfectly. He was asked whether or not there would be a sequel and part of his response was to point out that "Mad Max" lost money in theaters." And that is the way the success or failure of a movie was always judged and still is judged going by Campea's comment.......unless of course a DCEU movie is being discussed, in which case we need to take into account streaming revenue, DVD sales, product placement, toy sales, money found down the back of the sofa, money made from selling Wonder Woman's used panties on Ebay, money from Superman's life insurance policy etc.etc.etc........extrapolating the list back as far as it needs to go in order for the movie not to lose money. It's pathetic.
Where can you find those panties on Ebay? I tried looking :-l Brett Ratner bought them for his private collection.
The point is, even if you can limbo your way to showing this film actually profited, you still can't avoid that it came up nearly a billion short of what it should have. If it could have been another Avengers, and let's even say it could have gotten to 1.2 billion on the best of days. I think DC fans would argue higher, but let's just say 1.2. That is over 500 million dollars set on fire. If you series is coming up half a billion dollars short of expectations, that's a problem.Obviously, anyone with half a brain cell can see what a disaster JL has had at the BO. My point is that no other movies need a forensic accountant on standby before you can discuss their BO success/failure.  |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 3, 2017 17:45:54 GMT
Where can you find those panties on Ebay? I tried looking :-l Brett Ratner bought them for his private collection.
The point is, even if you can limbo your way to showing this film actually profited, you still can't avoid that it came up nearly a billion short of what it should have. If it could have been another Avengers, and let's even say it could have gotten to 1.2 billion on the best of days. I think DC fans would argue higher, but let's just say 1.2. That is over 500 million dollars set on fire. If you series is coming up half a billion dollars short of expectations, that's a problem.Obviously, anyone with half a brain cell can see what a disaster JL has had at the BO. My point is that no other movies need a forensic accountant on standby before you can discuss their BO success/failure. Well they're desperate to say it didn't lose money. I don't know why because it doesn't make a difference, it's a failure regardless of whether it scrapes into the black or not. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2017 17:46:51 GMT
Where can you find those panties on Ebay? I tried looking :-l Brett Ratner bought them for his private collection.
The point is, even if you can limbo your way to showing this film actually profited, you still can't avoid that it came up nearly a billion short of what it should have. If it could have been another Avengers, and let's even say it could have gotten to 1.2 billion on the best of days. I think DC fans would argue higher, but let's just say 1.2. That is over 500 million dollars set on fire. If you series is coming up half a billion dollars short of expectations, that's a problem.Obviously, anyone with half a brain cell can see what a disaster JL has had at the BO. My point is that no other movies need a forensic accountant on standby before you can discuss their BO success/failure. I just read that lack of competition helped JL out... Can you imagine how... neh not gonna finish this one. No need to kick someone who is already on the ground. #teamcolden |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 3, 2017 17:48:35 GMT
Brett Ratner bought them for his private collection.
The point is, even if you can limbo your way to showing this film actually profited, you still can't avoid that it came up nearly a billion short of what it should have. If it could have been another Avengers, and let's even say it could have gotten to 1.2 billion on the best of days. I think DC fans would argue higher, but let's just say 1.2. That is over 500 million dollars set on fire. If you series is coming up half a billion dollars short of expectations, that's a problem.Obviously, anyone with half a brain cell can see what a disaster JL has had at the BO. My point is that no other movies need a forensic accountant on standby before you can discuss their BO success/failure. I just read that lack of competition helped JL out... Can you imagine how... neh not gonna finish this one. No need to kick someone who is already on the ground. #teamcolden Can you imagine if WW wasn't as big of a hit as it was? I'm kicking. Anybody who didn't realize how big of a disaster the DCEU was from the start had it coming so I don't feel bad. |
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Post by sostie on Dec 3, 2017 17:51:59 GMT
First in what respect. Over 20 films have topped the $100m mark in China so far this year. Oh sorry, first DCEU movie, surely the first DC movie in general actually to make over $100 million. Supposedly it's done quite well as that it actually opened lower than Batman vs Superman. The lack of competition has helped. It's possible. JL has a earned a little more than Wonder Woman did in its 3rd week. But, after it's third week Wonder Woman only earned about $7m over 6 weeks. BvS $1.5m over two weeks (it seems BvS only had a five week run compared to WW 9 week). Both seemed to plummet and fall short of the 100, and BvS had a stronger opening than JL. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2017 17:52:40 GMT
It's at $567 million worldwide. Supposedly it's also going to be the first $100 million grosser in China. What do you mean by - "the first $100 million grosser in China"? |
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Post by scabab on Dec 3, 2017 18:00:20 GMT
It's possible. JL has a earned a little more than Wonder Woman did in its 3rd week. But, after it's third week Wonder Woman only earned about $7m over 6 weeks. BvS $1.5m over two weeks (it seems BvS only had a five week run compared to WW 9 week). Both seemed to plummet and fall short of the 100, and BvS had a stronger opening than JL. China is a hugely frontloaded market so it won't keep on going for much longer but it'll likely make several more million. Also according to this www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&country=CH&id=superman2015.htmBvS opened to $55 million and made $95 million. Justice League opened to $50 million and has so far made $98.5 million. What do you mean by - "the first $100 million grosser in China"? First DC movie I meant to say. |
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