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Post by scabab on Dec 25, 2017 14:58:10 GMT
Massive 75% drop in US. Worldwide it's at $646 million so it's passed Thor Dark World. It will pass $650 million but any chance of passing Man of Steel has all but gone now. Fantastic Beasts made a little shy of $230 million at the domestic box office and Justice League is still on course for matching that. It's the foreign box office that will have to pick up the slack now. Overseas is almost over with. They're saying it will finish around $660 million now.
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Post by politicidal on Dec 25, 2017 17:52:19 GMT
Fantastic Beasts made a little shy of $230 million at the domestic box office and Justice League is still on course for matching that. It's the foreign box office that will have to pick up the slack now. Overseas is almost over with. They're saying it will finish around $660 million now. All they have next year is Aquaman. They should spend the rest of that time 'downsizing'.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Dec 25, 2017 23:22:19 GMT
Hopefully WB will learn from this.
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Post by dnno1 on Dec 27, 2017 2:30:54 GMT
Hopefully WB will learn from this. They already knew what the outcome would be as to why they released the film in November.
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Post by DSDSquared on Dec 28, 2017 14:46:24 GMT
Well I might buy another ticket for this one since I liked it about 10x more than the horrible Star Wars movie. Need something to clean my palette. This is seriously insane. Star Wars was so much better than Justice League it is a joke.
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Post by scabab on Dec 28, 2017 14:59:13 GMT
Well I might buy another ticket for this one since I liked it about 10x more than the horrible Star Wars movie. Need something to clean my palette. This is seriously insane. Star Wars was so much better than Justice League it is a joke. Ehh not really.
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Post by DSDSquared on Dec 28, 2017 15:15:25 GMT
This is seriously insane. Star Wars was so much better than Justice League it is a joke. Ehh not really. Yes really. Better in EVERY way. Better acting. Better special effects. Better villain. Better story. I could go on. Nothing about Justice League was even in the same league.
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Post by scabab on Dec 28, 2017 17:14:11 GMT
Yes really. Better in EVERY way. Better acting. Better special effects. Better villain. Better story. I could go on. Nothing about Justice League was even in the same league. And then it was worse in terms of character portrayals, pacing, action sequences, humour and bizarre plot points that either were pointless or came to an abrupt dead end.
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Post by DSDSquared on Dec 28, 2017 17:37:34 GMT
Yes really. Better in EVERY way. Better acting. Better special effects. Better villain. Better story. I could go on. Nothing about Justice League was even in the same league. And then it was worse in terms of character portrayals, pacing, action sequences, humour and bizarre plot points that either were pointless or came to an abrupt dead end. Character portrayals? You mean like the laughably terrible Aquaman? "My man!!!" Or the very awkward acted Flash? Or maybe the 'amazing' villain Steppenwolf? The action is not even a contest. The first 15 minute space battle in Star Wars was better than the entire JL movie.
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Post by DC-Fan on Dec 29, 2017 7:04:57 GMT
Yes really. Better in EVERY way. Better acting. Better special effects. Better villain. Better story. I could go on. Nothing about Justice League was even in the same league. And then it was worse in terms of character portrayals, pacing, action sequences, humour and bizarre plot points that either were pointless or came to an abrupt dead end. Yep, JL is definitely better than TLJ. TLJ is the 1st Star Wars movie that I found disappointing. For 2 years, we had this big buildup: How is Rey so powerful with the Force? Is Rey a Skywalker? How did Snoke become so powerful? Is Snoke a former Sith Lord? Thought that TLJ would answer most or all of those questions, but it didn't answer any of them (except for who Rey's parents really were).
And Disney thought that turning Star Wars into an MCU-like movie would be a good thing, but it made it worse. Leia suddenly having superpowers and being able to basically "fly" through space? Making lightsabers move or levitating rocks is 1 thing, but Leia was freaking flying through space.
And Poe. Civil War turned Captain America into a villain and a tyrant who thought he alone knows better than the elected representatives of the people what is best for the people and all the MCU fans loved it. So Disney had Poe mutiny against his superior officers and Poe decided that he alone knew what was the best strategic plan for the Rebellion.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Dec 29, 2017 10:28:24 GMT
Well I might buy another ticket for this one since I liked it about 10x more than the horrible Star Wars movie. Need something to clean my palette. This is seriously insane. Star Wars was so much better than Justice League it is a joke. Maybe for you, but for me The Last Jedi was the biggest let down in the cinema this year. At least with Justice League there wasn't much of a high expectation.
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Post by DSDSquared on Dec 29, 2017 12:40:51 GMT
This is seriously insane. Star Wars was so much better than Justice League it is a joke. Maybe for you, but for me The Last Jedi was the biggest let down in the cinema this year. At least with Justice League there wasn't much of a high expectation. That doesn't make Justice League better. Seriously, anyone who thinks this just has terrible taste in movies. There is nothing Justice League did better than The Last Jedi. Seriously nothing.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Dec 29, 2017 13:18:50 GMT
Maybe for you, but for me The Last Jedi was the biggest let down in the cinema this year. At least with Justice League there wasn't much of a high expectation. That doesn't make Justice League better. Seriously, anyone who thinks this just has terrible taste in movies. There is nothing Justice League did better than The Last Jedi. Seriously nothing. It's called an opinion. I thought Justice League was a more fun movie than TLJ. TALK may have had a better director, but it wasn't enough to save it from the writing. Justice League suffered heavily from studio interference.
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Post by cricket on Dec 29, 2017 13:31:40 GMT
That doesn't make Justice League better. Seriously, anyone who thinks this just has terrible taste in movies. There is nothing Justice League did better than The Last Jedi. Seriously nothing. I think some people just don't understand the difference between not liking a movie because it failed to meet your expectations, it failed to prove your fanfic theories and it failed to comply with your wet dreams; and clearly not liking a movie because it is plainly bad. While I try to respect other people opinions, I see that most of the TLJ criticism is derived or caused for not fallowing any of the popular fanbase speculations and theories. So, no, Rey is not a Kenobi, or a Skywalker or a Palpatine. No, Snoke is not Mace Windu. I can go on. People wanted the movie they imagined, so now they feel robbed. Meanwhile Justice League is pure and stinky crap.
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Post by DSDSquared on Dec 29, 2017 13:33:08 GMT
That doesn't make Justice League better. Seriously, anyone who thinks this just has terrible taste in movies. There is nothing Justice League did better than The Last Jedi. Seriously nothing. It's called an opinion. I thought Justice League was a more fun movie than TLJ. TALK may have had a better director, but it wasn't enough to save it from the writing. Justice League suffered heavily from studio interference. Justice League is not more fun. The acting and writing was terrible and the CGI was a joke. Steppenwolf was a terrible villain and Aquaman was awful.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Dec 29, 2017 14:02:19 GMT
It's called an opinion. I thought Justice League was a more fun movie than TLJ. TALK may have had a better director, but it wasn't enough to save it from the writing. Justice League suffered heavily from studio interference. Justice League is not more fun. The acting and writing was terrible and the CGI was a joke. Steppenwolf was a terrible villain and Aquaman was awful. I agree with you on Steppenwolf, he's easily the Snoke of the DCEU If I go by my rating, which I gave Justice League a 7 and TLJ a 6.5, Justice League for me was the better film, at least in entertainment value.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Dec 29, 2017 17:59:46 GMT
And then it was worse in terms of character portrayals, pacing, action sequences, humour and bizarre plot points that either were pointless or came to an abrupt dead end. Yep, JL is definitely better than TLJ. TLJ is the 1st Star Wars movie that I found disappointing. For 2 years, we had this big buildup: How is Rey so powerful with the Force? Is Rey a Skywalker? How did Snoke become so powerful? Is Snoke a former Sith Lord? Thought that TLJ would answer most or all of those questions, but it didn't answer any of them (except for who Rey's parents really were).
And Disney thought that turning Star Wars into an MCU-like movie would be a good thing, but it made it worse. Leia suddenly having superpowers and being able to basically "fly" through space? Making lightsabers move or levitating rocks is 1 thing, but Leia was freaking flying through space.
And Poe. Civil War turned Captain America into a villain and a tyrant who thought he alone knows better than the elected representatives of the people what is best for the people and all the MCU fans loved it. So Disney had Poe mutiny against his superior officers and Poe decided that he alone knew what was the best strategic plan for the Rebellion.
You weren't disappointed by any of the prequels? Dude, I liked Justice League, but I would not go as far as to say its better than TLJ, it doesn't even feel like an organic follow up to its predecessors in tone, character, and story. And it has even more unanswered questions than TLJ - How come Bruce's grim version of the future in BvS wasn't really addressed in Justice League? That was how he became introduced to Barry and the parademons, but it's never spoken of in the movie. We only get something of it when he uses Lois as "the big guns" if Superman isn't in the best state of mind after his resurrection but that's it. That vision in BvS is what motivated him to try to kill Superman and definitely was a factor when he went to save his Earth-mom, seemed like a pretty big deal at the time so what stopped him from telling Diana, Barry, or even Alfred? Why did Superman attack Wonder Woman and Batman after his resurrection and almost kill Bruce? Bruce and him made up, and all three worked together to stop Doomsday. Was Superman really dead or just on death's door? Because we're told that he is in the movie but we see there's still life kicking in him at the end of BvS when the dirt levitates above his coffin. What if bringing in Lois didn't do anything to calm Supes down, what would Bruce's next option be? How come Steppenwolf looked different in JL than he did in BvS? Why wasn't Luthor's relation to Steppenwolf revealed? You're a Star Wars fan? Then you should know that Leia is one with the force. It's suggested in Empire and confirmed in Return of the Jedi. Over the years there have been plenty of stories in the old and the new( and officially canon) expansive universes that she continues to develop her use of the force via training with Luke after the events of Return of the Jedi. Plenty of "what-if" stories say that she has it in her to rival Luke's power. Poe was right, the resistance was basically playing sitting duck and didn't act before it was too late and it did more damage than good. And there you go again with your whole "Captain America is an evil tyrant in the MCU" garbage...Do you really believe yourself or are you trolling? Either way, hand over your geek card - if it even exists.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Dec 29, 2017 18:07:09 GMT
And then it was worse in terms of character portrayals, pacing, action sequences, humour and bizarre plot points that either were pointless or came to an abrupt dead end. Yep, JL is definitely better than TLJ. TLJ is the 1st Star Wars movie that I found disappointing. For 2 years, we had this big buildup: How is Rey so powerful with the Force? Is Rey a Skywalker? How did Snoke become so powerful? Is Snoke a former Sith Lord? Thought that TLJ would answer most or all of those questions, but it didn't answer any of them (except for who Rey's parents really were).
And Disney thought that turning Star Wars into an MCU-like movie would be a good thing, but it made it worse. Leia suddenly having superpowers and being able to basically "fly" through space? Making lightsabers move or levitating rocks is 1 thing, but Leia was freaking flying through space.
And Poe. Civil War turned Captain America into a villain and a tyrant who thought he alone knows better than the elected representatives of the people what is best for the people and all the MCU fans loved it. So Disney had Poe mutiny against his superior officers and Poe decided that he alone knew what was the best strategic plan for the Rebellion.
Dude, Poe was in the right. Admiral Tumblr had no fucking idea what she was doing and it got people killed. I fucking hated her character, Rhian Johnson and Kathleen Kennedy had to be on some kind of drugs when they thought her creation was a good idea. Leia should have had the screen time they took. Don't get me started on that retarded Finn and Rose side adventure.
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Post by DC-Fan on Dec 30, 2017 4:26:02 GMT
You weren't disappointed by any of the prequels? The original trilogy was better than the prequels, but I didn't dislike the prequels. I liked Justice League, but I would not go as far as to say its better than TLJ It is. JL is much better than TLJ. it has even more unanswered questions than TLJ - How come Bruce's grim version of the future in BvS wasn't really addressed in Justice League? It was. Oh, you missed it. I'll explain it to you. 1st, Bruce tells Diana that there's a war coming. Bruce knew that because of the Knightmare in BvS. 2nd, Flash traveled back in time in BvS to tell Bruce that "Lois is the key". So when they were talking about bringing back Superman using the Mother Box and Aquaman said you better know what you're doing, Batman said he had a contingency plan in case things went bad. The contingency plan was Lois, which ties back to Flash's warning in BVS. Why did Superman attack Wonder Woman and Batman after his resurrection and almost kill Bruce? People who have been in a coma often have temporary memory loss. The memory doesn't come back all at once. It usually comes back in bits and pieces. Superman had just been resurrected so he had temporary memory loss and could only remember bits and pieces when he first woke up. He attacked them because Cyborg fired a pulse cannon at him so he interpreted that as an attack against him and his first instinct was to fight back. Bruce and him made up, and all three worked together to stop Doomsday. Like I explained, he had temporary memory loss and could only remember bits and pieces when he first woke up. Was Superman really dead or just on death's door? Because we're told that he is in the movie but we see there's still life kicking in him at the end of BvS when the dirt levitates above his coffin. Kryptonian's are like solar batteries on Earth. Their cells absorb sunlight and convert that sunlight into energy (similar to photosynthesis in plants). That's how they get their power. That's also why they still have power at night when there's no sunlight (because their cells stored the sunlight they absorbed during the day). Like batteries, sometimes they appear to be "dead", but the just need a "jump-start" to re-energize (like when Superman was hit with the nuclear missile in BvS and appeared to be 'dead" but exposure to the sun healed his wounds and re-energized him). In JL, the power of the Mother Box "jump-started" him. What if bringing in Lois didn't do anything to calm Supes down, what would Bruce's next option be? Batman probably still has some leftover kryptonite, but that would be a last resort. How come Steppenwolf looked different in JL than he did in BvS? Because that image of Steppenwolf in BvS was from the scout ship's database. That scout ship crashed on Earth thousands of years ago so that image of Steppenwolf is from thousands of years ago. Why wasn't Luthor's relation to Steppenwolf revealed? What relationship? Luthor never met Steppenwolf. Luthor only saw an image of Steppenwolf in the Kryptonian archives stored on the scout ship. It would be like us seeing a statue of Julius Caesar. you should know that Leia is one with the force. It's suggested in Empire and confirmed in Return of the Jedi. Over the years there have been plenty of stories in the old and the new( and officially canon) expansive universes that she continues to develop her use of the force via training with Luke after the events of Return of the Jedi. Plenty of "what-if" stories say that she has it in her to rival Luke's power. Luke has never "flown" through space like that. No Jedi has ever done that. Like I said, it's 1 thing to be able to move lightsabers or levitate rocks or create lightning blasts. But "flying" through space like that - that's like Superman or Green Lantern territory. Poe was right, the resistance was basically playing sitting duck and didn't act before it was too late and it did more damage than good. Wasn't the reason the First Order knew their plan of going to Craite was because Poe sent Finn and Rose to find a Benicio del Toro and they told Benicio del Toro the plan and Benicio de Toro betrayed them? That would be Poe's fault. Poe thought he knew what was the best strategic plan for the Rebellion but it was his mutiny that fucked up the Rebels. there you go again with your whole "Captain America is an evil tyrant in the MCU" garbage...Do you really believe yourself or are you trolling?
It's not garbage and I'm not a troll. But since you MCU fans blindly worship Cap even thogh he was clearly a tyrant, answer this question:
If the police chased a criminal through a crowded market and got into a shootout with the criminal and dozens of innocent bystanders got killed as collateral damage during the shootout, wouldn't you say that the police need better oversight and need to be held accountable for their reckless actions?
Yet, when Cap and the Avengers chase Crossbones through a crowded market and dozens of people in the building get killed as a result of the Avengers' actions, Cap still refuses to submit to oversight and still refuses to be held accountable for the Avengers' actions and thinks that he alone should decide what's best for the people (like a tyrant does), how can anyone defend that tyrannical behavior by Cap?
Cap claimed "The safest hands are our own." That's BULLSHIT! The Avengers just killed dozens of people in that building who wouldn't have been killed if not for the reckless actions of the Avengers. Simply put, those dozens of people died on the Avengers' watch, more specifically on Cap's watch since Cap was in command of the Avengers at the time.
So clearly the Avengers need oversight and should not be allowed to just exercise their power without any regard for innocent bystanders. Yet Cap still refuses to submit to oversight and still refuses to be held accountable for the Avengers' actions because he's a power-hungry tyrant who doesn't want to answer to the people. How can anyone defend that tyrannical behavior by Cap?
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Dec 30, 2017 6:17:16 GMT
You weren't disappointed by any of the prequels? The original trilogy was better than the prequels, but I didn't dislike the prequels. I liked Justice League, but I would not go as far as to say its better than TLJ It is. JL is much better than TLJ. it has even more unanswered questions than TLJ - How come Bruce's grim version of the future in BvS wasn't really addressed in Justice League? It was. Oh, you missed it. I'll explain it to you. 1st, Bruce tells Diana that there's a war coming. Bruce knew that because of the Knightmare in BvS. 2nd, Flash traveled back in time in BvS to tell Bruce that "Lois is the key". So when they were talking about bringing back Superman using the Mother Box and Aquaman said you better know what you're doing, Batman said he had a contingency plan in case things went bad. The contingency plan was Lois, which ties back to Flash's warning in BVS. Why did Superman attack Wonder Woman and Batman after his resurrection and almost kill Bruce? People who have been in a coma often have temporary memory loss. The memory doesn't come back all at once. It usually comes back in bits and pieces. Superman had just been resurrected so he had temporary memory loss and could only remember bits and pieces when he first woke up. He attacked them because Cyborg fired a pulse cannon at him so he interpreted that as an attack against him and his first instinct was to fight back. Bruce and him made up, and all three worked together to stop Doomsday. Like I explained, he had temporary memory loss and could only remember bits and pieces when he first woke up. Was Superman really dead or just on death's door? Because we're told that he is in the movie but we see there's still life kicking in him at the end of BvS when the dirt levitates above his coffin. Kryptonian's are like solar batteries on Earth. Their cells absorb sunlight and convert that sunlight into energy (similar to photosynthesis in plants). That's how they get their power. That's also why they still have power at night when there's no sunlight (because their cells stored the sunlight they absorbed during the day). Like batteries, sometimes they appear to be "dead", but the just need a "jump-start" to re-energize (like when Superman was hit with the nuclear missile in BvS and appeared to be 'dead" but exposure to the sun healed his wounds and re-energized him). In JL, the power of the Mother Box "jump-started" him. What if bringing in Lois didn't do anything to calm Supes down, what would Bruce's next option be? Batman probably still has some leftover kryptonite, but that would be a last resort. How come Steppenwolf looked different in JL than he did in BvS? Because that image of Steppenwolf in BvS was from the scout ship's database. That scout ship crashed on Earth thousands of years ago so that image of Steppenwolf is from thousands of years ago. Why wasn't Luthor's relation to Steppenwolf revealed? What relationship? Luthor never met Steppenwolf. Luthor only saw an image of Steppenwolf in the Kryptonian archives stored on the scout ship. It would be like us seeing a statue of Julius Caesar. you should know that Leia is one with the force. It's suggested in Empire and confirmed in Return of the Jedi. Over the years there have been plenty of stories in the old and the new( and officially canon) expansive universes that she continues to develop her use of the force via training with Luke after the events of Return of the Jedi. Plenty of "what-if" stories say that she has it in her to rival Luke's power. Luke has never "flown" through space like that. No Jedi has ever done that. Like I said, it's 1 thing to be able to move lightsabers or levitate rocks or create lightning blasts. But "flying" through space like that - that's like Superman or Green Lantern territory. Poe was right, the resistance was basically playing sitting duck and didn't act before it was too late and it did more damage than good. Wasn't the reason the First Order knew their plan of going to Craite was because Poe sent Finn and Rose to find a Benicio del Toro and they told Benicio del Toro the plan and Benicio de Toro betrayed them? That would be Poe's fault. Poe thought he knew what was the best strategic plan for the Rebellion but it was his mutiny that fucked up the Rebels. there you go again with your whole "Captain America is an evil tyrant in the MCU" garbage...Do you really believe yourself or are you trolling?
It's not garbage and I'm not a troll. But since you MCU fans blindly worship Cap even thogh he was clearly a tyrant, answer this question:
If the police chased a criminal through a crowded market and got into a shootout with the criminal and dozens of innocent bystanders got killed as collateral damage during the shootout, wouldn't you say that the police need better oversight and need to be held accountable for their reckless actions?
Yet, when Cap and the Avengers chase Crossbones through a crowded market and dozens of people in the building get killed as a result of the Avengers' actions, Cap still refuses to submit to oversight and still refuses to be held accountable for the Avengers' actions and thinks that he alone should decide what's best for the people (like a tyrant does), how can anyone defend that tyrannical behavior by Cap?
Cap claimed "The safest hands are our own." That's BULLSHIT! The Avengers just killed dozens of people in that building who wouldn't have been killed if not for the reckless actions of the Avengers. Simply put, those dozens of people died on the Avengers' watch, more specifically on Cap's watch since Cap was in command of the Avengers at the time.
So clearly the Avengers need oversight and should not be allowed to just exercise their power without any regard for innocent bystanders. Yet Cap still refuses to submit to oversight and still refuses to be held accountable for the Avengers' actions because he's a power-hungry tyrant who doesn't want to answer to the people. How can anyone defend that tyrannical behavior by Cap? Prove it then. What makes the directing, acting, and storytelling so much better than The Last Jedi? And no nitpicks, just explain why JL plays better with the basic rules of story and filmmaking than The Last Jedi did. I missed nothing. Bruce tells Diana a war is coming, but doesn't mention his vision of the future because...? He was being pretty vague with her. Yeah, Barry traveled back in time to warn Bruce and Bruce used Lois in case Supes went nuts, so why didn't he tell Barry? He just shows up and asks for help, but doesn't tell him a whole lot but the bare bones. Barry totally deserves to know this, it could help him improve with his experiments with the speed force later down the road. Can you cite examples as extreme as Superman's was? I can get behind Superman attacking Cyborg, Aquaman, and Flash because he's never met them before, but Diana and Bruce? Why? Bruce did set out to kill him in BvS, but Clark didn't, he tried to get him to stop and listen and once he did he saved Martha from Luthor's mercenaries. The two immediately got along and with Diana they formed a pretty effective unit to stop Doomsday despite their lack of teamwork. He has no reason to attack either of them. The real explanation here is lazy writing. Snyder's original cut at least gave a better explanation as to how to resurrect him and it fit well with what was established in Man of Steel and BvS (Having the codex in his DNA system), but WB re-tooled it and made the mother-box as to why he could only come back. I guess it works, but it's still a quick and cheap way out of this situation. Oh, you 'think'? So its a-ok if you provide your own explanation to how and why certain things happen in a movie but if somebody disagrees or provides their own they're wrong? Is that how it works? Your explanation would only work if we had seen it in the movie, since we didn't and the fact that in BvS Bruce's supply of kryptonite was extremely limited I don't think the scenario is too likely. We saw a flashback thousands of years ago of Steppenwolf on Earth, and he looked just the same then and he did in contemporary times. Newsflash - you don't need to meet someone to have a relationship. A relationship can be something that relates to a person, event, situation, or object. The way Lex acted in BvS, the way he was presented when the authorities came for him, and how he spoke to Batman in his cell clearly indicates that he was exposed to some pretty strong stuff in that ship, or even before for all we know. Leia never flew, she used the force to pull her back to the ship. And some jedi have used the force to such extreme degrees in past Star Wars related media - comics, tv, games, books, etc. It's not Poe's fault DJ betrayed Finn and Rose, he didn't tell them to find him the one who told them his identity was Maz Kanata who did. You also miss the point of what the story was trying to say - both sides of a war can make good and bad decisions, there is no clear white and black in all of it. Nobody has all the answers and can fix everything - which is why Rey's hopes for Kylo to turn to the light failed, and why despite Kylo's hopes Rey didn't go to the Empire. I am not going to get into your "Cap is an evil, bloodthirsty tyrant!" crap, you've been called out before on this and proven to be a fool who must be either trolling or has serious issues.
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