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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Nov 28, 2017 18:27:46 GMT
I'm sorry, but if it doesn't even make as much as Batman v Superman, it has to be considered a flop. With three of the most popular characters in pop culture, (I'd even put Flash up there as well) there's no reason why it can't break a billion. This is DC's 5th film. The MCU did it with their 6th film with The Avengers, yet look at the films before it. Iron Man was arguably their only really money maker at the time. The first Thor film was somewhat dull, didn't really make him an interesting character the first time around. Same with The First Avenger. They're both forgettable. And Iron Man 2 and the Incredible Hulk both got mixed responses and nowhere near the critical acclaim as like Wonder Woman. But they still managed to break a billion. There's no reason why Justice League couldn't have. They're at 480 some million right now worldwide. They're barely just making profit right now with a 300 plus budget.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2017 19:31:02 GMT
I think that Andre Cedeno aside, the whole world has accepted it is a flop now.  |
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Post by scabab on Nov 28, 2017 20:05:24 GMT
I'm sorry, but if it doesn't even make as much as Batman v Superman, it has to be considered a flop. With three of the most popular characters in pop culture, (I'd even put Flash up there as well) there's no reason why it can't break a billion. This is DC's 5th film. The MCU did it with their 6th film with The Avengers, yet look at the films before it. Iron Man was arguably their only really money maker at the time. The first Thor film was somewhat dull, didn't really make him an interesting character the first time around. Same with The First Avenger. They're both forgettable. And Iron Man 2 and the Incredible Hulk both got mixed responses and nowhere near the critical acclaim as like Wonder Woman. But they still managed to break a billion. There's no reason why Justice League couldn't have. They're at 480 some million right now worldwide. They're barely just making profit right now with a 300 plus budget. It wouldn't have needed to make a billion. Batman vs Superman cost $250 million and made $873 million and made over $100 million in profit. So Justice League could have got away with $800 or so million. Supposedly it needed like $750 million? To break even. It won't make that much either so it is a flop but it wouldn't have needed a billion. This was never really like The Avengers. They made Iron Man, Hulk, Thor and Captain America all separately first and then brought them together for the first time. That had never been done to that extent before. Justice League wasn't doing the same. Batman vs Superman already brought the main characters together for the first time. That movie already had all the Justice League characters in it already so Justice League didn't really do anything that new aside from shift the screen time around. Of course Cyborg, Aquaman and The Flash never even had a movie so it wasn't gonna benefit from that either. A more accurate comparison would have been to Civil War. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2017 20:06:31 GMT
I'm sorry, but if it doesn't even make as much as Batman v Superman, it has to be considered a flop. With three of the most popular characters in pop culture, (I'd even put Flash up there as well) there's no reason why it can't break a billion. This is DC's 5th film. The MCU did it with their 6th film with The Avengers, yet look at the films before it. Iron Man was arguably their only really money maker at the time. The first Thor film was somewhat dull, didn't really make him an interesting character the first time around. Same with The First Avenger. They're both forgettable. And Iron Man 2 and the Incredible Hulk both got mixed responses and nowhere near the critical acclaim as like Wonder Woman. But they still managed to break a billion. There's no reason why Justice League couldn't have. They're at 480 some million right now worldwide. They're barely just making profit right now with a 300 plus budget. Since Wonder Woman was more or less a copy of the TFA it's kind of forgettable too, wouldn't you say? |
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Post by cricket on Nov 28, 2017 20:43:58 GMT
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Post by Spike Del Rey on Nov 28, 2017 21:50:57 GMT
I'm sorry, but if it doesn't even make as much as Batman v Superman, it has to be considered a flop. With three of the most popular characters in pop culture, (I'd even put Flash up there as well) there's no reason why it can't break a billion. This is DC's 5th film. The MCU did it with their 6th film with The Avengers, yet look at the films before it. Iron Man was arguably their only really money maker at the time. The first Thor film was somewhat dull, didn't really make him an interesting character the first time around. Same with The First Avenger. They're both forgettable. And Iron Man 2 and the Incredible Hulk both got mixed responses and nowhere near the critical acclaim as like Wonder Woman. But they still managed to break a billion. There's no reason why Justice League couldn't have. They're at 480 some million right now worldwide. They're barely just making profit right now with a 300 plus budget. It wouldn't have needed to make a billion. Batman vs Superman cost $250 million and made $873 million and made over $100 million in profit. So Justice League could have got away with $800 or so million. Supposedly it needed like $750 million? To break even. It won't make that much either so it is a flop but it wouldn't have needed a billion. This was never really like The Avengers. They made Iron Man, Hulk, Thor and Captain America all separately first and then brought them together for the first time. That had never been done to that extent before. Justice League wasn't doing the same. Batman vs Superman already brought the main characters together for the first time. That movie already had all the Justice League characters in it already so Justice League didn't really do anything that new aside from shift the screen time around. Of course Cyborg, Aquaman and The Flash never even had a movie so it wasn't gonna benefit from that either. A more accurate comparison would have been to Civil War. He wasn't saying it needed a billion to turn a profit, he was saying there was no reason for it not reach that mark, considering it IS DC's version of The Avengers. You can spin it however you like, but that's a fair assessment especially considering higher ticket prices now than in 2012. Your comparison to Civil War doesn't hold up either, as it cleared a billion even though we'd seen all the characters together twice before that. |
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Post by scabab on Nov 28, 2017 22:22:58 GMT
Your comparison to Civil War doesn't hold up either, as it cleared a billion even though we'd seen all the characters together twice before that. Well that's the comparison. By the time Civil War came out we'd already seen these characters together before. Same was true with Justice League because they'd already brought the main heroes, Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman together in Batman vs Superman which also had the three Justice League characters in it (briefly). |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2017 23:15:23 GMT
It's weird how BvS was "never going to be as big as Justice League" and now, Justice League, "was never going to be as big as BvS."  |
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 29, 2017 1:32:12 GMT
It's weird how BvS was "never going to be as big as Justice League" and now, Justice League, "was never going to be as big as BvS." And apparently, neither "will be as big as Thor Ragnarok". |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 2:49:56 GMT
Justice League is the most dissapointing block buster at the box office ever.
It will end up making just over one turd euh third of the movie that it is a direct competitor of while having more iconic characters.
And the funny thing is, it really isnt that bad.
Man people have lost faith in WB/DC. Only the few extremists remain.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 29, 2017 3:10:08 GMT
Justice League is the most dissapointing block buster at the box office ever. Eh...there have been worse. This I agree on, DC's biggest characters in their first big adventure and they lose to Thor and the Hulk. That's also correct. The film's merely mediocre...and that's one of the biggest crimes one can commit after the hype. Let's hope they haven't Batman and Robin'ed themselves once again. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 29, 2017 5:49:13 GMT
Supposedly it needed like $750 million? To break even.
The break-even is $600 million, not $750 million. Anything above $600 million is profit.
variety.com/2017/film/news/justice-league-dc-reviews-box-office-ben-affleck-1202615975/
When tens of millions of dollars in worldwide marketing and distribution costs are added in, “Justice League” would have to bring in a lofty sum of around $600 million from ticket sales alone and additional revenue from ancillaries like pay-TV and home entertainment in order to turn a profit.
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Post by harpospoke on Nov 29, 2017 6:13:46 GMT
They could probably have got away with not having Green Lantern but not having Superman in the marketing affected this badly. But still...the first ever JL movie and no GL. Opportunity lost. I have no idea if they will ever do another one. I'm admit I'm biased because GL is my 3rd favorite DC character. |
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Post by harpospoke on Nov 29, 2017 6:20:23 GMT
Justice League is the most dissapointing block buster at the box office ever. It will end up making just over one turd euh third of the movie that it is a direct competitor of while having more iconic characters. And the funny thing is, it really isnt that bad. Man people have lost faith in WB/DC. Only the few extremists remain. I went and saw it again so I'm trying to help. The worst part is I think DC is going in the right direction with this one and the box office says the opposite. WB made changes in response to the previous DCU movies so there is no telling what will happen for this one. The only thing I would change is to make the Flash like the TV show (including the actor) and bring in GL post haste for more cosmic potential. Too bad Affleck might not be back, I thought he did a great job. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 6:33:14 GMT
I've seen a few complaints in regards to the marketing campaign possibly being a big reason to it's less than stellar performance. A lot of mentions of them being dumb for leaving Superman off the posters and the promo's. So I'm curious, how much of a difference do any of you think Superman really would of made? I figured that Batman and Wonder Woman in the marketing and having SuperMan's symbol in the "You Cant Save The World Alone" in there would be enough to tell you Supes is in it. But as far as I'm concerned Superman isn't as popular these days as he used to be so I'm curious am I wrong in that statement? He was a huge deal it seems when Reeves was playing him but it seems his popularity has been surpassed by other characters like Batman and now possibly a few Marvel characters I never thought I'd see. I personally hate the character so I might be ignorant to his remaining popularity so I am asking if he really would of made that much of a bigger deal if he was always included in the posters and promo's.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 29, 2017 9:21:36 GMT
He was a huge deal it seems when Reeves was playing him but it seems his popularity has been surpassed by other characters like Batman and now possibly a few Marvel characters The only character who even comes close to Superman's popularity is Batman. Superman is still more popular than every Marvel character. Saying that Superman has been surpassed by Marvel characters is the same thing as saying Mickey Mouse has been surpassed by Speedy Gonzales. |
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Post by sostie on Nov 29, 2017 10:05:26 GMT
He was a huge deal it seems when Reeves was playing him but it seems his popularity has been surpassed by other characters like Batman and now possibly a few Marvel characters The only character who even comes close to Superman's popularity is Batman. Superman is still more popular than every Marvel character. Saying that Superman has been surpassed by Marvel characters is the same thing as saying Mickey Mouse has been surpassed by Speedy Gonzales. Well Superman's Box Office has been surpassed by Batman and many Marvel characters, as has recent comic sales (no Superman title in the top 20 sales of last month...plenty of Batman & Marvel though)...I think there is a good argument to say you a wrong |
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Post by scabab on Nov 29, 2017 10:51:13 GMT
He's the most famous but he'd always seemed to struggle since Superman 2.
Superman 3 flopped, Superman 4 bombed, Superman Returns disappointed, Man of Steel did alright but not as well as expected, Batman vs Superman was profitable but again disappointed and now Justice League is also flopping right now.
Batman always had a lot more success.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 29, 2017 13:31:49 GMT
He's the most famous but he'd always seemed to struggle since Superman 2. Superman 3 flopped, Superman 4 bombed, Superman Returns disappointed, Man of Steel did alright but not as well as expected, Batman vs Superman was profitable but again disappointed and now Justice League is also flopping right now. Batman always had a lot more success. Superman 2 wasn't even that good to his character if you think about all the unheroic stuff he does in that film. But both Superman and Batman have done real damage to the CBM genre. Superman with "Quest for Peace" and Batman with "Batman and Robin". Both set back the genre for quite a while. Superman's technically responsible for female CBMs not being considered a good idea after the thrashing the Supergirl movie did to it. Meanwhile, Marvel's characters are rising in popularity. They just have the disadvantage of coming decades after DC's do DC merely has a "got here first" advantage. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 14:24:03 GMT
He was a huge deal it seems when Reeves was playing him but it seems his popularity has been surpassed by other characters like Batman and now possibly a few Marvel characters The only character who even comes close to Superman's popularity is Batman. Superman is still more popular than every Marvel character. Saying that Superman has been surpassed by Marvel characters is the same thing as saying Mickey Mouse has been surpassed by Speedy Gonzales. Well it's odd that Marvel characters have out grossed the DC "Holy Trinity" box office wise. I'm simply asking a question but since I know you to be a troll your opinion means less than zero to me. So enjoy posting nonsense. My post was more for realistic fans. I don't want a fan war. Just curious on the question I originally posted. |
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