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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2017 18:08:08 GMT
Can you imagine if WW wasn't as big of a hit as it was? I'm kicking. Anybody who didn't realize how big of a disaster the DCEU was from the start had it coming so I don't feel bad. Exactly. WB deserves this. They let Snyder get way too far into pre production on JL before BvS came out with a huge fart. They didn't pull the plug. They're just the worst. And now the brand is fucked. They have been laughing to themselves about how it doesn't matter what garbage they release, people will still pay to see it. Not any more. All the good will has run dry.   |
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Post by harpospoke on Dec 3, 2017 20:50:17 GMT
I'm not sure how they can even consider trying to continue the DCEU at this point.
TDW has a 66 RT score, which is fresh of course, and is actually the lowest of the MCU films in terms of RT. It has a lot of really great scenes in it, but is generally considered not quite as inspired as most of the other 16 MCU films, and many listing it as their least favorite.
But at $646 million total box office, it is actually in a good position to beat Justice League which according to Forbes' recent article, may struggle to get to 650. On top of that, TDW has an RT score a full 25 Points higher. That's 61% higher.
I just can't see how a result like this gives them any ability to continue. They have to start over. That might not be necessary. They already kinda did a reboot with JL and it worked fine for me. They pretended certain things from BvS never happened. (Fox does stuff like that all the time) They've got a loved WW movie already and if they can get an Aquaman movie into the 180-200m range then that's a good foundation for building up some characters. (think the first Cap and Thor movies) I think DC's problem was always that they were top heavy with characters. Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman...then it kinda falls off a cliff. They are building up the Flash with the TV show but are not even using that version of the character at all in the movies. Like...it's a totally different character. I don't get that. Gonna confuse audiences. And bring back Hal Jordan. The movie flopped but it did make him a well known character (if only for the jokes). |
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 3, 2017 21:03:18 GMT
I'm not sure how they can even consider trying to continue the DCEU at this point.
TDW has a 66 RT score, which is fresh of course, and is actually the lowest of the MCU films in terms of RT. It has a lot of really great scenes in it, but is generally considered not quite as inspired as most of the other 16 MCU films, and many listing it as their least favorite.
But at $646 million total box office, it is actually in a good position to beat Justice League which according to Forbes' recent article, may struggle to get to 650. On top of that, TDW has an RT score a full 25 Points higher. That's 61% higher.
I just can't see how a result like this gives them any ability to continue. They have to start over. That might not be necessary. They already kinda did a reboot with JL and it worked fine for me. They pretended certain things from BvS never happened. (Fox does stuff like that all the time) They've got a loved WW movie already and if they can get an Aquaman movie into the 180-200m range then that's a good foundation for building up some characters. (think the first Cap and Thor movies) I think DC's problem was always that they were top heavy with characters. Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman...then it kinda falls off a cliff. They are building up the Flash with the TV show but are not even using that version of the character at all in the movies. Like...it's a totally different character. I don't get that. Gonna confuse audiences. And bring back Hal Jordan. The movie flopped but it did make him a well known character (if only for the jokes). As with everything else in the DCEU, they can just look at the MCU as a blueprint for "How do we do a Space Hero?" for GL. Look at the Guardians and try to do it straight instead of comedic. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 3, 2017 21:13:24 GMT
I'm not sure how they can even consider trying to continue the DCEU at this point.
TDW has a 66 RT score, which is fresh of course, and is actually the lowest of the MCU films in terms of RT. It has a lot of really great scenes in it, but is generally considered not quite as inspired as most of the other 16 MCU films, and many listing it as their least favorite.
But at $646 million total box office, it is actually in a good position to beat Justice League which according to Forbes' recent article, may struggle to get to 650. On top of that, TDW has an RT score a full 25 Points higher. That's 61% higher.
I just can't see how a result like this gives them any ability to continue. They have to start over. That might not be necessary. They already kinda did a reboot with JL and it worked fine for me. They pretended certain things from BvS never happened. (Fox does stuff like that all the time) They've got a loved WW movie already and if they can get an Aquaman movie into the 180-200m range then that's a good foundation for building up some characters. (think the first Cap and Thor movies) I think DC's problem was always that they were top heavy with characters. Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman...then it kinda falls off a cliff. They are building up the Flash with the TV show but are not even using that version of the character at all in the movies. Like...it's a totally different character. I don't get that. Gonna confuse audiences. And bring back Hal Jordan. The movie flopped but it did make him a well known character (if only for the jokes). The thing is they can't just pretend. They have to publically divorce themselves of what they've done or else it will continue to be an anchor.
Aquaman isn't going to establish a foundation. The foundation is already cracked.
But I do agree, that DC's problem is they are top heavy, and I don't think they can get around that. I don't think anybody can seriously imagine them doing a DC universe without Superman & Batman and that's the problem. They don't have enough to compete on the same scale.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Dec 4, 2017 12:31:12 GMT
No! No rebooting! They can continue, they just need to make better films. Wonder Woman was a good step, so I say take that direction. There's a real problem with that though. The audience has given up. Here's the problem
If you keep going and make a better film, you are going to convince a small portion of that audience to come back.
If you start over, publically commit to a better direction, and make a better film, you will convince a much larger portion to come back.
If they continue on, the current DCEU is just poisoning every new project.
The problem with that is if you constantly keep rebooting, you run a major risk of CBM fatigue with the general audience. They're currently filming Aquaman, so I say work on making that a good film. And if that fails than best case scenario is WB puts the franchise on hold. Worse case scenario they put DC up for sale. |
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Post by cricket on Dec 4, 2017 13:51:57 GMT
Brett Ratner bought them for his private collection.
The point is, even if you can limbo your way to showing this film actually profited, you still can't avoid that it came up nearly a billion short of what it should have. If it could have been another Avengers, and let's even say it could have gotten to 1.2 billion on the best of days. I think DC fans would argue higher, but let's just say 1.2. That is over 500 million dollars set on fire. If you series is coming up half a billion dollars short of expectations, that's a problem.Obviously, anyone with half a brain cell can see what a disaster JL has had at the BO. My point is that no other movies need a forensic accountant on standby before you can discuss their BO success/failure.  Well they're desperate to say it didn't lose money. I don't know why because it doesn't make a difference, it's a failure regardless of whether it scrapes into the black or not. Exactly! Just this weekend: First they said, after the 16.5M weekend, "it's come above expectations" when in reality the weekend estimates started with 17M, then lowered to 15.8 and then up to 16.58M. The reality is that the number is still bellow the expectations (17M, remember). Misinformation, anyone? Second, ... says it went up a "few millions". My math cannot show me how is a change from 15.8M to 16.58M a few millions, in fact there isn't even one million there. So, is this some kind of self optimism, delusion or just wanting to annoy adversaries on purpose (Gosh, these guys are well versed on Box Office numbers)? |
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Post by DSDSquared on Dec 4, 2017 14:54:29 GMT
Everyone keeps talking about the solo Aquaman movie. I really believe it has potential to be the worst of the DCEU movies, which is really saying something. Aquaman was TERRIBLE in Justice League. As bad as BvS was, I still enjoyed Wonder Woman and thought she was a great character. Not the same with Aquaman in JL. His underwater scenes were a joke and he was a joke.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 15:16:00 GMT
Everyone keeps talking about the solo Aquaman movie. I really believe it has potential to be the worst of the DCEU movies, which is really saying something. Aquaman was TERRIBLE in Justice League. As bad as BvS was, I still enjoyed Wonder Woman and thought she was a great character. Not the same with Aquaman in JL. His underwater scenes were a joke and he was a joke. Aquabro was a complete joke in JL. The prospects of the Aquabro movie depend on how much faith you have in James Wan and how much faith you have that the idiot suits will leave him alone. For me, Wan has yet to make a bad movie, so the Aquabro movie should at least be okay as long as his work isn't interfered with too greatly. |
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Post by harpospoke on Dec 4, 2017 18:42:16 GMT
Everyone keeps talking about the solo Aquaman movie. I really believe it has potential to be the worst of the DCEU movies, which is really saying something. Aquaman was TERRIBLE in Justice League. As bad as BvS was, I still enjoyed Wonder Woman and thought she was a great character. Not the same with Aquaman in JL. His underwater scenes were a joke and he was a joke. The underwater scenes got a lot of criticism from fans. WB has shown that they hear that stuff and react to it so I think that will change for the AM movie. The "air bubble" thing in particular isn't going to be there. I'm trying to remember how it looked in Finding Nemo. I don't recall the water being irritating to my eyes like it was in JL. Just do what Pixar did. |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 4, 2017 19:11:02 GMT
But YOU don't HAVE to make the choice to be an @$$hole about it. You can choose humility. We get it, Thor made more money than JL.
You didn't see me making posts and threads about how Wonder Woman beat Guardians of the Galaxy AND Spiderman: Homecoming. I cheered Wonder Woman on without it being at the expense of MCU movies. Look it up. You wont find any threads or posts from me cheering Wonder Woman on at the expense of MCU or ANY movies.
Now, how exactly does Thor doing better than JL make your life better? Other than that, like a child, you can now say "See?! I told you?!" Has Disney/Marvel kicked back some money your way or something?
And by the way, having seen JL I can honestly say it was nowhere near as bad as the critics said. Bad word of mouth ruined this movies chances. The theatre I saw it in was full, there was a lot laughter, and there was even some cheering. Yep, cheering. And 90% of the audience stayed to see the final/final post credit scene at which point there was some more cheering. So go figure.
I could choose humility, but instead I'm chosing honesty.
Well WW is a competent flick so I wouldn't have any issues with it beating Guardians or Spiderman. Both of those have higher global totals though, and even higher opening weekends and so I'm assuming you're only talking about domestic totals?
What's going on here is that Justice League's failure validates the people who were trying to tell you there were serious problems with the DCEU, and so many of the fans put their fingers in their ears and buried their head in the sand. You don't get to do that and then not hear "we told you so". You should have been listening all along and perhaps the filmmakers would have listened and made better films . Then you wouldn't be in this position at all.
What ruined this movie is how bad DC has been. Everything about it has turned people away, and it's no longer able to be denied. DC Fans need to hear that, and they need to accept it.
AAAAARRRRRCCCCCHHHHH!!! You're back, buddy! Good to see you!
.....Now, what were you saying?........
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Post by scabab on Dec 5, 2017 0:39:07 GMT
Actuals went up, only $70,000 domestically but a more notable $1.7 million overseas.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2017 0:51:53 GMT
$650 million - under or over?  |
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Post by scabab on Dec 5, 2017 1:34:04 GMT
$650 million - under or over? At the moment it looks like it would go over. Gitesh Pandya said a $700 million final is likely. That seems a bit higher than others are predicting though. It has got the Xmas holidays coming up which should help it. It depends how much Star Wars takes away from it. It could do with being over $610 million by Sunday. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2017 5:02:41 GMT
$650 million - under or over? At the moment it looks like it would go over. Gitesh Pandya said a $700 million final is likely. That seems a bit higher than others are predicting though. It has got the Xmas holidays coming up which should help it. It depends how much Star Wars takes away from it. It could do with being over $610 million by Sunday. When was that estimate made? I don't see it getting that high. My guesstimate for after the weekend is something like $600 - $605 million. Adding another $95 million to that total would be tough. |
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Post by scabab on Dec 5, 2017 5:19:02 GMT
At the moment it looks like it would go over. Gitesh Pandya said a $700 million final is likely. That seems a bit higher than others are predicting though. It has got the Xmas holidays coming up which should help it. It depends how much Star Wars takes away from it. It could do with being over $610 million by Sunday. When was that estimate made? I don't see it getting that high. My guesstimate for after the weekend is something like $600 - $605 million. Adding another $95 million to that total would be tough. It was made the other day, on December 3rd when they posted the latest overseas figures. |
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Post by ShadowSouL on Dec 5, 2017 5:19:52 GMT
$650 million - under or over? Over, under. |
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Post by ShadowSouL on Dec 5, 2017 5:20:42 GMT
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If you start over, publically commit to a better direction, and make a better film, you will convince a much larger portion to come back.
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Like Batman Begins?
Like Superman Returns?
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 5, 2017 12:06:33 GMT
If you want to see something hilarious, read back through any Youtube channel or thread post here or elsewhere where people are trying to predict the box office total for this film. People are just so sure it would get a billion plus, talking to people who say it might not like they're crazy.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 5, 2017 12:10:26 GMT
== If you start over, publically commit to a better direction, and make a better film, you will convince a much larger portion to come back. == Like Batman Begins? Like Superman Returns? Batman Begins established trust so that TDK could reap the benefits, so yeah, exactly like that.
Superman Returns didn't work for the same reason no movie with Superman works well. It's Superman. I know DC Fans have trouble with this, but he's the most boring superhero I can imagine. Not only is he generic, but they admit to you on screen what the other big problem is by using kryptonite or "a different atmosphere" every time. His powers are ridiculous. Soooo kryptonite. How exciting.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2017 12:47:58 GMT
If you want to see something hilarious, read back through any Youtube channel or thread post here or elsewhere where people are trying to predict the box office total for this film. People are just so sure it would get a billion plus, talking to people who say it might not like they're crazy. Does DC's "failure" bring you the most pleasure in life? I mean seriously. We all know you're an MCU fanatic of the worst kind. But honestly to get this much joy that you do because of another companies failure is really pathetic. Please, post 13 more Justice League box office threads because you want to prove a point that only comes off as you being a tool. I have zero interest in seeing Justice League however unlike you I seem to be a grown adult and feel no need to make threads about it. Seriously, this bullshit "feud" is so fucking stupid. I find the lot of you to all be the worst thing about this board. Screw you, DC Fan, Weird Raptor, LukeFilms, fuck there are too many to name at this point. Just know that you all seriously suck. I expect this post to be edited by somebody but honestly it shouldn't. Some people need to hear the truth. |
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