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Post by The Herald Erjen on Nov 19, 2017 5:54:33 GMT
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Post by scienceisgod on Nov 19, 2017 6:47:35 GMT
Before or after he blessed that Lamborghini and put a McDonnalds in the Vatican?
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Post by progressiveelement on Nov 19, 2017 13:18:54 GMT
Before or after he blessed that Lamborghini and put a McDonnalds in the Vatican? The founder of Lamborghini was Catholic. He was also a key factor in the development of post-WW2 Italian farming machinery that helped boost the nation's agricultural recovery. That McDonald's gave away free burgers to homeless people. 😇😇
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Post by progressiveelement on Nov 19, 2017 13:42:52 GMT
This is the sub that is missing
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Nov 19, 2017 16:29:21 GMT
This is the sub that is missing What? No tech specs? You must have been in a hurry this time.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2017 17:14:16 GMT
The Argentinian navy has been in a terrible state for a long time now. Successive governments have starved the military of money, to the point where ships are barely functional, the air force has completely given up on owning any fast jets, etc. Such a scenario is a bad place to be if you're running submarines. Submarines are not forgiving environments for cost cutting and a lack of training. At best, this boat has lost power and surfaced. If so it's drifting around somewhere and will be found, sooner or later. At worst... it's at the bottom of the Atlantic. Oh, and the tech specs are here if anybody is interested.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Nov 19, 2017 17:55:54 GMT
The Argentinian navy has been in a terrible state for a long time now. Successive governments have starved the military of money, to the point where ships are barely functional, the air force has completely given up on owning any fast jets, etc. Such a scenario is a bad place to be if you're running submarines. Submarines are not forgiving environments for cost cutting and a lack of training. At best, this boat has lost power and surfaced. If so it's drifting around somewhere and will be found, sooner or later. At worst... it's at the bottom of the Atlantic. Oh, and the tech specs are here if anybody is interested. Thanks. I found out a little while ago that my country also has a sub named the San Juan. Considering the unforgiving environment, submarine losses due to accidents rather than war seem to be rather low in the navies that operate them. The US Navy probably doesn't shout it out proudly, but they've lost a few. The last one was in the 1960's however.
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Post by maya55555 on Nov 19, 2017 18:49:15 GMT
Hey, I had my Honda blessed. The idea is to keep the driver safe.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2017 19:47:20 GMT
The Argentinian navy has been in a terrible state for a long time now. Successive governments have starved the military of money, to the point where ships are barely functional, the air force has completely given up on owning any fast jets, etc. Such a scenario is a bad place to be if you're running submarines. Submarines are not forgiving environments for cost cutting and a lack of training. At best, this boat has lost power and surfaced. If so it's drifting around somewhere and will be found, sooner or later. At worst... it's at the bottom of the Atlantic. Oh, and the tech specs are here if anybody is interested. Thanks. I found out a little while ago that my country also has a sub named the San Juan. Yes, the USS San Juan is a rather more modern boat. Interestingly enough, in 2007 it was thought that she was lost in much the same way that the Argentinian San Juan might be after a red flare was seen in her vicinity. Turned out she was fine, and reported as normal the next morning. The same boat also collided with another submarine back in 98. No injuries, thankfully, but seems like the name is kind of an unlucky one for subs. The western powers in general do pretty well with sub accidents since World War II. The US Navy seems the worst with two total losses, but that's most likely because they have a much bigger navy than anybody else so see more of the accidents.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Nov 19, 2017 20:04:53 GMT
Thanks. I found out a little while ago that my country also has a sub named the San Juan. Yes, the USS San Juan is a rather more modern boat. Interestingly enough, in 2007 it was thought that she was lost in much the same way that the Argentinian San Juan might be after a red flare was seen in her vicinity. Turned out she was fine, and reported as normal the next morning. The same boat also collided with another submarine back in 98. No injuries, thankfully, but seems like the name is kind of an unlucky one for subs. The western powers in general do pretty well with sub accidents since World War II. The US Navy seems the worst with two total losses, but that's most likely because they have a much bigger navy than anybody else so see more of the accidents. I read that the first US Navy submarines (the Hollands, or "A" class) had a bad habit of diving to the bottom without alerting their crews. The British and Japanese used them too. Sad about the Argentine Navy. I've heard for years that they've had maintenance problems. Francis is from Argentina if I remember correctly, so this must hit him close to home. Or........to my conspiracy theorist mind........this boat could be on a highly secret mission, and as a cover it is presumed lost at sea. It's possible.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2017 20:10:51 GMT
Sad about the Argentine Navy. I've heard for years that they've had maintenance problems. Well, not to be an ass about it in this potentially sad time, but you may understand why, as a British person, I would rather that Argentina did not have an effective military. Subs do a lot of highly classified work, but if it's up to that then drawing the world's attention to the sub would be the very last thing you would do, right?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Nov 19, 2017 20:14:26 GMT
Sad about the Argentine Navy. I've heard for years that they've had maintenance problems. Well, not to be an ass about it in this potentially sad time, but you may understand why, as a British person, I would rather that Argentina did not have an effective military. Subs do a lot of highly classified work, but if it's up to that then drawing the world's attention to the sub would be the very last thing you would do, right? Yes on your first question. On your second question, not sure. A sub that it written off as lost might be able to operate with a great deal more freedom.
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Post by progressiveelement on Nov 19, 2017 21:14:40 GMT
Well, not to be an ass about it in this potentially sad time, but you may understand why, as a British person, I would rather that Argentina did not have an effective military. Subs do a lot of highly classified work, but if it's up to that then drawing the world's attention to the sub would be the very last thing you would do, right? Yes on your first question. On your second question, not sure. A sub that it written off as lost might be able to operate with a great deal more freedom. But as a diesel/electric submarine it cannot stay submerged as long as a nuclear-powered vessel, and will have to snorkel to recharge, often switching over to the diesels which are much noisier. A nuclear powered vessel can stay under as long as feasible for the crew.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Nov 19, 2017 21:24:30 GMT
Yes on your first question. On your second question, not sure. A sub that it written off as lost might be able to operate with a great deal more freedom. But as a diesel/electric submarine it cannot stay submerged as long as a nuclear-powered vessel, and will have to snorkel to recharge, often switching over to the diesels which are much noisier. A nuclear powered vessel can stay under as long as feasible for the crew. No kidding. Diesel-electric used to be the only kind they had, but they did all right with arranged refueling points at sea. In my opinion, the new air-independent propulsion systems make the nuclear submarine obsolete. I always liked diesel-electric subs better anyway. They're cheaper and quieter. Feasible for the crew is about three weeks to a month, even with a nuclear boat.
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Post by politicidal on Nov 20, 2017 0:35:10 GMT
Surprised CNN isn't covering this with "black hole" speculation.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 1:11:41 GMT
Well, not to be an ass about it in this potentially sad time, but you may understand why, as a British person, I would rather that Argentina did not have an effective military. Subs do a lot of highly classified work, but if it's up to that then drawing the world's attention to the sub would be the very last thing you would do, right? Yes on your first question. On your second question, not sure. A sub that it written off as lost might be able to operate with a great deal more freedom. Not really. Drawing massive worldwide public attention onto a submarine would only ever decrease its freedom of action, not increase it.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Nov 20, 2017 1:16:23 GMT
Yes on your first question. On your second question, not sure. A sub that it written off as lost might be able to operate with a great deal more freedom. Not really. Drawing massive worldwide public attention onto a submarine would only ever decrease its freedom of action, not increase it. Only if the submarine turned up later to be alive, like Elvis Presley's freedom of action would be decreased if he ever turned up alive.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 1:23:10 GMT
Not really. Drawing massive worldwide public attention onto a submarine would only ever decrease its freedom of action, not increase it. Only if the submarine turned up later to be alive, like Elvis Presley's freedom of action would be decreased if he ever turned up alive. No, pretty much in any case. Right now a lot of people are looking for that submarine that otherwise would not be. That is not good for it if it's off trying to do something secret.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Nov 20, 2017 1:30:14 GMT
Only if the submarine turned up later to be alive, like Elvis Presley's freedom of action would be decreased if he ever turned up alive. No, pretty much in any case. Right now a lot of people are looking for that submarine that otherwise would not be. That is not good for it if it's off trying to do something secret. You seem to be thinking only in the present tense, which is not surprising, as the "intellect" of the anti-theist mind suffers from numerous self-imposed limits.
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Post by progressiveelement on Nov 20, 2017 1:31:21 GMT
But as a diesel/electric submarine it cannot stay submerged as long as a nuclear-powered vessel, and will have to snorkel to recharge, often switching over to the diesels which are much noisier. A nuclear powered vessel can stay under as long as feasible for the crew. No kidding. Diesel-electric used to be the only kind they had, but they did all right with arranged refueling points at sea. In my opinion, the new air-independent propulsion systems make the nuclear submarine obsolete. I always liked diesel-electric subs better anyway. They're cheaper and quieter. Feasible for the crew is about three weeks to a month, even with a nuclear boat. Try over 3 and a half months, the official longest unsupported submerged patrol by a submarine, performed by the nuclear-powered HMS Warspite, and that one's an oldie, only Britain's third nuclear-powered sub to enter service. Despite one collision with a Russian warship, and reactor faults that put it out of commission in 1991, it holds the official submerged record. Which means they're capable of operating a lot longer.... The US sure as hell isn't going to tell how long an Ohio stays out. 👍
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